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Oh, Honkaibros, it's that time of the year again, I guess. (It's been 1 week)
The topic for today is Honkai's infamous Immeasurable Speed rating. (Yes, the one that never gets used cuz of speed equalization)
So I gracefully went over all justifications I could find for the speed one-by-one, and functionally laid out why none of them work.
Exhibit A:
Imaginary Space
This one should hopefully be the simplest and shortest one. So, going of of Kiana's profile, there's this justification:
Obviously, this is null. VSBW is pretty explicit on the fact that a realm making you capable of moving backwards in time isn't actually applicable for speed, as it wouldn't be a feat a character is actually capable of doing.
So, going a bit deeper, the justification is exemplified more in a Garrixian (yikes) thread:
vsbattles.com
Which, um. How did this ever get accepted? I mean, traveling backwards in time is only a property of Imaginary things, so once the lance is reflected into Real Space, it's explicitly already bound by linear time. This is functionally the same as just manifesting something out of thin air. So what Himeko is dodging here are just things being manifested out of nowhere, with both the one dodging (Himeko) and the one being dodged (the lance) both moving in Real Time at this moment. There's no like, moving faster than linear time here; none of that even remotely necessitates it.
Like literally at the absolute best this might some weird form of infinite speed if we're being generous. But obviously the clips shown clearly make the lances appear elsewhere before striking Himeko, so I'm not even sure if that's coherent.
And I find this scan particularly funny, as well:
It's literally indexed somewhere else in the profile, as well:
I have nothing else to say. The problems should all be immensely clear to anyone who read this section.
I mean, hell, they even list the feat itself as an ability Cyrene has:
If you want exact context on this ability, I'd recommend just watching this entire section over here:
Obviously though, I'll still summarize it:
This should just be changed to Time/Causality Manip. That's all.
And as for Terminus... first of all, it's not comparable to it at all. Going backwards in time is literally the defining feature of the Finality. No Aeon can do what Terminus does. And secondly, it's once again Time Manipulation:
Basically, once Terminus ascends in the future, it splits up into a bunch of cats who have his power and they time travel. It's just time manipulation again. Like:
It's never been more over, bro.
Anyways, I won't stretch this beyond what's needed; these 4 are the main reasonings I've seen for Immeasurable. If there are any that I have missed, please do share them below.
Where everyone scales to:
(Mod) Votes:
@Emirp sumitpo (Agree)
@Vietthai96 (Agree)
The topic for today is Honkai's infamous Immeasurable Speed rating. (Yes, the one that never gets used cuz of speed equalization)
So I gracefully went over all justifications I could find for the speed one-by-one, and functionally laid out why none of them work.
Exhibit A:
Imaginary Space
Obviously, this is null. VSBW is pretty explicit on the fact that a realm making you capable of moving backwards in time isn't actually applicable for speed, as it wouldn't be a feat a character is actually capable of doing.
So, going a bit deeper, the justification is exemplified more in a Garrixian (yikes) thread:
Honkai Speed Revision 2
Continuation of this CRT, in which the core premise is present: https://vsbattles.com/threads/honkai-speed-revision.169599/ The previous CRT was rejected on the basis that the characters had to rely on a property of the Imaginary Space to travel through time like a spatial dimension. However...
Which, um. How did this ever get accepted? I mean, traveling backwards in time is only a property of Imaginary things, so once the lance is reflected into Real Space, it's explicitly already bound by linear time. This is functionally the same as just manifesting something out of thin air. So what Himeko is dodging here are just things being manifested out of nowhere, with both the one dodging (Himeko) and the one being dodged (the lance) both moving in Real Time at this moment. There's no like, moving faster than linear time here; none of that even remotely necessitates it.
Like literally at the absolute best this might some weird form of infinite speed if we're being generous. But obviously the clips shown clearly make the lances appear elsewhere before striking Himeko, so I'm not even sure if that's coherent.
Exhibit B:
Lygus
Read the following:Lygus
The proof here is... that he can process two timelines simultaneously...? Which part of this even remotely implies that Lygus is 'moving through time like he would move through space'? Ya know, Immeasurable Speed is doing what one can do in Imaginary Space, but physically out of sheer speed. And like, Lygus' mind isn't even "moving backwards in time" or something stupid like that; it's explicitly bound by the linear flow of time--he just perceives the flow of time differently in two perspectives. That's it.
And I find this scan particularly funny, as well:
This genuinely got me when I read it for the first time because do ya'll wanna know what this is referring to lol?
It's literally indexed somewhere else in the profile, as well:
Yes. The "thought fragments across time" are just Lygus' clones lmao. The justification literally took the flowery statement of:
...as Lygus having an omnitemporal mind.
I have nothing else to say. The problems should all be immensely clear to anyone who read this section.
Exhibit C:
Cyrene
The problem for this:Cyrene
Is that it's literally just time travel.
I mean, hell, they even list the feat itself as an ability Cyrene has:
Like, she explicitly has Causality manipulation; they just index it as speed for some reason when it's clearly not that.
If you want exact context on this ability, I'd recommend just watching this entire section over here:
Obviously though, I'll still summarize it:
- Essentially what's going on with Fuli, is that it is an entity that is born in the future, and it's existence in the present time of Star Rail is it essentially projecting it's memory into the past. And Cyrene, as the closest being to Fuli, and one who has the potential of becoming Fuli at the end of the universe, shares all these abilities, just in a more limited manner. Which is what she uses to enclose Amphoreus in a causal loop (ya know, the world made out memory itself).
This should just be changed to Time/Causality Manip. That's all.
Exhibit D:
Aeons
I guess I'll js take the aforementioned Fuli's description for speed:Aeons
Do I even have to elaborate on the first part? Aspatiotemporality is just... explicitly not a qualifier for speed unless it's 1-A.
And as for Terminus... first of all, it's not comparable to it at all. Going backwards in time is literally the defining feature of the Finality. No Aeon can do what Terminus does. And secondly, it's once again Time Manipulation:
Basically, once Terminus ascends in the future, it splits up into a bunch of cats who have his power and they time travel. It's just time manipulation again. Like:
It's never been more over, bro.
Anyways, I won't stretch this beyond what's needed; these 4 are the main reasonings I've seen for Immeasurable. If there are any that I have missed, please do share them below.
Where everyone scales to:
- Nigh-Aeons are Infinite through Irontomb nuking cosmos
- Everyone Welt and above is MFTL+ through Scepter
- Seele is Sub-Rel
- Anyone below that is Supersonic through Bronya dodging bullet
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(Mod) Votes:
@Emirp sumitpo (Agree)
@Vietthai96 (Agree)
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