A Saiyan faces a Demon: Son Gohan (DBZ) vs. Derieri (NNT)

[Makai641001]

why? he highkey skill diffs her and that is a valid wincon.

He doesn’t FRA

he is a far better flying fighter and has access to teleportation techniques.

That’s a trash win con

That's fine, Soul Destruction resistance is at a basic level. Gohan is a Master.

« Master ki » is not a layer stop wanking

Dragonball Ki aura do the same thing they induce fear onto weaker opponents such as Derieri.

Fun fact Derrieri is stronger lol she also resists Fear hax on a HRD lvl

While Gohan does not resist even the base layer.

LMAO it's mid level Regen
Ki leaves worse damage.
A charged ki blast is evaporating her.

Kamehameha and similar charged attacks only scale 2x above her durability (Which is a lowballed value)

Gohan almost always start with H2H combat

She has better AP in base
Stomped people that outskill Gohan
Has multiple million times his LS
He has nothing against her poison, corrosion, mind manip, regen, fear hax.

 

[Curses0z]

Derieri FRA

 

[Fallen_Angelicx]

Stomped people that outskill Gohan

I've never seen anyone say NNT outskills DB ngl, that's a first. Anyway how are my DB fans doing knowing their verse has the worst AP to LS comparison in fiction

 

[Supersonicmaker]

I've never seen anyone say NNT outskills DB ngl, that's a first. Anyway how are my DB fans doing knowing their verse has the worst AP to LS comparison in fiction

not very well

 

[Makai641001]

I've never seen anyone say NNT outskills DB ngl, that's a first.

Meliodas does outskill Gohan and DB is massively overrated skillwise.

Derieri FRA

With this and Arkenis ig we enter grace

 

[Bossbrosish]

Meliodas does outskill Gohan and DB is massively overrated skillwise.


With this and Arkenis ig we enter grace

Since we hit Grace, any potential votes I may have missed?

 

[Mgebrat282]

Yeah show me Gohan doing so

Why? He has even better Ki manipulation then those who did that and we don't have proofs for that he can't do it.

Courage is not Resistance to fear manip

Courage (also called bravery, valour (British and Commonwealth English), or valor (American English)) is the choice and willingness to confront agony, pain, danger, uncertainty, or intimidation. Valor is courage or bravery, especially in battle.

It has effects on reality

It was never stated he affected reality, otherwise show me

Derrieri was equal to Meliodas while Gohan was stomping cell

He was fighting equaly with him without anger boost and ss2

Yeah sure tell that to goku

Goku can beat cancer

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Gohan has no way to overcome her layered Mind Manipulation and Fear Manipulation, so if it is passive –which seems to, given the discussion above– he loses.

So, assuming this is not a stomp, I vote Derieri FRA.

Also, since when does Gohan have teleportation, lol?

 

[Arkenis]

Layered bs, greater ap, greater LS, apparently more skilled, greater regen, regen neg as well. What is this match?? Find that naked woman a real match, not some easy sweep.

 

[MannyQ361]

Maybe Super Buu would've fared better.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Maybe Super Buu would've fared better.

Maybe, he would've, but I honestly think it would've been the same result. Especially since demons have mid-high regen negation (but that's with hellfire, which Derieri hasn't been shown to use, but likely can)

 

[Mgebrat282]

Gohan has no way to overcome her layered Mind Manipulation and Fear Manipulation, so if it is passive –which seems to, given the discussion above– he loses.

She doesn't has mind hax and fear hax can be negated by courage.

Also, since when does Gohan have teleportation, lol?

What?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

She doesn't has mind hax

Demon Clan Physiology (Nanatsu no Taizai)

The Demon Clan is one of the five major races in the world of Nanatsu no Taizai. According to the Lady of the Lake, the Demon Clan and their realm were created by the Demon King, after he was created by Chaos, alongside the Supreme Deity and the Sacred Tree. 3,000 years ago, the Demon Clan...

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First thing that pops up for upper demons is this

• Layered Mind Manipulation [2 layer] (Fairies like King that resists the atmosphere of Fairy realm on top of no selling normal demons miasma are affected by high ranking demons miasma)

and fear hax can be negated by courage.

Layered fear hax needs a bit more than just willpower to deal with

the whole point of it being layered is to say that characters who are normally resistant to fear hax can still get haxed.

 

[Arkenis]

Layered fear hax needs a bit more than just willpower to deal with

the whole point of it being layered is to say that characters who are normally resistant to fear hax can still get haxed.

Me when a random kid isn't afraid of the eldritch horror, higher dimensional entity that is Pennywise, but nope layered fear hax gg (the character is just scarier bro). Now people have layered courage/willpower lmao

 

[Mgebrat282]

Layered bs, greater ap, greater LS, apparently more skilled, greater regen, regen neg as well. What is this match?? Find that naked woman a real match, not some easy sweep.

Greater bs...(Gohan with several times more powerful than her kamehameha), Regeneration that gets weaker with damage...More skilled

 

[Mgebrat282]

Me when a random kid isn't afraid of the eldritch horror, higher dimensional entity that is Pennywise, but nope layered fear hax gg (the character is just scarier bro). Now people have layered courage/willpower lmao

So called "layers" don't matter because they are not showing the real power of mind control behind them(by that logic the Onslaught from Marvel is weaker in mind hax than her when in reality he enslaves the entire verse with mind control only, espesially when that "mind hax" of sins can be countered by courage or will power). Also Gohan fighted with this kind of horrors, so he won't be affraid.

 

[Arkenis]

Greater bs...(Gohan with several times more powerful than her kamehameha),

Apparently its just 2x?

Regeneration that gets weaker with damage.

Apparently she's just more durable.

More skilled

That's what they're saying.

So called "layers" don't matter because they are not showing the real power of mind control behind them(by that logic the Onslaught from Marvel is weaker in mind hax than her when in reality he enslaves the entire verse with mind control only, espesially when that "mind hax" of sins can be countered by courage or will power). Also Gohan fighted with this kind of horrors, so he won't be affraid.

Yeah but layers bro.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Guys, this is not reddit.

Right now, Derieri has layered Mind Manipulation and Fear Manipulation accepted on her profile, so a character who does not have resistance to layered Mind and Fear Manipulation on his profile gets affected.

If you don't believe layered Fear Manipulation is valid (tbh I must agree layered Fear Manip is a bit sus, but anyway), then go make a CRT to debate the arguments used for it and why they don't work. Then, once that CRT is accepted, the wincon of Derieri would be nuked an another discussion might be had.

Right now, for what 7DS supporters have said, Demon's miasma is passive and deteriorates the mind strong enough that even those with resistance do not have much time before dying for the effects. So, unless that information is wrong, Gohan dies without using neither a Kamehameha, his fighting skill, nor whatever you are saying he's gonna use to win.

So, this is a stomp. No amount of skill nor AP will save Gohan from a 2 layers mind manipulation affecting his mind –even if Fear Manipulation were invalid–. And, afaik, there is no character from canon DBZ with resistance to layered mind manipulation, so I doubt Gohan can be changed to another character to make things more fair. Maybe in games there are some 4-B demons with said resistance, but pretty sure they have too much hax for Derieri

 

[Arkenis]

If you don't believe layered Fear Manipulation is valid (tbh I must agree layered Fear Manip is a bit sus, but anyway), then go make a CRT to debate the arguments used for it and why they don't work. Then, once that CRT is accepted, the wincon of Derieri would be nuked an another discussion might be had.

I already gave my opinion on layered fear months ago for SDS, idk why fear hax is layered but that's the sites rules, a crt won't stop much.

So, this is a stomp.

Yeah that's all that matters here, the match shouldn't be added.

If the OP is active please remove my vote.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Oh yeah that reminds me

I don’t think it’s a stomp but Gohan has very low chances to pull this off

If I may ask why is this not a stomp?

 

[Mgebrat282]

Guys, this is not reddit.

Right now, Derieri has layered Mind Manipulation and Fear Manipulation accepted on her profile, so a character who does not have resistance to layered Mind and Fear Manipulation on his profile gets affected.

I already explained why layered thing isn't working

If you don't believe layered Fear Manipulation is valid (tbh I must agree layered Fear Manip is a bit sus, but anyway), then go make a CRT to debate the arguments used for it and why they don't work. Then, once that CRT is accepted, the wincon of Derieri would be nuked an another discussion might be had.

I agree, I should make it, but for this I need preparations and support(which I know don't have) to make it accepted cuz for this kind of topics(important or that massively affects popular verse with years on vsbw) for no names it's 100% wouldn't be accepted

 

[Bossbrosish]

I already gave my opinion on layered fear months ago for SDS, idk why fear hax is layered but that's the sites rules, a crt won't stop much.


Yeah that's all that matters here, the match shouldn't be added.

If the OP is active please remove my vote.

If it's a stomp I'll just have this be closed then