TenSura WN Revision — Back to Tier 1 (Recreated)

[Lycoris4812]

The main translator for Tensura web novel. Astral used it pretty much the whole time in OP

Well, it sayings worlds time line is mute anyway, astral already got it translated. As said in OP.

 

[TheHyperGuy]

Well, it sayings worlds time line is mute anyway, astral already got it translated. As said in OP.

Im not arguing against the translation, but the meaning of it.

 

[Lycoris4812]

Im not arguing against the translation, but the meaning of it.

People die when they are killed ah.

 

[RoninSlayer200]

what a useless yap

What a useless comment that has no meaning beyond insulting the guy who is just disagreeing with the thread (which isn't a crime nor a 'yap') and derailing the thread.

 

[CelestialVortex01]

Hyper's arguments are from useless.

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I agree with this

 

[Nonynho]

what a useless yap

This is not the way to prove the guy's wrong or a way to help in any way, **** off with this attitude

 

[Ultimuru]

Regarding the "time is infinite" statement, this isn't really referring to the space-time for the current world at play. This is actually just referring to Velda's ability to go through an eternity of time by resurrecting and dwelling within other people's soul, which lastly he ended up in Yuuki's soul.

Literally nothing in your long quote supports your stance.

When it came to "time is infinite" quote, this can simply be referring to his ability to wander through all these worlds outside the one they currently are, so when it speaks of time being infinite, this is just him eternally transitioning through these worlds until he finds all the fragments of Lucia's soul in order to put her back together, NOT regarding the actual space-time being infinite time.

Sounds like headcanon you are trying to force here

This can also be interpreted as such via Setto's reply here

Setto literally confirms that time is infinite

Now referring to this, this has never been the case of Rimuru exiting All of time.

Not only was it repeatedly stated to be the "End" of time on various lines, but following this "all time" statement, was this;

The end of time and space is always used in quotes and what narration and Ciel confirms is it being beyond time and space. Rimuru was sent to the future of hypertimeline and from this place Ciel witnessed the end of the world.

So if Turn null accumulated energy during the time rimuru was sent to the "end of the universe" which is also the same place as the "end of time and space" which is also the "far off future" then all of this would be provably the same. If Rimuru was sent through infinite time, there should be no reason there is a limit to what rimuru can recreate using turn null. Since if an infinite amount of time passes, especially if he's sent beyond infinite time, then he should at least have an infinite amount of energy which can make an infinite amount of worlds.

Creating infinite sized world would require infinite amount of energy. And we know that world is infinite in size as it contains infinite imaginary space. The fact that Rimuru can make more than one world already proves he do have an infinite amount of energy and beyond that.

So terms like "beyond time" are not exactly what it means literally, since there are multiple instances of the place that rimuru was sent to, still being within time itself just at the "End" of time.

I love your "It don't fit my interpretation so this part we don't take literally.". The end of time and space is just a name for this place. Its actual location is beyond time which is confirmed at least twice in your own quotes.

When it comes to Yuuki's lifespan, I still think the damning contradictory event of his lifespan ending naturally, is still a problem within the narrative. Since you didn't showcase that Yuuki has an infinite lifespan, just that it isn't of concern for him, which could in fact allude to the idea that he DOES have an infinite lifespan.

Hell nah. Yuuki is the spiritual lifeform and spiritual lifeforms are stated directly to have eternal youth and immortality.

Considering my first section discredits number 4, I will leave that out for obvious reason.

So the question is whether or not this same concept applies to every spirit life-form. Well if it did, where are they?

You yourself states your interpretation as a fact and then basing on this "fact" you are creating plot holes for immortality. Nice manipulation. Everyone died because the spacetime itself had ended. The infinite time of standard timeline has came to an end and the only time that existed was higher time of hypertimeline. They were not sent to the higher time like Rimuru to survive this.

This clearly showcases that none of these supposed "infinite lifespan" beings, are within the "end of time and space" which is simply the "distant future". So wouldn't this contradict any "infinite" lifespan and instead support that the "infinite" part is hyperbole and simply suggesting an extensively long life?

No. Because it's the distant future of hypertimeline.

But what if we conclude that Yuuki DID in fact destroy the space-time. If Yuuki did do so, he would've destroyed the space-time that his life was processed through in the timeline. If he managed to survive that, then that showcases a contradiction in trying to make time infinite via his lifespan since he exists after the collapse of the space-time. Since he must be able to exist outside the space-time, then his lifespan ending is still a clear sign that it cannot be infinite since this supposed "hypertimeline" would then exist allowing his lifespan to continue, since he hasn't gone through infinite time yet.

If yuuki died when the space-time ceased, that would still debunk infinite time using Yuuki's life since the space-time didn't go through the entire timeline but was cut short due to yuuki destroying it.

Either case ends in the same result, the contradiction that discredits Yuuki's lifespan being used to justify that the timeline is infinite.

Already addressed in OP.

Question: Does Yuuki destroying the continuum or not even matter?
Answer: No. No, whether Yuuki destroyed the Continuum or not does not matter, as Rimuru's still outside the continuum regardless while experiencing hyper time.

Question: How plausible is it that he destroyed the Continuum?
Answer: Very plausible. Yuuki could use the energy he had absorbed from others' combined attack (which scales to the hypertimeline "world") to destroy everything. The only problem is his lifespan, which is only immortal in the 4D sense (yes, higher degree of immortality type 1 is a thing based on temporal dimensions).

 

[Reiner04]

All this says is Chloe succeeded in moving THE world-line.

This is essentially referring to the world-lines in Steins:Gate, clearly as the link is to steins gate. The issue with trying to imply that she goes to other word lines, presupposes those world-lines are outside of the space-time she is currently within, which is not the case. It's is abundantly clear that it takes heavy inspiration from steins gate which would mean that it is 1 space-time with multiple possible histories.

This is all regarding the same universe/space-time and nothing about it implies different space-times. This would mean, that the "World-line" that is active is contained within the same space-time, meaning there is not hypertimeline needed since it can function within a singular timeline, just switching out which one is active, but in Chloe's case, reverting back to the past and entering a new history.

And since in steins gate, other world-lines do no physically exist until they are move to the main world-line, this should also be attributed to Tensura since Fuse is taking heavy inspiration from it, and there's nothing to contradict that being the case. So world line would just refer to the time-line, like it can be translated as such;

Spoiler: Gura Translation Chapter 125

Author’s Note
Explanation time. I wrote it and was confused.
I notice that the consistency was sketchy and I couldn’t write freely when I began to think about the concept of time.
Though it almost got mixed up several times, but is it alright?
I pray that there will be no fatal mistakes found in there.
This time Chloe succeeded in moving the world’s time-line!
Isn’t the world’s time-line volatility change by about 1%?
By the way, she acquired Reading Steiner too this time!

I fail to see any reason to conclude a hypertimeline is required to make that make sense.

I think I covered everything, and I will not be arguing further since I'd rather not clog up this CRT with useless debates, so I'll only respond to things that directly contradict the evidence I put forward.

This makes sense to me. On a side note, I am not sure how Yuuki’s lifespan (whether infinite or not) contributes anything to the Hypertimeline argument. Rimuru is at the End of Time and Space, where the universe has reached its natural death, time is frozen, and no further events or extensions of the timeline exist. Yuuki naturally would die along with time and the universe even if she has infinite time.

 

[Ultimuru]

This makes sense to me. On a side note, I am not sure how Yuuki’s lifespan (whether infinite or not) contributes anything to the Hypertimeline argument. Rimuru is at the End of Time and Space, where the universe has reached its natural death, time is frozen, and no further events or extensions of the timeline exist. Yuuki naturally would die along with time and the universe even if she has infinite time.

Hope you'll go to the store to buy ketchup and they'll have only mustard.

 

[Noobish2006]

"end of space and time which is just the distant future" what?

 

[PizzaDante67]

"end of space and time which is just the distant future" what?

Its like saying that i‘ve reached the end of the road while clearly having several miles of street ahead of me.

 

[Random-Helper323]

Let's try to keep things more civil, okay? I understand these discussions can be frustrating, but let's try to keep it as calm as we can.

 

[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

This makes sense to me. On a side note, I am not sure how Yuuki’s lifespan (whether infinite or not) contributes anything to the Hypertimeline argument. Rimuru is at the End of Time and Space, where the universe has reached its natural death, time is frozen, and no further events or extensions of the timeline exist. Yuuki naturally would die along with time and the universe even if she has infinite time.

Yuuki's lifespan is nearly irrelevant here. The universe ended, all time stopped; however, Rimuru is still there, continuing to talk and think.
If time(4-D) really came to an end, then one cannot think nor decide anything anymore unless you are on a different kind of time, that is. That 'other' kind of time is what people call the hypertimeline; proof that Rimuru was on it would be his conscious state after the end.

 

[Reiner04]

If time(4-D) really came to an end, then one cannot think nor decide anything anymor

Those kinds of arguments might hold weight in discussion of irl events, but fiction operates differently. Characters can talk, move, and exist even within a void, they can remain stable while traveling through dimensions or at the speed of light, and they function normally in dimensions where even time flows differently, many times. I can bet everyone here knows atleast 3-4 such verses. And we are talking about Rimuru here at that, not just any ordinary character. He might can get some abilities out of it tho, incase he don't have them.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

Yeah honestly I agree wirh Reiner here. It's a weird argument.

 

[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

Those kinds of arguments might hold weight in discussion of irl events, but fiction operates differently. Characters can talk, move, and exist even within a void, they can remain stable while traveling through dimensions or at the speed of light, and they function normally in dimensions where even time flows differently, many times. I can bet everyone here knows atleast 3-4 such verses. And we are talking about Rimuru here at that, not just any ordinary character. He might can get some abilities out of it tho, incase he don't have them.

Of course, fiction doesn’t worry about physics. However, the difference between waving it away and the explicit transcendence of those laws is quite clear here. Having the characters exist in the void is waving it away, while the narrative going, ‘time has ended’ and rimuru remains conscious is the text deciding his existence is at an entirely different level from this system.

 

[DrunkMan04]

Those kinds of arguments might hold weight in discussion of irl events, but fiction operates differently. Characters can talk, move, and exist even within a void, they can remain stable while traveling through dimensions or at the speed of light, and they function normally in dimensions where even time flows differently, many times. I can bet everyone here knows atleast 3-4 such verses. And we are talking about Rimuru here at that, not just any ordinary character. He might can get some abilities out of it tho, incase he don't have them.

That doesn't change anything tho? If rimuru can time travel to the past of the already destroyed timeline or space time, that still hypertimeline.

I am not sure how Yuuki’s lifespan (whether infinite or not) contributes anything to the Hypertimeline argument. Rimuru is at the End of Time and Space, where the universe has reached its natural death, time is frozen, and no further events or extensions of the timeline exist. Yuuki naturally would die along with time and the universe even if she has infinite time.

You agreed with hyperguy except the infinite lifespan, meaning you accept that the timeline or space time is not destroyed, but now you're saying this, I think you're contradicting yourself here.

 

[ExcelsisBerny]

If rimuru can time travel to the past of the already destroyed timeline or space time, that still hypertimeline.

Let me see if I understand this correctly. Rimuru was sent to a place where time had completely ceased to exist, and even so he was able to rewind time using an ability?

 

[DrunkMan04]

Let me see if I understand this correctly. Rimuru was sent to a place where time had completely ceased to exist, and even so he was able to rewind time using an ability?

Correct its in the op

 

[Robo432343]

Let me see if I understand this correctly. Rimuru was sent to a place where time had completely ceased to exist, and even so he was able to rewind time using an ability?

yes

《Yes. In this world, the flow of time has stopped. The spread of space had ceased as well, and in accordance with the Law of Entropy, this world has arrived at nothingness.》

Has arrived? You are talking as if you have watched it?

《That’s right. We were hurled to beyond space and time due to Yuuki’s attack. The lifespan of the planet has already ended a long time ago, but the collapse of the world hasn’t yet been reached. From that I deduced, Yuuki probably couldn’t destroy the world itself yet. When he was at the phase where he destroyed the celestial bodies as well as the space-time continuum, I presume that Yuuki’s lifespan had come to an end. However, I can’t judge whether his wish was fulfilled or not. After that, we wandered around as we drifted in the space and I witnessed the end of this universe.》
Chapter 248

 

[Reiner04]

That doesn't change anything tho? If rimuru can time travel to the past of the already destroyed timeline or space time, that still hypertimeline.

I don’t quite understand what you mean here or maybe i misunderstood something. Rimuru travelled to the past of a timeline that has already been destroyed? I thought the OP's arguements is independent of whether or not the timeline was destroyed in the first place.

You agreed with hyperguy except the infinite lifespan, meaning you accept that the timeline or space time is not destroyed, but now you're saying this, I think you're contradicting yourself here.

And then this part.

meaning you accept that the timeline or space time is not destroyed
I think you're contradicting yourself here.

What?

 

[Lycoris4812]

Can people stop arguing? Especially when you don't know the arguments.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

That doesn't change anything tho? If rimuru can time travel to the past of the already destroyed timeline or space time, that still hypertimeline.

Being able to time-travel or rewind an entire timeline's destruction doesn't prove an infinite hypertimeline
At best, it just proves a single snapshot of it happening, which is the time travel itself by moving from the snapshot before the timeline is destroyed

That's not sufficient for a hypertimeline with a higher-dimensional rating and would need more to prove its significant size

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

sigh
And of course the worst arguments come, half the long yap the same as the last thread
Imma address the relevant parts in a bit.
However:

Let me see if I understand this correctly. Rimuru was sent to a place where time had completely ceased to exist, and even so he was able to rewind time using an ability?

He was sent to a place where the future (and past) doesn't exist, yet still returned, which the author treated as a double exception.

[一言]
リルムを未来に吹っ飛ばしたから最低でもそこまで世界が存続するのが確定するのでは
クロエの能力で過去に精霊を送った時
確定し確認された過去を変更する事は出来ないのだから
そこでリルムが世界を見て存続を確認したらそこまでは壊れないという理屈になるはず
投稿者： フレーム
2014年 07月06日 22時55分
管理
　いや、到達する未来がなくなっているという風に考えていました。
　崩壊した世界で生き残れる存在なんていないよね、というのがユウキの計算。

　確認した情報は崩せないのですが、今回は二重の意味で無視してます。
伏瀬
2014年 07月06日 23時04分

There is another argument, that the ability he got form Mai allows him to transcend all "possible" time and space, so I'll that in my next post.

I don’t quite understand what you mean here or maybe i misunderstood something. Rimuru travelled to the past of a timeline that has already been destroyed? I thought the OP's arguements is independent of whether or not the timeline was destroyed in the first place.

Yes. It is based on "there exists time overarching 5-D insignificant space (thus orthogonal in direction at least, flowing outside All-Time/Continuum).

This was highlighted in red in the OP for a reason

Question: Does Yuuki destroying the continuum or not even matter?
Answer: No. No, whether Yuuki destroyed the Continuum or not does not matter, as Rimuru's still outside the continuum regardless while experiencing hyper time.

• Yuuki: Low 2-C Destructive Capacity (Overtime), Low 1-C (5-D) Attack Potency
  • There is a non-zero chance that Yuuki destroying the continuum, even over time, is considered not solid enough, so one may opt for a "possibilty Low 2-C destructive Capacity" instead. Note that this doesn't effect the 5D attack Potency ratings and 5D in general for Rimuru in any way.

 

[Da3ggman]

“3rd times the charm” ahh thread

 

[Humanitus_Primevilus888]

Let me see if I understand this correctly. Rimuru was sent to a place where time had completely ceased to exist, and even so he was able to rewind time using an ability?

Rather than following yuuki’s lifespan, we focus on Rimuru’s, as Lifespans = time and Rimuru lifespan surpass time(4-D) and time there is infinite, making Rimuru’s Lifespan a type of higher infinity

 

[Reiner04]

Yes. It is based on "there exists time overarching 5-D insignificant space (thus orthogonal in direction at least, flowing outside All-Time/Continuum).

This was highlighted in red in the OP for a reason

Saw "No" went to re-read entire OP and pondering over and wtfing myself for 10 minutes just to refresh and see a edited yes

 

[Mbpoops]

He was sent to a place where the future (and past) doesn't exist, yet still returned, which the author treated as a double exception.

This just sounds like another dimension to me but i could just be oversimplifying it

 

[Cipher72]

This just sounds like another dimension to me but i could just be oversimplifying it

I mean I think Astral's argument makes more sense.
If someone gets sent beyond space & time where space and time has ended and infinite time has passed yet they manage to time warp/travel back to the original time that's one of the best ways to describe a Hypertimeline no ?
I don't see how this could be another dimension ?

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Saw "No" went to re-read entire OP and pondering over and wtfing myself for 10 minutes just to refresh and see a edited yes

I just woke up for prayer time and saw this. My brain didn't load the word "independent"

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Regarding the "time is infinite" statement, this isn't really referring to the space-time for the current world at play. This is actually just referring to Velda's ability to go through an eternity of time by resurrecting and dwelling within other people's soul, which lastly he ended up in Yuuki's soul.

We quite literally have a statement of "Time is infinite, and so is his lifespan". The fact that Yuuki's lifespan still ended points out to the fact that time itself (4-D one) came to an end

Now, let's not bring the same r* argument from last time about "if time ended then how is it infinite".

Question: Time is infinite, so how could it end (how could Yuuki's lifespan end)?
Answer: This is a question that makes me wonder if the person asking it is either unknowledgeable on our tiering system or committing the ******** behavior of derailing + arguing for the sake of arguing without any substance.

Fortunately, I have a rather positive assumption always and will assume it's the prior, which I did in the last CRT and clarified. But since not everyone is reading both CRTs (ik y'all's asses are lazy ⁠ ͡⁠°⁠ ͜⁠ʖ⁠ ͡⁠°⁠) so I'll clarify this here again.

We have higher Infinities in vsbw:

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In fact, that's why Hypertimes even exist, so saying it's an anti feat to Infinite time is like saying "time is not infinite cuz Hypertime exists". Or "this house is not the biggest in town cuz the town exists outside it" in plain English. That is, using two completely unrelated points and trying to merge them into a contradictory counter that debunks itself.

Also, if someone asks this question again (especially a few user), I will completely ignore you as instructed by the staff in private. So don't make it hard on either of us and do not troll unless you wanna get reported.

Spoiler: Chapter 189

He wandered to many worlds, passing through the eternity of time, until he dwelled into Yuuki’s soul.

Simply referring to time flowing and him going through it as all normal people.

幾つもの世界を彷徨い永劫の時を経て、ユウキの魂に宿ったのだ。

Since then, several years have passed by and once again he crossed worlds once again. Was it a coincidence or was it the inevitable?

Equates to... Practically nothing out of the ordinary. He spent some finite time in another and then came to this one.

To resurrect Lucia and to see whether he truly was the heart of the “Stellar King Dragon” Veldanava who truly loved Lucia.
He would destroy the world many times and his soul would return many times to call back Lucia’s soul.
His wish is to destroy it over and over again endlessly to regain her back for sure.
He collected the fragments of her soul in order to regain her heart.
The probability of success was extremely small, to the extent that it could be said as a non-possibility, but the answer would never be 0.
Then, he would just carry it out.
His host named Yuuki wanted to destroy the world, so their purposes matched.
Thus, they formed a cooperative relationship and treated each other as equals.
It was Velda’s turn right now. Until he wished to swap, Yuuki will be sealed in the depths of their soul.


By the way, he let Lucia’s body that he had kept to borne a seraph, and brought back her appearance of when she was still alive.
『Justice Lord Michael』moved Lucia like a heartless doll.
Michael had a close nature to Angra Mainyu, having been taken in by Velda once before, it retained its faithful will to him.
It could be said that Michael is most suited to be the guardian who would protect Lucia’s body.
Because of Michael, it’s not possible to wound, or to even touch Lucia’s body, as long as Velda yearned for Lucia.
Originally, Lucia had possessed the Ultimate Skill『Wisdom Lord Raphael』 which seemed to have been lost upon her death.
Thinking back on it, when he transferred『Justice Lord Michael』, instead of keeping it, his Ultimate Skill,『Covenant Lord Uriel』was also lost in the same way.
Those two souls had been completely broken, and maybe because of that, it was scattered to the world.
Because he was Velda, even from the state of only being a heart, he had been able to revive.
Reviving Lucia might have been possible when he was the ”Stellar Lord Dragon” Veldanava, but it was not an easy task for the current Velda.
First of all, he must recover all the abilities.
Whatever it takes, he needs to obtain the Ultimate Skill,『Wisdom Lord Raphael』 that will be reborn somewhere, and someday.
He wasn’t panicking.
Because time is infinite and his life span was as well.
Because Lucia will surely wait for him until after he finishes destroying the world.

Destroying the world was, to note, his goal, not something he even achieved in that end. Does that actually dismiss the hyper-literal statement of Time and Yuuki's lifespan being equally infinite? NO

Now referring to this, this has never been the case of Rimuru exiting All of time.

Not only was it repeatedly stated to be the "End" of time on various lines, but following this "all time" statement, was this;

WOW, let's ignore this??

――Chrono Saltation――
The Ultimate Super Space-Time Magic that forced the target to leap to space where time had ended.
...
However, it would cause drastic changes if he multiplied it.
Bathed in the flow of all time and received the repulsion of the space that tried to fix itself, the target was sent to beyond time.
To the “End of Time and Space”―― A void in the far off future where the end of time and space overlapped.
If he couldn’t defeat him, he only had to put off the issue――That was the decision Yuuki had made.
Rimuru was able to rival him, or maybe even surpass him. To fight head-on against a super-level being like Rimuru would be sheer stupidity.
The answer to that was sending Rimuru to the future and destroying the world in that chance.
At the very end, the difficulty of the game to destroy the world, that used to be boring and easy, jumped up insanely, but Yuuki only felt happiness now that he had cleared it.
Yuuki was very happy and showed a smile from the bottom of his heart.
　　　　◆◆◆
The Time Stop was canceled at the same moment as Rimuru disappeared.
Without waiting for anything, those left behind moved all together.
Most of them didn’t understand exactly what had happened in front of their eyes.
However, the fact that Rimuru had disappeared was the only thing they could understand clearly.
「Well, I had sent the biggest obstacle for a trip to the future. This is a checkmate, right?」

Ciel's statement pretty much makes it clear. They were sent to beyond time, outside the continuum, and then she waited and watched the end of that Hypertimeline. Rimuru woke up after that, asked "what place is this", to which Ciel answered "End of Time and Space".

I opened my eyes slightly.

I’m sure I had begun my final battle with Yuuki, and yet――

《You finally woke up?》

Oh! Ciel-san said something to me.

Where are we?

Also what happened to Veldora-san?

《This is the End of the World. It could also be referred to as the “End of Time and Space”. As for Veldora, he was isolated inside the『Imaginary Space』and completely protected, so please rest assured.》

I see. Veldora-san is alright.

Thank goodness….. Eh? This needlessly large and empty world is the “End of Time and Space”, she said?

Certainly, time doesn’t flow and is in a stopped state. I can’t sense the spread of space either…..

《Yes. In this world, the flow of time has stopped. The spread of space had ceased as well, and in accordance with the Law of Entropy[3], this world has arrived at nothingness.》

Has arrived? You are talking as if you have watched it?

《That’s right. We were hurled to beyond space and time due to Yuuki’s attack. The lifespan of the planet has already ended a long time ago, but the collapse of the world hasn’t yet been reached. From that I deduced, Yuuki probably couldn’t destroy the world itself yet. When he was at the phase where he destroyed the celestial bodies as well as the space-time continuum, I presume that Yuuki’s lifespan had come to an end. However, I can’t judge whether his wish was fulfilled or not. After that, we wandered around as we drifted in the space and I witnessed the end of this universe.》

――I can’t understand what Ciel-san is saying at all……

“I witnessed the end of the universe?” What is she talking about…..?

Rather, there’s no way we can be alive in a situation like that.

If you want to lie, come up with a more believable one――So I thought, but I remembered Ciel-san never lies.[4]

She deceives me sometimes, but she didn’t lie as I simply misunderstood――Or rather, she made me do so――That’s all of it.

That means this is really the end of the world!?

《Yes, that’s right. Then, I’ll get straight to the point, what will master do after this?》

Brief as usual, her response was stated matter-of-factly.

However, I just woke up a little while ago, but Ciel had been waiting for me to wake up for countless years.

Can either refer to beyond or the far reaches of space-time. Which would greatly differ depending on the translation. So we will need someone to help translate this.

Whereas context refers to it being beyond "All Time", yes.

Bathed in the flow of all time and received the repulsion of the space that tried to fix itself, the target was sent to beyond time.

Let's also dodge every single thing that doesn't go according to what you said, sure??

Even all of Rimuru's clones were completely swallowed up by the Space-Time Continuum
時空連続体としての、リムルに連なる分身体までも全て根こそぎ巻き込んで……。

If Rimuru was swallowed up by the continuum itself by this transfer sending him to beyond time, it's pretty god damn clear what "beyond" means here.

So if Turn null accumulated energy during the time rimuru was sent to the "end of the universe" which is also the same place as the "end of time and space" which is also the "far off future" then all of this would be provably the same. If Rimuru was sent through infinite time, there should be no reason there is a limit to what rimuru can recreate using turn null. Since if an infinite amount of time passes, especially if he's sent beyond infinite time, then he should at least have an infinite amount of energy which can make an infinite amount of worlds.

So it would then be fine to conclude that the "far off future" is regarding the universe they were within, not some outside place. This would all prove that Rimuru was sent to the end of the timeline, a place where the universe ceased all functionality, similarly to the heat death theory that still persists even in the light novel. This is proven since it is talking about the "stars" lifespans being exhausted and referring back to entropy, a key piece in thermodynamics, which adds validity to the heat death theory, and the heat death theory is grounded on the idea that time is still around.

So terms like "beyond time" are not exactly what it means literally, since there are multiple instances of the place that rimuru was sent to, still being within time itself just at the "End" of time.

So this should all prove that Rimuru never left the actual space-time for there to be a reason why the space-time itself has ended prior to rimuru being sent to the end of space and time. And this should also conclude that when it stated "time was infinite" it was not referring to the timeline of the space-time, but Velda's journey through worlds and trying to bide time to eventually put together Lucia's soul.

This can pretty much refer to the Time passed between Beyond Time and End of (Hyper) Time.

And let's not forget, Time existing outside all time, flowing over the insignificant but still 5D default cosmological space, ultimately implies a hypertimeline.

Infinite Lifespan?​

When it comes to Yuuki's lifespan, I still think the damning contradictory event of his lifespan ending naturally, is still a problem within the narrative. Since you didn't showcase that Yuuki has an infinite lifespan, just that it isn't of concern for him, which could in fact allude to the idea that he DOES have an infinite lifespan.

With my prior section, I believe I noted enough to conclude that Rimuru was within the same space-time that yuuki was within when being sent away via Chrono-saltation. So the issue then becomes, where is yuuki and the others? Perhaps they are alive and just drifting in the empty void of the "end of space and time" or maybe they all died due to not surviving space. But we know one thing, Yuuki's lifespan ended.
This can mean multiple things;

1. Yuuki doesn't actually have an infinite lifespan, nor do anyone else, just that their lifespans are just exaggerated to an extent that they cannot measure.
2. They simply did not survive the death of the universe.
3. Yuuki exhausted his life by destroying the celestial bodies. OR (with less credibility using my prior section)
4. An infinite amount of time past within the space-time which subjected anyone with an infinite lifespan to perish.

Considering my first section discredits number 4, I will leave that out for obvious reason.
Considering that spiritual life forms are beings that don't require typical biological needs, I would heavily lean away from number 2.

None of this would REALLY be there if you gave an hour or two trying to understand the fact that vsbw has higher infinites, higher temporal dimension, and even bigger degree immortality type 1.

Anyways, 2 is pretty much not an option because SLFs don't even have physical bodies, unless someone externally destroys them, it doesn't matter.

Hypertimeline here isn't relying on the unnatural destruction of the continuum, so it doesn't matter either.
4 is completely out of option as all it has is a single statement of Yuuki's lifespan ending, and even at that only because 4D time ended, against pretty much dozens of statements of infinite lifespan.

It seems like when these humans evolved to demi spirit forms, their lifespans "greatly increased" but didn't become infinite.

Demi spirits have their lifespan extended but not infinite BECAUSE they still can't think purely with their non-physical aspects and because they still have a physical body.

So the question is whether or not this same concept applies to every spirit life-form. Well if it did, where are they?

Demons, by the way, resurrect after death. Pretty much every character mentioned there has resurrection, so it's not that their lifespan ended, it's that they got killed by Yuuki.

This clearly showcases that none of these supposed "infinite lifespan" beings, are within the "end of time and space" which is simply the "distant future". So wouldn't this contradict any "infinite" lifespan and instead support that the "infinite" part is hyperbole and simply suggesting an extensively long life?

With my prior section, that's what it would mean, unless number 2 is correct and none of them can survive the heat death of the universe.

With number 3, then you would have to undoubtedly concede the idea that Yuuki perished prior to the end of time and space, meaning an "infinite lifespan" was never able to run its full course. This would mean, that you cannot use Yuuki's lifespan to reinforce the idea that the timeline was infinite.

So If we exclude number 4 as being a possibility, all interpretations would discredit the space-time having "infinite time" via "infinite lifespans".

But what if we conclude that Yuuki DID in fact destroy the space-time. If Yuuki did do so, he would've destroyed the space-time that his life was processed through in the timeline. If he managed to survive that, then that showcases a contradiction in trying to make time infinite via his lifespan since he exists after the collapse of the space-time. Since he must be able to exist outside the space-time, then his lifespan ending is still a clear sign that it cannot be infinite since this supposed "hypertimeline" would then exist allowing his lifespan to continue, since he hasn't gone through infinite time yet.

If yuuki died when the space-time ceased, that would still debunk infinite time using Yuuki's life since the space-time didn't go through the entire timeline but was cut short due to yuuki destroying it.

Either case ends in the same result, the contradiction that discredits Yuuki's lifespan being used to justify that the timeline is infinite.

READ:

[一言]
リルムを未来に吹っ飛ばしたから最低でもそこまで世界が存続するのが確定するのでは
クロエの能力で過去に精霊を送った時
確定し確認された過去を変更する事は出来ないのだから
そこでリルムが世界を見て存続を確認したらそこまでは壊れないという理屈になるはず
投稿者： フレーム
2014年 07月06日 22時55分
管理
　いや、到達する未来がなくなっているという風に考えていました。
　崩壊した世界で生き残れる存在なんていないよね、というのがユウキの計算。

　確認した情報は崩せないのですが、今回は二重の意味で無視してます。
伏瀬
2014年 07月06日 23時04分

Also, I believe Reiner pointed it out to you in the last thread, and I mentioned in the OP too, we assume timelines are infinite by default unless proven otherwise?

Now, does Yuuki's infinite lifespan ending because the timeline itself end, actually disapprove that? NO.
You cannot simply use every evidence indicating towards a hypertimeline against itself. Once again, I advice you to spend a few hours actually reading through our standard pages.

Beezlebuth doesn't swallow the concept of time, the comparison is about it's comsuption of negative energy;
It's just comparing the energy direction needing to be controlled. The "concept of time" stuff is also only speaking the fact that one wouldn't be able to notice time because expansion = progression.

If all progress ceases, then the idea of how time works would obviously change. It similar to if a person lives inside of a cave when they used to live outside. The person would stop understanding the concept of day and night since those things are never going to matter inside of a cave. It would be the same situation, time ceases to move therefor people lose the sense of time itself. Not that the concept of time as a fundamental of reality ceases.

It is practically "time flow = expansion of space", if Space loses the power to expand, time loses its power to flow, and both collapse into 0.

If the author uses an out-of-ordinary cosmology theory compared to irl theories, that doesn't mean we must match it to the irl standards.

This just isn't even stated in the text you sent

Uhhh...
there isn't just one scan, you know?

――Are the things in the future decided too?
No, what is decided to that extend is unknown.
What I know is this moment now, when the True Hero awakened, only to that extent.
At the time I flew into the past, the Hero whose existence overlaps disappeared and is untied from all limitations.
That is, even though it’s an existence of the assimilated me and you, it can be said to be another person.
Chapter 124

Though it might be impossible, even if she calculated it with the Unique Skill 『Mathematician』 , however she understood that the possibility for this is improbable.
(But still, I can’t help but pray. Because to die is to give up and make the best use of my life for everyone........)
Hinata accepted the offer.
“Thank you,” she muttered in small voice to the girl, Chloe, Hinata and Chloe’s soul mixed together as one and leapt through the barrier of time.
To a far-off past.
And now, the endless journey of the girl called Chloe and Hinata begins.
Chapter 124

Because she went to the past together with Hinata’s Will, Chloe didn’t taste solitude. And under the tutoring of Hinata, an excellent teacher, she was able to learn all the skills that Hinata had known. Because of that the foundation was made......

――She awoke the Ultimate Skill 『Space-Time King (YogSothoth)』 ――

Thanks to this ability she was able to recall the future memory. It’s a thing that Chloe from previous iterations was not able to do.

Originally, Hinata’s 『Mathematician』 and 『Usurper』 were unified with 『Absolute Severance』 and 『Infinity Prison』 and she acquired Ultimate Skill 『Hope King (Sariel)』 .

This time, she absorbed the energy from Hinata’s Soul without a problem, so she could remain without being mixed, and Hinata’s soul could be revived in pure form. What it brought was an absolute power that rules over time and space.
Chapter 125

Author’s Note
Explanation time. I wrote it and was confused.

I notice that the consistency was sketchy and I couldn’t write freely when I began to think about the concept of time. Though it almost got mixed up several times, but is it alright?

I pray that there will be no fatal mistakes found in there.

This time Chloe succeeded in moving the World-Line!

Isn’t the World-Line volatility change by about 1%?

By the way, she acquired Reading Steiner too this time!
Chapter 125

Idk why you treated the first 3 scans as Non-existent.

All this says is Chloe succeeded in moving THE world-line.

This is essentially referring to the world-lines in Steins:Gate, clearly as the link is to steins gate. The issue with trying to imply that she goes to other word lines, presupposes those world-lines are outside of the space-time she is currently within, which is not the case. It's is abundantly clear that it takes heavy inspiration from steins gate which would mean that it is 1 space-time with multiple possible histories.

This is all regarding the same universe/space-time and nothing about it implies different space-times. This would mean, that the "World-line" that is active is contained within the same space-time, meaning there is not hypertimeline needed since it can function within a singular timeline, just switching out which one is active, but in Chloe's case, reverting back to the past and entering a new history.

And since in steins gate, other world-lines do no physically exist until they are move to the main world-line, this should also be attributed to Tensura since Fuse is taking heavy inspiration from it, and there's nothing to contradict that being the case. So world line would just refer to the time-line, like it can be translated as such;

This... Strangely makes me happy that you at least went outta your way to read Reading Steiner's fandom.
Sadly however, this interpretation is based on the Attractor Field Theory:

Attractor Field

The Steins;Gate universe consists of numerous world lines, which can themselves be arranged within attractor fields. The physical theory used is based primarily on many-worlds quantum mechanics.[1] An attractor field is a cluster of world lines that lead to a single converging point. While each...

steins-gate.fandom.com

Which Fuse admits he didn't use:

[一言]

　リーディングシュタイナー言うなｗ
　あれ。個人的には〝孤独の観測者〟でルビなんだよなぁ。アニメの曲、ハッキングトゥザゲートの歌詞でも孤独の観測者ってフレーズあるし。

　と、閑話休題。
　流れ理解したお。

　本来の世界線……
　１．テンペストに厨二ネーム部隊突撃。
　２．クロエ泣きつく。時間やばし。
　３．その場で空間転移。おかげでヒナタに遭遇せず。テンペスト守りきる。
　４．が、その後、テンペストに聖騎士たち突撃。リムル死す。
　５．クレイマン覚醒。ワルプルギス、勇者の身体をユウキが奪う。
　６．てんやわんや。ルミナスがミリムにやられたり、フレイかばってライオンさん死んだり。
　７．勇者、ユウキに操られるままにギィに敗北。
　８．過去へ

　今回の世界線……
　１．テンペス厨二襲来
　２．クロエ、我慢。
　３．結果、ヒナタと遭遇。何とか逃げ切った。
　４．が、テンペスト犠牲者多数。リムルぷっちん+α「覚醒魔王になっちゃる」。究極能力発現！
　５．聖騎士に勝利。ついでにヒナタにくっついてた虫も削除。
　６．ヒナタ死す。しかし虫もいないので純粋な状態でクロエ進化、更にヒナタ復活。

　ってことでおｋ？
　で、ヒナタの死は何処の世界線でも必要不可欠で、なんやかんやで絶対死ぬってことかね？
　更に、前世界線。もしかしたらリムルが生きてて、過去をいじった可能性もある、と。

　最後の質問。
　これは多分俺の見落としやも知れんが、聖櫃の中の勇者ってヴェルドラ戦でぶっ倒れたんだったか？　自信ない……

　まぁ、それはいいんだが。
　んじゃ質問。クロエの始まりって何処？

　召喚されて、過去の自分と合体して、認識できなくなって、このあと何処行った？

　飛んで、ユウキが勇者復活させて、それはクロエ+ヒナタで、ヒナタはクロエに吸収されて、ギィに殺されて過去へ。
　それで、過去の自分と合体に繋がる。

　聖櫃の勇者どっからきたのかわからん。今回の世界線の子供クロエは何処に……

　ああああああああああ、馬鹿に生まれた自分を後悔。

• 投稿者： 桐生直隆
• 18歳～22歳
• 2013年 07月28日 17時09分

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　大丈夫。
　本編ではその用語は使ってないですよ！　
　アトラクターフィールド理論も展開させてないので、問題ないです。多分。

　クロエの始まりは、秘密。
　ユウキに召喚された時だと思うけど、隠し設定を使うと変動します。
　が、これ以上は混乱しそうなので、使うのは止める方向にします。いや、使うかも知れないけど……
　
　聖櫃の勇者が、過去から現在まで生きてきたクロエ（＋ヒナタ）です。
　ヒナタが召喚される前に、自分で眠りにつきました。
　あの聖櫃は、自分の能力の一つです。
　ルミナスは友達なので、その保管を依頼したのです。

　消えたクロエは、目覚めた勇者に纏わりつく感じに眠っていたとでも思って下さい。

• 伏瀬
• 2013年 07月28日 19時55分

Anyways, these are my responses so staff can evaluate on a not-so-one-sided interpretation but both sides.

Also, Setto didn't support your interpretation, he pretty much said he thinks it's that the timeline is infinite. Read what you yourself are having as an argument again...

---

Yeah I don't think I'll be discussing that "all time isn't infinite" either. It's pretty much because it's the same as the last thread, and I was advised by staff to ultimately ignore it if it doesn't end.

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

snip

Hey, I was wondering if these posts can be deleted. Reason is self explanatory.

what a useless yap

What a useless comment that has no meaning beyond insulting the guy who is just disagreeing with the thread (which isn't a crime nor a 'yap') and derailing the thread.

This is not the way to prove the guy's wrong or a way to help in any way, **** off with this attitude

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

Hey, I was wondering if these posts can be deleted. Reason is self explanatory.

Imma make a response because yours isn’t really arguing fr

 

[AstraphelNoctis4]

This makes sense to me. On a side note, I am not sure how Yuuki’s lifespan (whether infinite or not) contributes anything to the Hypertimeline argument. Rimuru is at the End of Time and Space, where the universe has reached its natural death, time is frozen, and no further events or extensions of the timeline exist. Yuuki naturally would die along with time and the universe even if she has infinite time.

1. Yuuki’s lifespan is as infinite as time itself, and Rimuru was thrown into the future or outside of spacetime using Reverse Time Stop that used 'all of time.'

It is stated that Yuuki does not exist in that future (which itself doesn't exist) because his lifespan naturally ended , meaning time itself also ended, So whether yuuki destroyed the Space-Time doesn’t matter. Rest are just supporting evidence, that yuuki's infinite lifespan statement is neither contradictory nor inconsistent within the verse, since even semi-spiritual lifeforms have infinite lifespans, and Yuuki is a full spiritual lifeform.


2. Even when spacetime ended, time (hypertime) was still flowing and space was still expanding until Rimuru reached the End of Space-Time (EoST). and since It is stated that when space lost its power to expand, the concept of time ceased to exist. Therefore, arguments such as the “flowing water” analogy should not apply.

3. As supporting evidence for the presence of an independent time axis separate from the containing spacetime, Astral brought up Chloe’s ability. Previously, she could only time-travel to the normal past, but after gaining Yog, she became able to travel through world lines. Additionally, Yuuki’s ability is explicitly called a super-spacetime ability.

4. The argument is that spacetime ended (because Yuuki’s lifespan ended) or that Rimuru was outside of spacetime continuum.​

Time was still flowing at BTaS → that higher time eventually also ended when it stopped expanding and flowing (i.e., it ceased to exist). So Rimuru’s time travel itself is not the main proof. The real proof is that time was flowing outside the normal continuum, and this time is hypertime. (It is not "because the timeline was destroyed or ended and Rimuru was still able to travel to its past, a hypertimeline must therefore exist" type of argument , Rimuru's time travel has nothing to do with hypertimeline)

5. Astral explained why this higher time should be orthogonal to the time axis of normal spacetime. The EoST is not the end of the universe, but the end of the world. The universe had already ended while the world still existed.

 

[TheHyperGuy]

We quite literally have a statement of "Time is infinite, and so is his lifespan". The fact that Yuuki's lifespan still ended points out to the fact that time itself (4-D one) came to an end

Now, let's not bring the same r* argument from last time about "if time ended then how is it infinite".



Simply referring to time flowing and him going through it as all normal people.


Equates to... Practically nothing out of the ordinary. He spent some finite time in another and then came to this one.

Destroying the world was, to note, his goal, not something he even achieved in that end. Does that actually dismiss the hyper-literal statement of Time and Yuuki's lifespan being equally infinite? NO

WOW, let's ignore this??

Ciel's statement pretty much makes it clear. They were sent to beyond time, outside the continuum, and then she waited and watched the end of that Hypertimeline. Rimuru woke up after that, asked "what place is this", to which Ciel answered "End of Time and Space".



Whereas context refers to it being beyond "All Time", yes.

Let's also dodge every single thing that doesn't go according to what you said, sure??

If Rimuru was swallowed up by the continuum itself by this transfer sending him to beyond time, it's pretty god damn clear what "beyond" means here.


This can pretty much refer to the Time passed between Beyond Time and End of (Hyper) Time.

And let's not forget, Time existing outside all time, flowing over the insignificant but still 5D default cosmological space, ultimately implies a hypertimeline.



None of this would REALLY be there if you gave an hour or two trying to understand the fact that vsbw has higher infinites, higher temporal dimension, and even bigger degree immortality type 1.

Anyways, 2 is pretty much not an option because SLFs don't even have physical bodies, unless someone externally destroys them, it doesn't matter.

Hypertimeline here isn't relying on the unnatural destruction of the continuum, so it doesn't matter either.
4 is completely out of option as all it has is a single statement of Yuuki's lifespan ending, and even at that only because 4D time ended, against pretty much dozens of statements of infinite lifespan.

Demi spirits have their lifespan extended but not infinite BECAUSE they still can't think purely with their non-physical aspects and because they still have a physical body.

Demons, by the way, resurrect after death. Pretty much every character mentioned there has resurrection, so it's not that their lifespan ended, it's that they got killed by Yuuki.


READ:

Also, I believe Reiner pointed it out to you in the last thread, and I mentioned in the OP too, we assume timelines are infinite by default unless proven otherwise?

Now, does Yuuki's infinite lifespan ending because the timeline itself end, actually disapprove that? NO.
You cannot simply use every evidence indicating towards a hypertimeline against itself. Once again, I advice you to spend a few hours actually reading through our standard pages.


It is practically "time flow = expansion of space", if Space loses the power to expand, time loses its power to flow, and both collapse into 0.

If the author uses an out-of-ordinary cosmology theory compared to irl theories, that doesn't mean we must match it to the irl standards.

Uhhh...
there isn't just one scan, you know?

Idk why you treated the first 3 scans as Non-existent.

This... Strangely makes me happy that you at least went outta your way to read Reading Steiner's fandom.
Sadly however, this interpretation is based on the Attractor Field Theory:

Attractor Field

The Steins;Gate universe consists of numerous world lines, which can themselves be arranged within attractor fields. The physical theory used is based primarily on many-worlds quantum mechanics.[1] An attractor field is a cluster of world lines that lead to a single converging point. While each...

steins-gate.fandom.com

Which Fuse admits he didn't use:


Anyways, these are my responses so staff can evaluate on a not-so-one-sided interpretation but both sides.

Also, Setto didn't support your interpretation, he pretty much said he thinks it's that the timeline is infinite. Read what you yourself are having as an argument again...

---

Yeah I don't think I'll be discussing that "all time isn't infinite" either. It's pretty much because it's the same as the last thread, and I was advised by staff to ultimately ignore it if it doesn't end.

Practically everything here is answered within my prior post. Like this did absolutely nothing and added nothing. Just restating your evidence and points without actually addressing my evidence and points directly, which is Astrals go to ig.

The only thing that I really want to address is this;

This... Strangely makes me happy that you at least went outta your way to read Reading Steiner's fandom.
Sadly however, this interpretation is based on the Attractor Field Theory:
...
Which Fuse admits he didn't use:

And? He references the world-line and the actual Reading Steiner which uses world-lines. Which like I said, he based Chloe's ability on said theory which is about world-lines within a single space-time which governs only 1 timeline. Not referring to other worlds/universes.

Also I'm nearly 100% certain you said he "did" use it. But wtv.

I'll just let admins decide with the already known information I sent and your interpretation, no need for a back and forth.

 

[Vietthai96]

Oke i'm busy so i don't have much time but I just don't understand some particular arguments,

1. Having an infinite life span yet naturally ended is a literal anti-feat, just because there is higher infinity doesn't gonna solve this contradiction, because the verse itself need to explicitly support that there is higher infinity for lifespan, extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence, while the "higher infinity" argument is somewhat logically sound, empty talking mean nothing if the verse do not show the proof that there is higher infinity applies to lifespan. Also what is the suppose Unique Skill Mathemacian can do?

2.

WOW, let's ignore this??

Ciel's statement pretty much makes it clear. They were sent to beyond time, outside the continuum, and then she waited and watched the end of that Hypertimeline

They was sent to beyone time yet most other statements said they was still within the universe witness the end of it. So this is either the beyond time is not literal and refers to the end of time where its stop or the author contradicted himself. And the time travel could literally be literally anti feat to the argument that time is destroyed rather than having a second time axis

 

[Astral_Trinity439]

Oke i'm busy so i don't have much time but I just don't understand some particular arguments,

1. Having an infinite life span yet naturally ended is a literal anti-feat, just because there is higher infinity doesn't gonna solve this contradiction, because the verse itself need to explicitly support that there is higher infinity for lifespan, extraordinary claims requires extraordinary argument, while the "higher infinity" argument is somewhat logically sound, empty talking mean nothing if the verse do not show the proof that there is higher infinity applies to lifespan.

Let's see

• Time outside all Time
• Time outside the continuum
• Being outside the continuum yet still being inside the world
• Chloe's time travel ability allowing her to travel to different timelines.

Also what is the suppose Unique Skill Mathemacian can do?

It's a calculation/analysis type skill. Information analysis

2.They was sent to beyone time yet most other statements said they was still within the universe witness the end of it.

Because the Universe is what's proposed as Low 1-C here. It's supposedly bigger than the continuum since it's there outside it.

Even all of Rimuru's clones were completely swallowed up by the Space-Time Continuum
時空連続体としての、リムルに連なる分身体までも全て根こそぎ巻き込んで……。

So this is either the beyond time is not literal and refers to the end of time where its stop or the author contradicted himself.

There's a clear difference between the state "beyond time" outside all time and the "end of time". Also, note how Rimuru still flows "in space" outside the continuum and experiences hyper time there. The fact that this time flows in insignificant 5D space means it's orthogonal too.

And the time travel could literally be literally anti feat to the argument that time is destroyed rather than having a second time axis

Chloe's time travel didn't work, Rimuru's did. There's a clear indication of a difference here.

Rimuru's time travel isn't being used as justification for low 1-C, however, the author did confirm he made Rimuru time travel despite future/past not existing is basically making an exception to to rules in two ways. That was in the OP

 

[Reiner04]

1. Yuuki’s lifespan is as infinite as time itself, and Rimuru was thrown into the future or outside of spacetime using Reverse Time Stop that used 'all of time.'

This is just semantics. As I stated, if she is supposed to die after an infinite amount of time, then she should already be dead, given that infinite time has passed. Or is the timeline perhaps finite? Yuuki and the universe died together; all that remains is static, unmoving time and non-expanding space. Everything is frozen. Rimuru is standing at the end of the line beyond which is nothing. A single slice which follows no flow but itself.

On another note, Yuuki’s lifespan is not literally tied to the timeline. She is supposedly immortal, yet her lifespan is also destined to end, which is contradictory. As Veith mentioned, there is no such thing as a 'transfinite lifespan'. Furthermore, your argument assumes the timeline ends at a specific 'physical' point in the future; however, infinity is a concept, not a fixed number. If the 'End of Time and Space' is a specific point in the infinite future, Yuuki could die at any point before it and still technically retain her immortality, since
"infty - finite = infty" still. However, since her immortality is not tethered to the flow of time, she should not have died physically at all. I am in favour of Veith’s interpretation, she is not immortal. Although, either immortal or not is irrelevant to the existence of Hypertimeline anyways.

 

[Ciel_Trinity439]

This is just semantics. As I stated, if she is supposed to die after an infinite amount of time, then she should already be dead, given that infinite time has passed. Or is the timeline perhaps finite? Yuuki and the universe died together; all that remains is static, unmoving time and non-expanding space. Everything is frozen. Rimuru is standing at the end of the line beyond which is nothing. A single slice which follows no flow but itself.

On another note, Yuuki’s lifespan is not literally tied to the timeline. She is supposedly immortal, yet her lifespan is also destined to end, which is contradictory. As Veith mentioned, there is no such thing as a 'transfinite lifespan'. Furthermore, your argument assumes the timeline ends at a specific 'physical' point in the future; however, infinity is a concept, not a fixed number. If the 'End of Time and Space' is a specific point in the infinite future, Yuuki could die at any point before it and still technically retain her immortality, since
"infty - finite = infty" still. However, since her immortality is not tethered to the flow of time, she should not have died physically at all. I am in favour of Veith’s interpretation, she is not immortal. Although, either immortal or not is irrelevant to the existence of Hypertimeline anyways.

He isn't standing at the "end of the line", he's already at a point where the line doesn't exist.

The author confirms that

[一言]
リルムを未来に吹っ飛ばしたから最低でもそこまで世界が存続するのが確定するのでは
クロエの能力で過去に精霊を送った時
確定し確認された過去を変更する事は出来ないのだから
そこでリルムが世界を見て存続を確認したらそこまでは壊れないという理屈になるはず
投稿者： フレーム
2014年 07月06日 22時55分
管理
　いや、到達する未来がなくなっているという風に考えていました。
　崩壊した世界で生き残れる存在なんていないよね、というのがユウキの計算。

　確認した情報は崩せないのですが、今回は二重の意味で無視してます。
伏瀬
2014年 07月06日 23時04分

Yuuki's lifespan IS tied to the timeline, that's literally what the scan says.

Time was infinite, and so was his lifespan

Whether Infinity is treated as a concept or a number (such as transfinite numbers) depends on the author, and here he uses the latter since, well, he writes things like All Time, outside the Timeline, infinite Lifespan ending, and so on

 

[Vietthai96]

I'm on phone so i can't quote scan or statement but

• Time outside all Time
• Time outside the continuum

Where is the proof for it?, the only thing i saw is the beyond time statement which may or may not referring to actual outside of space-time continuums

Chloe's time travel ability allowing her to travel to different timelines.

I read all the scans about Chloe's time travel ability and all it said was her travelling to the past, which pretty much mean there is only singular timeline, what scan imply she can travel to different timelines?. Are we reading the same scan? Or there is still scan idk?

It's a calculation/analysis type skill. Information analysis

So nothing imply some kind of higher infinity that apply to lifespan, i think you can remove lifespan argument at this point

Because the Universe is what's proposed as Low 1-C here. It's supposedly bigger than the continuum since it's there outside it.

Even all of Rimuru's clones were completely swallowed up by the Space-Time Continuum
時空連続体としての、リムルに連なる分身体までも全て根こそぎ巻き込んで……。

I failed to see how this implies some kind of Big universe that is bigger than timeline. The scan talking about a super space-time magic that allows rimuru to leap to the end of time and all his clones swallowed by that same space-time

There's a clear difference between the state "beyond time" outside all time and the "end of time". Also, note how Rimuru still flows "in space" outside the continuum and experiences hyper time there. The fact that this time flows in insignificant 5D space means it's orthogonal too

I don't see any of this, "end of time" and "beyond time" was literally within the same paragraph, and beyond time was mentioned only one while the "end of time" was mentioned a lot. And i don't an insignificant 5D space, nothing really mentioned a space between/separate or contains timelines especially the scsn about Chloe travel to different timelines is just her atually time travelled to the past

Chloe's time travel didn't work, Rimuru's did. There's a clear indication of a difference here.

Scan for this?

Rimuru's time travel isn't being used as justification for low 1-C, however, the author did confirm he made Rimuru time travel despite future/past not existing is basically making an exception to to rules in two ways. That was in the OP

The only thing i saw is him somewhat implied he made Rimuru able to time travel, but nothing show this can even imply something of a higher time axis.