Lookism Scaling Revision

[CatLover313]

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[DivineAura44]

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I'm tired, boss

 

[CatLover313]

I'm tired, boss

Rip

 

[DivineAura44]

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[CatLover313]

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[DivineAura44]

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[DivineAura44]

"Everyone used 4 in our generation."

 

[CatLover313]

"Everyone used 4 in our generation."

Even more of a gap upscale lol

 

[DivineAura44]

Even more of a gap upscale lol

So clearly T1 in the verse, I don't know why we are entertaining the idea that 2T James was above him just because he was old.

 

[Mercury009]

"Everyone used 4 in our generation."

Tom singlehandedly upscaling the entire Gen 0 was not in my 2026 bingo card

 

[Dinozxd]

"Everyone used 4 in our generation."

All thresholds aren't equal btw.

 

[DivineAura44]

All thresholds aren't equal btw.

Are you trying to say that not everyone reaches their threshold at the same point? Cuz sure but it wouldn't matter. There is a clear line of scaling which puts every 1T > 0T, 2T > 1T, so on and so forth.

 

[Dinozxd]

There is a clear line of scaling which puts every 1T > 0T, 2T > 1T, so on and so forth.

No? Daniel has no masteries and he's massively above any Allied member whom all have at least 1 mastery. Gongseob has 3 masteries and he's still massively weaker than Pacheon who also had 3. Even the same types of masteries between characters aren't equal. Zack and James both have Speed Masteries but James is still massively faster than him. Pacheon and Samuel both have Endurance Masteries even though Pacheon's endurance is much better than Samuel's.

I also feel like Tom's statement is either wrong or a retcon, as everyone in Gen 0 did not have masteries (Gen 0 guys in the Cheongliang Arc, Shingen, Pacheon). It's also weird that Tom never used any masteries aganist Goo when they fought in the 1st Affilate arc, but I guess the whole "Mastery" system wasn't introduced back then so I'd say that was a retcon. Shingen and Pacheon not having all 4 masteries still makes Tom's statement a bit weird though.

 

[Exoko]

Shingen and Pacheon not having all 4 masteries still makes Tom's statement a bit weird though.

Shingen may have had it, though maybe Tom only meant the higher tiers or that 4 was not treated as insanely rare as in the later generations, and unless their ceilings are similar (all the fodder from all of the generations) there isn't much taken from this statement.

Also it kinda sucks that Paecheon never had technique imo, he's meant to be a renowned master & shi.

I could say Gen 2 have a higher average potential due to less masteries lower ceiling = easier to reach mastery, higher ceiling/potential = harder to reach mastery) as well if we don't take the actual context of the situation into account.

It could just be a retcon though, with everyone being old asf so not showcasing as many masteries due to new physical limitations brought up by age (can't overcome these natural limits ma boi), or that the 'trails' weren't shown back in Cheonliang for the twins just cause.



Also:

 

[Exoko]

Maybe Pacheon stacking his endurance is considered something special like IA.

Also I'm still salty on how the guy spamming techniques, is a master swordsman & brags about his position as a master doesn't even have technique mastery.

 

[Dinozxd]

Shingen may have had it, though maybe Tom only meant the higher tiers or that 4 was not treated as insanely rare as in the later generations, and unless their ceilings are similar (all the fodder from all of the generations) there isn't much taken from this statement.

Not sure about Pacheon but Shingen was definitely a god tier of Gen 0 so the statement should've definitely applied to him.

Also it kinda sucks that Paecheon never had technique imo, he's meant to be a renowned master & shi.

I was expecting him to have Technique Mastery with the Hwrang but Ig not lol

I could say Gen 2 have a higher average potential due to less masteries lower ceiling = easier to reach mastery, higher ceiling/potential = harder to reach mastery) as well if we don't take the actual context of the situation into account.

Hot take: Masteries is a shit power system. I wished they just kept Unique Techniques and Paths.

It could just be a retcon though

The whole concept of Masteries is pretty much a retcon so probably.

Maybe Pacheon stacking his endurance is considered something special like IA.

The Lookism wikia lists them as "Veins" but something like that was never stated in the series. PTJ probably visualized Pacheon's Endurance Mastery like that because, his endurance is strong asf ig?

 

[Mercury009]

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[Mercury009]

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[Mercury009]

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[Powerscalingcat]

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Also you have my support as well (saw this weeks ago but my account just got apporoved) I will try to get it bumped every once in a while

 

[Powerscalingcat]

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[Mercury009]

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[Powerscalingcat]

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[CatLover313]

This thread should be pretty simple.

Daniel Park and Gun Park (not related by blood) are currently High 8-C seemingly via scaling to Gapryong Kim (his name is misspelt on the profile it seems), who performed this feat.
Problem? Literally nothing shows they should scale, especially considering Gap is arguably the strongest inverse with no clear scaling to current characters.

Now there is an argument to be made that they scale to a casual, past his prime Gapryong Kim, but I'd argue that far more characters would scale by such logic. And that logic causes a whole can of worms. Does James Lee scale? Likely. How about Jichang Kwak? I'd argue it's much better to play it safe and just remove these two from the scaling chain just to play it safe. I'm open to other ideas though.

Agree: @Viott, @Mercury009, @Dinozxd, @Pyro9278, @Kakistan, @Exoko, @Powerscalingcat (I think)

Disagree: @Vzearr, @Avaritia_603

Something I realized was that if we want to wait for actual feats to scale Old Gap anyone because he doesn't have any proper inscaling inverse, shouldn't a lot more characters be effected? All of Gen 1 and Half of Gen 2 scale to like "Likely/Possibly High 8-C" as of right now on their profiles.

 

[DivineAura44]

Something I realized was that if we want to wait for actual feats to scale Old Gap anyone because he doesn't have any proper inscaling inverse, shouldn't a lot more characters be effected? All of Gen 1 and Half of Gen 2 scale to like "Likely/Possibly High 8-C" as of right now on their profiles.

Yes. I posted this thread originally because I saw Daniel and Gun's rating. I dove deeper and realized that far more characters scaled, which is why I said this

After checking, it seems every high and god tier character on the wiki has this feat, all stemming back from Daniel??? Like why tf does Mandeok Bang at all get to scale to a feat Gapryong Kim performed? I now think this should only scale to Gapryong and Shingen, the scaling past that has clearly gotten out of hand.

 

[CatLover313]

Yes. I posted this thread originally because I saw Daniel and Gun's rating. I dove deeper and realized that far more characters scaled, which is why I said this

Ah I guess I missed that comment because the original post still said that just those two would be removed. Good to cover that it's for every character that isn't Gap and Shingen.

 

[CatLover313]

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[Vietthai96]

Did you guys solved the scaling chain? Idk the verse so...

 

[Reiner04]

I will give my opinion in 3 days. Needs to look at few things first.

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Did you guys solved the scaling chain? Idk the verse so...

The current conseus amoung the vast majority that no one besides the God tiers of the feat should scale to the feat in question, as it's currently being used to scale the entire verse, because God tier A vaguely scales to top tier B who vaguely scales to high tier C who scales to mid tier D etc until basically the whole verse scales to a feat performed by a God tier, we just need 2 staff approvals

 

[Vietthai96]

The current conseus amoung the vast majority that no one besides the God tiers of the feat should scale to the feat in question, as it's currently being used to scale the entire verse, because God tier A vaguely scales to top tier B who vaguely scales to high tier C who scales to mid tier D etc until basically the whole verse scales to a feat performed by a God tier, we just need 2 staff approvals

So can you list who will scales here?

 

[Powerscalingcat]

So can you list who will scales here?

Gapryong Kim and Shingen Yamazaki for now at least until we get more concrete information on who ACTUALLY scales to retired and prime Gap

 

[Vietthai96]

Gapryong Kim and Shingen Yamazaki for now at least until we get more concrete information on who ACTUALLY scales to retired and prime Gap

Oke, this is fine to me, for now, though you better wait for Reiner since he said he will comment in 3 days

 

[DivineAura44]

Stand up now and face the sun, won't hide my tail or turn and run...

 

[DivineAura44]

I'll go ahead and start compiling the list of every character who isn’t Shingen and Gap but scale to the feat.
Edit: For some odd reason I cannot do transfer the links to text and it'd look really bad if I posted every raw character link so I guess someone will have to do it for me? I can send every character who needs to be changed to dms if need be.

 

[CatLover313]

I'll go ahead and start compiling the list of every character who isn’t Shingen and Gap but scale to the feat.
Edit: For some odd reason I cannot do transfer the links to text and it'd look really bad if I posted every raw character link so I guess someone will have to do it for me? I can send every character who needs to be changed to dms if need be.

I can do it for you if send it to me.

 

[JirensMom]

FP Paecheon should scale to very casual Gapyrong via downscaling from base prime Shingen.

Gap busted that gate with a casual punch without even using Conviction or Path (or even mastered Conviction). Path users would scale above Paecheon via Tom’s statement (Gun, Johan, Daniel, and Prime James), so they also scale. I agree with removing that scaling from anyone below FP Paecheon though(so basically 99% of everyone scaling to Gap).

 

[CatLover313]

FP Paecheon should scale to very casual Gapyrong via downscaling from base prime Shingen.

Gap busted that gate with a casual punch without even using Conviction or Path (or even mastered Conviction). Path users would scale above Paecheon via Tom’s statement (Gun, Johan, Daniel, and Prime James), so they also scale. I agree with removing that scaling from anyone below FP Paecheon though(so basically 99% of everyone scaling to Gap).

Pretty sure it was implied Gap used conviction on that punch because he said he wanted to show and pave the way for Jinrang. Even then, pretty sure we’re waiting for an actual fight with Gap to scale others to his feat. Only reason Shingen scaled was because his prime version was acknowledged by Gap himself.

 

[JirensMom]

Pretty sure it was implied Gap used conviction on that punch because he said he wanted to show and pave the way for Jinrang. Even then, pretty sure we’re waiting for an actual fight with Gap to scale others to his feat. Only reason Shingen scaled was because his prime version was stated to be the rival of Prime Gap and it took Gap and others to take him down or something like that.

I guess.

Yeah Shingen states Prime Gap as his only equal.

This Prime gap has a path + Mastered conviction (+ possibly 4 masteries (according to tom).

Anyways I still think Paecheon should still scale through Shintaro’s statement comparing him with Shingen. But I’m fine with waiting for more context.