John Slap Battles Vs John Ebg “who the #### is this noob” (1-1-4) (VOTERS NEEDED)

[Delusionaltx2]

excpet custom and ui immortality is conditional while spectator is not,

and whats to say they won't try and make another build to fix that?

it is possible to hold three gloves look at trifecta and even so you can argue for the inventory system

ok so in trifecta then I want you to show me some videos of people using spectator in a netural setting

 

[Nonynho]

counted, i asusme youve read through this a bit, still gonne count

ngl it wasn't the most through read ever, but i've went through a bit of this
and i love incon matches

 

[Thunderman101]

and whats to say they won't try and make another build to fix that?

ok so in trifecta then I want you to show me some videos of people using spectator in a netural setting

this is not a nuteral session how many times do i have to say this. s

 

[Nonynho]

important thing to note:

if y'all can't reach a conclusion, rn started a 72h countdown for this to be addable as incon to the profiles.
rule page

• If both sides have equivalent posts with constructive arguments, the thread shall be deemed inconclusive.
  • Inconclusive matches, in which the opposing parties are incapable of defeating each other, should only added to profiles if they had a notable debate. A debate is considered notable, in this context, if it features a lengthy debate over an aspect not directly listed on profile.
    • Examples of such are standard tactics (if not listed), ability mechanics and (unlisted) potency, interaction between abilities, weaknesses, verse equalization, potential methods to circumvent resistances and immortalities, potential learning or growth they could achieve in the timeframe of the fight, whether they could escape long enough for prep based abilities to come into play, etc.
    • If the final verdict did not have a minimum difference of three votes a grace period for inconclusive of 72 hours will begin. The other rules for inconclusive will still apply; grace for inconclusive will only be added if both parties had a notable debate.

 

[Thunderman101]

Except once again like I said before,

why would he use this frame one when

1. probably one of the least used gloves in game

2. has 200+ other gloves he can use


If spectator was meta or something then sure, but it isn't, so why would he immedietely think of spectator within the first 2 seconds of the fight?

because if he can use 3 gloves hed want to make a broken combo that cant be fought against

 

[Delusionaltx2]

because if he can use 3 gloves hed want to make a broken combo that cant be fought against

And with 200+ gloves this can be anything

 

[Delusionaltx2]

important thing to note:

if y'all can't reach a conclusion, rn started a 72h countdown for this to be addable as incon to the profiles.
rule page

atp we should just end the thread and start votting

EBG FRA

 

[Thunderman101]

atp we should just end the thread and start votting

EBG FRA

counted.

Ive never done one of these can i vote

And with 200+ gloves this can be anything

but ti would most likley be spectator as its the first thing that pops up that has any garrunted defence. (last response i will make)

 

[Nonynho]

Ive never done one of these can i vote

yep

 

[Thunderman101]

john slap for reasons above

 

[Thunderman101]

If anyone wants a deepen index into either sides abilites before voting you can check them out here

Slap:https://roblox-slap-battles.fandom.com/wiki/Gloves

EBG:https://roblox-elemental-battlegrounds.fandom.com/wiki/Elements

 

[Thunderman101]

its been fun debating @Delusionaltx2

 

[Nonynho]

oh, since this is 1-1-3 rn, the match should still be addable as incon in 72h lol

 

[Arkansalter2]

at worst, keep distance and pelt him

Pelt an invincible. Yeah.

again why would he lead with spectator out of the hundreds of other gloves??

Same question with "Why would John EBG lead with time stop out of the hundreds of spells?"
Why wouldn't they?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Pelt an invincible. Yeah.

If said invincible can't reach them then yeah it's incon

Same question with "Why would John EBG lead with time stop out of the hundreds of spells?"
Why wouldn't they?

Nice strawman but no that's not what I said

because timestop is massive, has 2 variants, and is one of if not the most easiest stuns to land in the entire game

This is especially the case here since slap in this scenario is relying on fast moving gloves like MR or TP to get to EBG

EBG would see this and be even more inclined to use timestop because of its massive AOE

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Honestly we need to work on slaps page and actually look for standard things within the meta for him to use


This entire thread has been "EBG will use stun to trap and one combo"

"Slap will use this build!"

"The build doesn't work"

"Slap will use this build then"

"The build doesn't work"

"Slap will use this build then!"

"The build doesn't work"

"Slap will use this build then!"

"The build doesn't work"

"Slap will use this build then"

"This is a self incap for him"

"Slap will use this build then"

"That's neat but you listed like 6+ other builds"

 

[Thunderman101]

actually its been

"Slap will use this glove to be invincible and beat ebg"

"thats outranged"

ok then heel use this

"outranged"

ok but then this

"Outranged"

ok heres one ebg has no counter too

"no proof hed use it"

heres proof hed use it

''no proof hed use it''



also self incaps are after 12 hours, most slaps even stayed in a rock is 10

 

[Thunderman101]

If said invincible can't reach them then yeah it's incon

Nice strawman but no that's not what I said

This is especially the case here since slap in this scenario is relying on fast moving gloves like MR or TP to get to EBG

EBG would see this and be even more inclined to use timestop because of its massive AOE

spectator is immune to time stop ive said this how many times and youve ignored me (last post for real)

 

[Delusionaltx2]

spectator is immune to time stop ive said this how many times and youve ignored me (last post for real)

Again, you're ignoring the part where I said they have to actually reach EBG otherwise it's an incon

Cool, their invincible, if all their abilities get outranged there is no point

You're also ignoring the whole tangent we had about neither or not they would even start with spectator when it's literally never used in the meta

You said it was used in trifecta, I asked for evidence, you said that was a fallacy and then moved on

 

[Thunderman101]

Again, you're ignoring the part where I said they have to actually reach EBG otherwise it's an incon

Cool, their invincible, if all their abilities get outranged there is no point

You're also ignoring the whole tangent we had about neither or not they would even start with spectator when it's literally never used in the meta

You said it was used in trifecta, I asked for evidence, you said that was a fallacy and then moved on

and they have several ways to reach ebg such as riftshot, materliaze or glovel

I never said it was used in trifecta, i said trifecta proves that slap can hold more than one glove at once

 

[Delusionaltx2]

and they have several ways to reach ebg such as riftshot, materliaze or glovel

And like I said before, EBG has Transportation spells they can just use to reposition especially since slaps mobility has no evidence of even being able to teleport that far

I never said it was used in trifecta, i said trifecta proves that slap can hold more than one glove at once

By saying this you're implying this build is fairly common in trifecta since this is where them holding three gloves comes from.

If they can't use this in trifecta or it simply isn't a meta choice In trifecta then they won't use it here, at least not frame one anyway

 

[Thunderman101]

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And like I said before, EBG has Transportation spells they can just use to reposition especially since slaps mobility has no evidence of even being able to teleport that far

By saying this you're implying this build is fairly common in trifecta since this is where them holding three gloves comes from.

If they can't use this in trifecta or it simply isn't a meta choice In trifecta then they won't use it here, at least not frame one anyway

That's not what I mean, trifecta lets you hold 3 default Gloves, thars it. However it could theoretically be replaced with any other glove and we have seen npcs with multiple gloves

 

[Thunderman101]

Also I completely forgot about mortis glove.

It allows the user to transform into mortis, so they theoretically should have all of mortis abilites, which includes bfr. So the player can just spawn a Brazil portal under ebg and leave him there.

Proof that mortis can spawn Brazil portals
3:23

 

[Thunderman101]

Also I completely forgot about mortis glove.

It allows the user to transform into mortis, so they theoretically should have all of mortis abilites, which includes bfr. So the player can just spawn a Brazil portal under ebg and leave him there.

Proof that mortis can spawn Brazil portals
3:23

So unless ebg has a way to travel through dimensionsz theyre stuck there. They could try jumping down but the chaos turbulence would kill them. If they try talking to mortis he explodes them and dies, and if he tries going back to a different portal (the one chained to the rock to Brazil), cause it looks the same, he has to go through the entire evil Brazil boss fight with no help and no clue on what to do

 

[Delusionaltx2]

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That's not what I mean, trifecta lets you hold 3 default Gloves, thars it.

So basically they can't even use three different gloves outside of default....making spectator not even usable

However it could theoretically be replaced with any other glove

Theoretically yes, however unless it actually shown or heavily supported this can't be used

For all we know for example trifecta could just have special circumstances with the map that makes that possible while also making it limited to just default gloves for instance

Point is, if we don't know the lore behind Trifecta then "theoreticals" can't be used

and we have seen npcs with multiple gloves

why would slap the same as them?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Also I completely forgot about mortis glove.

It allows the user to transform into mortis, so they theoretically should have all of mortis abilites, which includes bfr. So the player can just spawn a Brazil portal under ebg and leave him there.

Proof that mortis can spawn Brazil portals
3:23

Rq I want you to count how many build where mentioned in this thread before continuing

 

[Thunderman101]

So basically they can't even use three different gloves outside of default....making spectator not even usable

Theoretically yes, however unless it actually shown or heavily supported this can't be used

For all we know for example trifecta could just have special circumstances with the map that makes that possible while also making it limited to just default gloves for instance

Point is, if we don't know the lore behind Trifecta then "theoreticals" can't be used

why would slap the same as them?

Ok I think you made a spelling error you said why could slap the same as them.

We have seen characters using more than one glove and on top of this John slap has hammer space as shown in gloves like BONK so worst case put the gloves in his inventory. Also adress my point on mortis

 

[Thunderman101]

Rq I want you to count how many build where mentioned in this thread before continuing

No, this just proves that there are several wincons. I have been switching builds over and over because you just say outraged and refuse to budge.

Also nice ad hominem

 

[Delusionaltx2]

No, this just proves that there are several wincons.

The main question is what they would lead with

If there are several wincons that means there are multiple different options

If there are multiple different options hat means each option only has a chance at being used

This is just how basic probability works

I have been switching builds over and over because you just say outraged and refuse to budge.

I haven't just been on about range, I've been talking about the fact that whatever option slap uses needs to be one that stops EBG from decimating them in two moves because of the AP difference

You haven't actually stuck with a definitive lead and without a definitive lead there's no reason to suggest slap just picks the right glove to win

Also nice ad hominem

You have no idea what an ad hominuem is do you?

Do you want me to define it for you?

 

[Thunderman101]

Missed rhe

The main question is what they would lead with

If there are several wincons that means there are multiple different options

If there are multiple different options hat means each option only has a chance at being used

This is just how basic probability works

I haven't just been on about range, I've been talking about the fact that whatever option slap uses needs to be one that stops EBG from decimating them in two moves because of the AP difference

You haven't actually stuck with a definitive lead and without a definitive lead there's no reason to suggest slap just picks the right glove to win

You have no idea what an ad hominuem is do you?

Do you want me to define it for you?

You have been deflecting this entire time. You really are going to tell me that ebg would not try to at least touch or get a feel of a rock that none of his attacks work on for 12 hours.

One attack is not going to kill slap and slpanhas several healing options.

Flash
They have options imminiebto timestop and there is reason to believe because the gloves I have mentioned are mostly popular. And you still haven't addressed what stops player from just sending ebg to barzil

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Missed rhe

You have been deflecting this entire time.

No I haven't? If anything you've been shifting arguments the entire time while I've been remaining consistent and sticking to the same stun + combo = GG win on EBG always leads with

You really are going to tell me that ebg would not try to at least touch or get a feel of a rock that none of his attacks work on for 12 hours.

Seeing as how they have no reason to then uhh no?

One attack is not going to kill slap and slpanhas several healing options.

5x AP difference would like to argue

Especially considering the fact that they can kill other EBG in just three attacks it'll take two hits at most and that's assuming they don't use a multi hit spell

Flash

Which has start up and just leads to them teleporting into a stun

They have options imminiebto timestop

Like what? Killstreak was the only legitimate option and that relied on them switching gloves before dying in two spells

and there is reason to believe because the gloves I have mentioned are mostly popular.

You're saying that yet when asked you never showed a single scan suggesting that people use spectator and not only that, I literally showed a clip of someone playing the game for an hour with streak and not encountered a single spectator user

And you still haven't addressed what stops player from just sending ebg to barzil

Because he gets stunned long before hand via lack of consistent lead options?

Why would he use spectator instead of the like 6 other builds you mentioned earlier on in the thread?

Why would he use spectator Instead of U.I which is typically the more commonly used choice?

Sure spectator has the potential to be more optimal but if there aren't any gamemodes where spectator is meta then how would we assume they would use this within the first 2 seconds of the match?

Meanwhile there are tutorial videos on EBG with pro players suggesting to use the best combos said combos typically leading with something that slows down or stops the opponent from moving/stun

In slaps case I even justified why time stop is going to be more viable here by pointing out the amount of TP shenanigans and the amount of times that MR that would be used here

 

[Thunderman101]

No I haven't? If anything you've been shifting arguments the entire time while I've been remaining consistent and sticking to the same stun + combo = GG win on EBG always leads with

Seeing as how they have no reason to then uhh no?

5x AP difference would like to argue

Especially considering the fact that they can kill other EBG in just three attacks it'll take two hits at most and that's assuming they don't use a multi hit spell

Which has start up and just leads to them teleporting into a stun

Like what? Killstreak was the only legitimate option and that relied on them switching gloves before dying in two spells

You're saying that yet when asked you never showed a single scan suggesting that people use spectator and not only that, I literally showed a clip of someone playing the game for an hour with streak and not encountered a single spectator user

Because he gets stunned long before hand via lack of consistent lead options?

Why would he use spectator instead of the like 6 other builds you mentioned earlier on in the thread?

Why would he use spectator Instead of U.I which is typically the more commonly used choice?

Sure spectator has the potential to be more optimal but if there aren't any gamemodes where spectator is meta then how would we assume they would use this within the first 2 seconds of the match?

Meanwhile there are tutorial videos on EBG with pro players suggesting to use the best combos said combos typically leading with something that slows down or stops the opponent from moving/stun

In slaps case I even justified why time stop is going to be more viable here by pointing out the amount of TP shenanigans and the amount of times that MR that would be used here

1.spectator hard counters

2. Because UI can notndeflect from anything other than ranged attacks
3.befaude they would want to be immune to attacks while being able to attack
4. Mortis cannot be stunned.

Let's look at John slaps wincons

1. Sending player to Brazil via mortis


2. Waiting for player to touch the megarock (Roblox players usual do do this, he might want to dance around the rock or maybe he would think punching would work as a secret method or smth after y'know, none of his attacks work

3. Using reverse and materialize to get close enough to slap. And if things go wrong just go to spectator to be immune. They'll have instant access to every glove via hammer space

You have been consistently switching up arguments, you went from saying ebg can tank their own attacks, to talking about one shot combos even though one shot combos would end up one shotting ebg instead of slap once reverse gets into play. Ebg is not going to run like a coward the entire fight the second slap dares to get close


You are misenterping what I'm saying. I know that spectator is not commonly used. However, in a situation like this where more than one glove is able to be used, spectator would likely come into play as slap would realize since they have more than one glove, they can take advantage of spectators immunity to attwfks and flight while still being able to attack

There's also the fact that gloves like counter can be used to make ebg backfire on his own attacks, or Mitten, or el gato. Spectator is immune to timestop I have said this how many times and you are ignoring it. Stun + combo does not work as I have provided several methods to how slap could escape such as schlob, killstreak, reverse or spectator

 

[Thunderman101]

Slap also has several methods to stun ebg back, such as bind stop or the glove literally called stun or the literal heat seaking brick that can travel up to higher than 200km per hour

2. John slap can also drink invurnerability potions to make sure heel be fine, throw lethal poison to instantly kill ebg, and can you please show me a clip of time being stopped.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

1.spectator hard counters

Incon at best and that assumes they lead with it

2. Because UI can notndeflect from anything other than ranged attacks

So according to you why wouldn't they just try parrying this with a glove that can fix this issue out of the 200+ gloves they have?

3.befaude they would want to be immune to attacks while being able to attack

Refer to above

4. Mortis cannot be stunned.

Cannot be ragolled yes, NLF otherwise

Let's look at John slaps wincons

1. Sending player to Brazil via mortis

How they do this? We have no idea

2. Waiting for player to touch the megarock (Roblox players usual do do this, he might want to dance around the rock or maybe he would think punching would work as a secret method or smth after y'know, none of his attacks work

Which they have no reason to do

3. Using reverse and materialize to get close enough to slap. And if things go wrong just go to spectator to be immune. They'll have instant access to every glove via hammer space

They get stunned and die immediately

You have been consistently switching up arguments, you went from saying ebg can tank their own attacks, to talking about one shot combos even though one shot combos would end up one shotting ebg instead of slap once reverse gets into play.

Uh no?

My wincon for EBG has and always has been stun + one shot

I brought up how they would stop mid combo if they see their attacks getting reflected but then at that point they heal and try again

Ebg is not going to run like a coward the entire fight the second slap dares to get close

They typically range spam so I don't see why they wouldn't especially if they see that slaps method of attack is trying to slap them (contact based)

You are misenterping what I'm saying. I know that spectator is not commonly used.

So you've admitted to them not leading with this at least four times now...

However, in a situation like this where more than one glove is able to be used, spectator would likely come into play as slap would realize since they have more than one glove, they can take advantage of spectators immunity to attwfks and flight while still being able to attack

The whole reason we allowed slap to use multiple gloves was because we assumed in trifecta that it was allowed however he's using multiple default gloves only then that's a whole nother issue

Second of all if this is suppose to be a new scenario for them then that means it would be even less likely for them to just think of spectator in the spam of a second (how long it would take for EBG to kill them)

There's also the fact that gloves like counter can be used to make ebg backfire on his own attacks, or Mitten, or el gato.

1. Notice how you're listing multiple other gloves they could be using instead for multiple other purposes yet still hinging on the idea that they would use spectator frame one?

2. All of these gloves have a CD and need to be switched, EBG would notice and attack off CD, at that point slap is dead because EBG just needs to land two attacks at most

Spectator is immune to timestop I have said this how many times and you are ignoring it

You're ignoring the range issue, I said even with spectator they just use transportation spells to outrange them

. Stun + combo does not work as I have provided several methods to how slap could escape such as schlob, killstreak, reverse or spectator

All of which either have a CD they can exploit or require switching which doesn't work since EBG just needs to land two attacks

 

[Delusionaltx2]

EBGs wincon: Land two consecutive hits and win via the 5x ap diff

 

[Thunderman101]

Incon at best and that assumes they lead with it

So according to you why wouldn't they just try parrying this with a glove that can fix this issue out of the 200+ gloves they have?

Refer to above

Cannot be ragolled yes, NLF otherwise

How they do this? We have no idea

Which they have no reason to do

They get stunned and die immediately

Uh no?

My wincon for EBG has and always has been stun + one shot

I brought up how they would stop mid combo if they see their attacks getting reflected but then at that point they heal and try again

They typically range spam so I don't see why they wouldn't especially if they see that slaps method of attack is trying to slap them (contact based)

So you've admitted to them not leading with this at least four times now...

The whole reason we allowed slap to use multiple gloves was because we assumed in trifecta that it was allowed however he's using multiple default gloves only then that's a whole nother issue

Second of all if this is suppose to be a new scenario for them then that means it would be even less likely for them to just think of spectator in the spam of a second (how long it would take for EBG to kill them)

1. Notice how you're listing multiple other gloves they could be using instead for multiple other purposes yet still hinging on the idea that they would use spectator frame one?

2. All of these gloves have a CD and need to be switched, EBG would notice and attack off CD, at that point slap is dead because EBG just needs to land two attacks at most

You're ignoring the range issue, I said even with spectator they just use transportation spells to outrange them

All of which either have a CD they can exploit or require switching which doesn't work since EBG just needs to land two attacks

I explained why ebg can use multiple gloves, they have hammer space and would have no trouble pulling it out. I challenge you to name one other glove slap would use that would make a perfect defense, keep in mind spectator pops up inmedealty so the first defensive glove they see will be spectator. Slap is going to keep his distance until his cooldowns come back you are treating him like he's a bumbling idiot. He can send him to Brazil with mortis glove by spawning a portal literally anywhere, behind him infront of him etc. I say they would use spectator frame one because it's the best defensive glove they would see at the time. Spectator plus materialize will make it easy for slap to keep up with ebg. It takes like two seconds to use gloves and you keep saying they would have no reason to touch the rock but literally what else do they do while waiting for slap to come out of the rock. I am including other wincons because even if you don't buy slap using spectator frame one, they have several other gloves with several other abilites that will work against ebg. You say ebg will kill slap as soon as the fight starts but ignore the fifty meter staring range.

 

[Thunderman101]

John slap wincons:Literally able to do anything to ebg while flying around and immune to every single one of his attacks

 

[AthelChan]

HOLY 8 Pages ya'll </3

 

[Arkansalter2]

Incon at best and that assumes they lead with it

Incon however... while John Slap has spectator in his hands, he can fly + he is invincible + intangible. Flight + invincibility = only a matter of time. John Slap will slowly close distance and John EBG can't do anything about it. No poking, no time stopping, no none of that. It's just a matter of time before John Slap catches up and just puts the beats deluxe package on him.
I rule stomp.

 

[Thunderman101]

Incon however... while John Slap has spectator in his hands, he can fly + he is invincible + intangible. Flight + invincibility = only a matter of time. John Slap will slowly close distance and John EBG can't do anything about it. No poking, no time stopping, no none of that. It's just a matter of time before John Slap catches up and just puts the beats deluxe package on him.
I rule stomp.

Is that a vote for slap? If it is il count it tommorow in going to bed