John Slap Battles Vs John Ebg “who the #### is this noob” (1-1-4) (VOTERS NEEDED)

[Thunderman101]

Now tell me how common that is

matter of fact, find a netural server that just has 3 overkills without a streak or something else being involved

Except spectator is RARELY ever actually used in game especially since it's a gamepass glove

There has very rarely ever been instances of spectator actually being used by players normally in-game

people can literally play the game for an hour and still not encounter a single spectator user

yes but this is a pvp scenario. He would naturally want the best gloves to fight so why would he not choose one that makes him immortal.

we have been going in circles for 6 pages we need voters

 

[Delusionaltx2]

yes but this is a pvp scenario. He would naturally want the best gloves to fight so why would he not choose one that makes him immortal.

because he rarely if ever uses this to begin with let alone can we say he'd just magically have a build centering around spectator

and even IF he uses spectator the fight becomes an incon because none of his winconditions actually work

 

[Thunderman101]

by the time that happens, he's getting trapped

he has to realize EBG has stronger attacks, to do that he has to get hit, if he's in range of getting hit he's in range of getting stuned, if he's in ranged of getting stunned they will use stun, if he's stunned he's forced to switch, if he's forced to switch he dies because of the AP diff

Literally assuming he even does they once again realize it has a CD and just wait for the CD

heck reverse isn't even new to EBG, transformation spells exist so they would just equate it to that and if thats the case they'll 100% figure out about the CD

ok maybe not stronger attacks, but either way spectator exists and i dont see why slap wouldnt use that or a glove that would majorly help him in a pvp scenario. One of the most annoyign thing in slaps battles is slap trading so when he starts trading attacks with ebg hes either gpoing to pick the glvoe that makes him immortal or the glove that reflects are his attacks.

 

[Thunderman101]

because he rarely if ever uses this to begin with let alone can we say he'd just magically have a build centering around spectator

and even IF he uses spectator the fight becomes an incon because none of his winconditions actually work

he has two other gloves he can slap with, spectator will not make the fight an incon, hes probably just gonna pick spectator and some glove that can kill opponents. This may not be a point but ive seen hackers use spectator and pusher so what happens when john slap uses spectator, takes ebg to the duelist arena and pushes him into the void

 

[Delusionaltx2]

ok maybe not stronger attacks, but either way spectator exists and i dont see why slap wouldnt use that or a glove that would majorly help him in a pvp scenario.

Slap is almost always in a PvP scenario, yet still never uses it. The entire game revolves around you slapping other players off the map to kill them, the other difference here is that slap is trying to deal damage instead

One of the most annoyign thing in slaps battles is slap trading so when he starts trading attacks with ebg hes either gpoing to pick the glvoe that makes him immortal or the glove that reflects are his attacks.

So why would he pick this when gloves like extended exist? or ranged gloves that players actually use?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

he has two other gloves he can slap with, spectator will not make the fight an incon,

and if none of these gloves can actually harm EBG its still an incon

hes probably just gonna pick spectator and some glove that can kill opponents.

Why dosen't he do this in game then?

This may not be a point but ive seen hackers use spectator and pusher so what happens when john slap uses spectator, takes ebg to the duelist arena and pushes him into the void

These are hackers??? thats not an intended part of the game

 

[Thunderman101]

Slap is almost always in a PvP scenario, yet still never uses it. The entire game revolves around you slapping other players off the map to kill them, the other difference here is that slap is trying to deal damage instead

So why would he pick this when gloves like extended exist? or ranged gloves that players actually use?

maybe he will pick the ranged, gloves, but he will also pick one that garuntees his opponent has a lack of the way to hit him. And the toher difference between this is that slap has acsess to 3 gloves instead of one so he is naturally going to combine them to make something stronger, why would he pick something that has zero synergy

 

[Thunderman101]

Why dosen't he do this in game then?

BECAUSE IN GAME HE IS LIMITED TO ONE GLOVE, OTHERWISE THE GAME WOULD BE UNBALANCED.

Even if he cant harm ebg he can still hax him to death, take him to the duelist arena and push him off or smth. Or use alchemist potions to double your strength. its gonna be long but out of 250 something gloves soemthing will work. Aside from the one shot gloves that are banned because this being a stomp would be unfun

 

[Delusionaltx2]

maybe he will pick the ranged, gloves, but he will also pick one that garuntees his opponent has a lack of the way to hit him.

and there are like a myriad of other gloves that are infinitely more used than spectator that achieve the same thing

heck you literally spent 6 pages arguing on reverse and megarock

And the toher difference between this is that slap has acsess to 3 gloves instead of one so he is naturally going to combine them to make something stronger, why would he pick something that has zero synergy

You're strawmanning, I never said slap wasn't going to pick anything with no synergy, i'm simply asking why he would lead with spectator when it's

1. never used in game

2. he has like 200+ other gloves

 

[Delusionaltx2]

BECAUSE IN GAME HE IS LIMITED TO ONE GLOVE, OTHERWISE THE GAME WOULD BE UNBALANCED.

I'm talking about the gamemodes that allow him to use three other gloves??????

Even if he cant harm ebg he can still hax him to death, take him to the duelist arena and push him off or smth.

1. why would he lead with this?

2. He literally can't because of the LS diff

Or use alchemist potions to double your strength.

14 KT (mind you most gloves don't even scale to their durability) vs 44 KT higher with amps

Ap diff is still there

its gonna be long but out of 250 something gloves soemthing will work.

You just admitted he doesn't lead with this

 

[Thunderman101]

and there are like a myriad of other gloves that are infinitely more used than spectator that achieve the same thing

heck you literally spent 6 pages arguing on reverse and megarock

You're strawmanning, I never said slap wasn't going to pick anything with no synergy, i'm simply asking why he would lead with spectator when it's

1. never used in game

2. he has like 200+ other gloves

because this is a different scenario that makes it so john slap has more than one glove.

say in a game you can only equip one item, an item exists called super invincible which amkes it so you cant atack but no one attacks you. However, theres a special gamemode called 3 items where you can equip 3 items. Naturally youd want to build a set with good offence and defence, and now that theres 3 items you can equip the super invincible with attacking gloves to make it busted.

Im tyring to say that under this specific scenario its the one that spectator can work, especially since john slap would notice it asap because gamepass gloves show up before any other gloves in the menu

 

[Thunderman101]

I'm talking about the gamemodes that allow him to use three other gloves??????

1. why would he lead with this?

2. He literally can't because of the LS diff

14 KT (mind you most gloves don't even scale to their durability) vs 44 KT higher with amps

Ap diff is still there

You just admitted he doesn't lead with this

even if he dosent lead something will work eventually, like alchemist instant death potions or soemthing.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

because this is a different scenario that makes it so john slap has more than one glove.

I'm talking about the gamemodes that allow him to use three other gloves??????

say in a game you can only equip one item, an item exists called super invincible which amkes it so you cant atack but no one attacks you. However, theres a special gamemode called 3 items where you can equip 3 items. Naturally youd want to build a set with good offence and defence, and now that theres 3 items you can equip the super invincible with attacking gloves to make it busted.

cool, how does this justify them leading with spectator out of the 200+ other gloves that are more commonly used

Im tyring to say that under this specific scenario its the one that spectator can work,

cool, why would they willingly pick spectator all of the sudden FRAME ONE

especially since john slap would notice it asap because gamepass gloves show up before any other gloves in the menu

when you think gamepass in slap you think of overkill, not spectator

 

[Delusionaltx2]

even if he dosent lead something will work eventually, like alchemist instant death potions or soemthing.

so you agree he dosen't lead with it?

 

[Thunderman101]

cool, how does this justify them leading with spectator out of the 200+ other gloves that are more commonly used


cool, why would they willingly pick spectator all of the sudden FRAME ONE

when you think gamepass in slap you think of overkill, not spectator

overkill is not allowed because no one shot rules. and because spectator will make them invurnerable while them still being able to attack with 2 other gloves, your underselling thier battle iq

 

[Delusionaltx2]

overkill is not allowed because no one shot rules.

cool, it's still something the average player thinks about when thinking about gamepass gloves

and because spectator will make them invurnerable while them still being able to attack with 2 other gloves, your underselling thier battle iq

Rq, in 20 minutes I want you to find 3 videos of players using spectator in a neutral setting

 

[Thunderman101]

so you agree he dosen't lead with it?

misphrased that, what i mean is that even if all his other 2 gloves he leads wit dont work something will work,

cool, it's still something the average player thinks about when thinking about gamepass gloves

Rq, in 20 minutes I want you to find 3 videos of players using spectator in a neutral setting

except this is not a nuteral setting because john slap can use more than one glove. Think of how broken spectator would be if you could use something like the flex with it

 

[Thunderman101]

im gonna start asking people to vote cause we have been going in circles

 

[Delusionaltx2]

misphrased that, what i mean is that even if all his other 2 gloves he leads wit dont work something will work,

and it's going to take time to find something that will work

except this is not a nuteral setting because john slap can use more than one glove.

Wait a min...so there isn't a gamemode where slap can use 3 gloves????

Think of how broken spectator would be if you could use something like the flex with it

cool, now rq show me scans of people actually using spectator frame one out of the 200+ other gloves

 

[Thunderman101]

and it's going to take time to find something that will work

Wait a min...so there isn't a gamemode where slap can use 3 gloves????

cool, now rq show me scans of people actually using spectator frame one out of the 200+ other gloves

what was that one fallacy of someone saying the same thing to someone over and over to their opponent till they gave up

 

[Delusionaltx2]

what was that one fallacy of someone saying the same thing to someone over and over to their opponent till they gave up

so it's fallacious to ask for evidence now...?

I said spectator isn't going to be used frame one

You said it will

I'm asking for evidence

your response is calling this a fallacy?

 

[Thunderman101]

and it's going to take time to find something that will work

Wait a min...so there isn't a gamemode where slap can use 3 gloves????

cool, now rq show me scans of people actually using spectator frame one out of the 200+ other gloves

in this scenario he can, he ahs used 3 default gloves with trifecta so its fine to assume he could do the same with any glove, and even fi it takes tim ehe has all the time he needs cause he cant die. and the reason people usually dont usse spectator is because they cant fight with it, which is the main point of the game, in this case john slap can

 

[Thunderman101]

so it's fallacious to ask for evidence now...?

I said spectator isn't going to be used frame one

You said it will

I'm asking for evidence

your response is calling this a fallacy?

usually dont usse spectator is because they cant fight with it, which is the main point of the game, in this case john slap can, like i said this is different than your usuall slap battles game

 

[Delusionaltx2]

in this scenario he can, he ahs used 3 default gloves with trifecta so its fine to assume he could do the same with any glove,

You do realize the whole reason we allowed slap to use 3 gloves at the same time was because someone said it was possible to use this in game right?

What i'm asking for is to show me in whatever gamemode that they can use 3 gloves that they use spectator frame one

and even fi it takes tim ehe has all the time he needs cause he cant die.

without spectator he very much can

and the reason people usually dont usse spectator is because they cant fight with it, which is the main point of the game, in this case john slap can

and why would he magically think of spectator frame one out of the 200+ other gloves

there are players with genuenly different preferences, the whole reason we assume EBG will lead with timestop or at least some kind of stun is because it's a part of the pvp meta, if spectator isn't a part of the meta then why would they think about it?

"It makes them immortal!"

Why would this magically mean they would think about this FRAME ONE

 

[Delusionaltx2]

usually dont usse spectator is because they cant fight with it, which is the main point of the game, in this case john slap can, like i said this is different than your usuall slap battles game

Again how does

"It's a build that makes them immortal!!"

corrolate to

"Will use this frame one"

like yeah its a super duper special build, cool! It's specific to a specific glove out of 200+ other gloves they prefer using, Why would "It makes them immortal!" correlate to them knowing to use this frame one?

 

[Thunderman101]

You do realize the whole reason we allowed slap to use 3 gloves at the same time was because someone said it was possible to use this in game right?

What i'm asking for is to show me in whatever gamemode that they can use 3 gloves that they use spectator frame one

without spectator he very much can

and why would he magically think of spectator frame one out of the 200+ other gloves

there are players with genuenly different preferences, the whole reason we assume EBG will lead with timestop or at least some kind of stun is because it's a part of the pvp meta, if spectator isn't a part of the meta then why would they think about it?

"It makes them immortal!"

Why would this magically mean they would think about this FRAME ONE

guide uses multiple gloves, and the reason i say he would think of spectator is its the only glove that makes you totally immortal, and it immedealty pops up.

 

[Thunderman101]

they will use ti frame one as it is one os the first gloves they see that will make them totally immortal, as well as providing flight.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

guide uses multiple gloves, and the reason i say he would think of spectator is its the only glove that makes you totally immortal,

That dosen't corrolate to them using this frame one

Will they eventually decide to use this? if given enough time sure

but i'm asking if they'll use this early on in the match. Even using this thread as an example, it took like 5 pages before someone brought up spectator.

Most players aren't even used to building with spectator as already brought up, they probably wouldn't even think about spectator before using any of the other 200+ gloves

to give a more detailed description

spectator is 1 glove

there are a total of 246 different gloves

this translates to a 1/246 chance of them using spectator

this is a 1/246 chance of them thinking "oh yeah, Spectator exists!"

EBG bypasses this issue because stuns are almost always used in combos, even without timestop, and said combos are usually executed in seconds

and it immedealty pops up.

No, "gamepass gloves" is what pops up as you said before, not just spectator

Im tyring to say that under this specific scenario its the one that spectator can work, especially since john slap would notice it asap because gamepass gloves show up before any other gloves in the menu

there are like 8 different gamepass gloves with gloves like UI and such being more used that spectator, heck why would they even go to the menu first thing instead of starting with the build they already have?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

they will use ti frame one as it is one os the first gloves they see that will make them totally immortal, as well as providing flight.

This once again dosen't corrolate

to give a cross verse analogy, goku in the manga has access to existence erasure via hakai which would normally be an instant win against any random opponent yet goku in character never leads with hakkai despite it easily being the most optimal way to end fights

 

[Thunderman101]

That dosen't corrolate to them using this frame one

Will they eventually decide to use this? if given enough time sure

but i'm asking if they'll use this early on in the match. Even using this thread as an example, it took like 5 pages before someone brought up spectator.

Most players aren't even used to building with spectator as already brought up, they probably wouldn't even think about spectator before using any of the other 200+ gloves

to give a more detailed description

spectator is 1 glove

there are a total of 246 different gloves

this translates to a 1/246 chance of them using spectator

this is a 1/246 chance of them thinking "oh yeah, Spectator exists!"

EBG bypasses this issue because stuns are almost always used in combos, even without timestop, and said combos are usually executed in seconds

No, "gamepass gloves" is what pops up as you said before, not just spectator

there are like 8 different gamepass gloves with gloves like UI and such being more used that spectator, heck why would they even go to the menu first thing instead of starting with the build they already have?

no, when you go to the menu to switch gloves, gamepass gloves immedealty pot up ebfore badges and slap gloves, i know because i have ultra instict. So if they are looking for a glove for good defence, and immedeatly see a glove that will give them good defence, what do you think will happen...

 

[Delusionaltx2]

no, when you go to the menu to switch gloves, gamepass gloves immedealty pot up ebfore badges and slap gloves, i know because i have ultra instict. So if they are looking for a glove for good defence, and immedeatly see a glove that will give them good defence, what do you think will happen...

And said gloves can vary from U.I to a random custom build or something else

all of which mind you are actually used to an extent by players in game while spectator is literally never used

further more why would they even switch frame one instead of starting with whatever build they already have

 

[Thunderman101]

This once again dosen't corrolate

to give a cross verse analogy, goku in the manga has access to existence erasure via hakai which would normally be an instant win against any random opponent yet goku in character never leads with hakkai despite it easily being the most optimal way to end fights

yes except this is different, as goku has other methods to attack and does not usually encounter methods where they specifically need hakai. John here needs attack and defence so he is naturally going to pick the first gloves he sees that give attack and defence

 

[Thunderman101]

And said gloves can vary from U.I to a random custom build or something else

all of which mind you are actually used to an extent by players in game while spectator is literally never used

because this is a different scenario. the reason the game usually does not let people combo gloves outside of boss fights or smth because it would be too broken. This is a special scenario where john slap can so why wouldnt he go for the most broken gloves. Why would he go for custom, which gives immortality sometimes, over spectator which has garunteed immortality so he cannot lose the fight while being immportal.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

yes except this is different, as goku has other methods to attack

so does slap and his 200+ glove abilities not count as a means to attack anymore?

and does not usually encounter methods where they specifically need hakai.

Literally almost every arc consists of goku fighting a character that will threaten to destroy earth or the universe in some compacity

The series itself literally makes it a character flaw for him

John here needs attack and defence so he is naturally going to pick the first gloves he sees that give attack and defence

Yes, and all 200+ gloves are capable of doing that

 

[Thunderman101]

And said gloves can vary from U.I to a random custom build or something else

all of which mind you are actually used to an extent by players in game while spectator is literally never used

further more why would they even switch frame one instead of starting with whatever build they already have

you ignroed my earlier point, the reason spectator is not sued as you are basically just watching while you cant fight. In this scenario, you can fight while being invincible. everyone knows you cant kill a spectator user

 

[Delusionaltx2]

because this is a different scenario. the reason the game usually does not let people combo gloves outside of boss fights or smth because it would be too broken. This is a special scenario where john slap can so why wouldnt he go for the most broken gloves.

the "special scenario" in question only works if its possible to do it in game if it's not possible to do so in game then there is no special scenerio

at that point this thread would be moved to F&G

Why would he go for custom, which gives immortality sometimes, over spectator which has garunteed immortality so he cannot lose the fight while being immportal.

Because like you said, He wants to make a build specializing in offense and defense so for all we know he could try making a build around custom or U.I or something else

 

[Nonynho]

wow, 7 pages holy ****

Both get beaten by Raven (incon FRA)

 

[Thunderman101]

counted, i asusme youve read through this a bit, still gonne count

wow, 7 pages holy ****

Both get beaten by Raven (incon FRA)

 

[Thunderman101]

the "special scenario" in question only works if its possible to do it in game if it's not possible to do so in game then there is no special scenerio

at that point this thread would be moved to F&G

Because like you said, He wants to make a build specializing in offense and defense so for all we know he could try making a build around custom or U.I or something else

excpet custom and ui immortality is conditional while spectator is not, it is possible to hold three gloves look at trifecta and even so you can argue for the inventory system

 

[Delusionaltx2]

you ignroed my earlier point, the reason spectator is not sued as you are basically just watching while you cant fight. In this scenario, you can fight while being invincible. everyone knows you cant kill a spectator user

Except once again like I said before,

why would he use this frame one when

1. probably one of the least used gloves in game

2. has 200+ other gloves he can use


If spectator was meta or something then sure, but it isn't, so why would he immedietely think of spectator within the first 2 seconds of the fight?