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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Like, this slander doesn't even make sense. She removed his heart and then deleted his hand, making him unable to pop a domain without binding vows 😭

You are a griffith fan, and not even the good kind of fan
Removing his hand also stopped him from using WCS completely and allowed Yuji to finally 1v1 him without being insta destroyed
 
I mean he was keeping tabs on UI UI too doesn't mean he beats Kenny.
Because... Ui Ui can teleport them... to him?
Funny how you’re taking Hazenoki as credible when Kenjaku denies his statement in the very next panel. Why do you Yuta fans like to make up headcanon about Kenjaku running away, when there was nothing stated by Kenjaku or in the narrative to suggest that he was afraid of fighting anyone one-on-one other than Gojo or Sukuna?

He flat out says that he's choosing a time that not only will Gojo be busy but the heavy hitters, highlighting Yuta, will also be busy.
His words are clear that even if Gojo were not in the picture, he wouldn't want to make a move while the heavy hitters weren't preoccupied anyway.
 
I like contradictions 😏😏😏😏
When comes to denying JP Hakari being stronger than Yuta trust Maki (pre awakening state with no skills)
When comes to comparing Yuta and Yuki don't trust Maki (Awakened state has info analysis. Can tell characters strength and she did meet Yuta and Yuki)
Yeah sure 😐
In both cases she didn't meet them though 😭
Maki hadn't been in contact with either Hakari, Yuki or Yuta since her awakening at that point.
Hakari was MIA pre-awakening and he was in Tokyo colony 2 post awakening. They did not meet till it was time to unseal Gojo.
She only rendezvoused with the people outside the culling games to make plans about rule changes before going in herself.
And Idrc about the Yuta statement cause it does make sense when no agenda is involved.
Yuta is the 2nd strongest in the modern era, but if Hakari is on a roll and keeps getting jackpots back to back to back, constantly refreshing himself, he'll definitely beat Yuta.
Maki could be denying it cause she likes Yuta and dislikes Hakari or because she doesn't see that as him being truly stronger than him, who knows?


Ignoring all of that, I think there's a clear difference between Maki going "I don't believe that" to her friend comparing himself to another friend.
And her clearly stating that she's basing her comparison on their similar rank of special grade, which we know can go from finger bearer 1 to SUKUNA.
 
Doesn't say what? Lightning translated it nearly 1 to 1 like both translations have. What's your point here then? That Yuki and Yuta are vastly different in every stat or they're relative and thus Maki's point of bringing up their special grade sorcerer status is directly used to imply relativity? Or is it that Maki is just saying it to say it without taking into account Yuta's abilities?


Doesn't matter. She knows, as they all already knew, beating Kenjaku regularly is impossible.
In Shinjuku none of them were worried about beating Kenjaku normally.
Their fear came from him jumping in while they were dealing with Sukuna or after they had barely squeaked a win from Sukuna and now had to deal with a fresh Kenjaku.
Even their plan of taking Kenny down was a side quest all things considered.
They couldn't send someone too weak or else they'd just die. But they couldn't send someone too important, who'd take too much time or take too much damage or else Sukuna would demolish everyone back in Shinjuku.
It's why the plan came down to sending Takaba who could distract Kenjaku, Yuta who could kill Kenjaku, Rika who could kill the spirits and Todo to reduce chances of failure as much as possible.
Ofc in the series circumstances are different from vs battles and that's why all of this prep would be utterly unnecessary.
And that's all that's needed. You're inferring they are different though, you'd need to show this otherwise the statement is totally meant for implying they're in the same ballpark of power, even if you think its not stats, but Yuki obviously has the greater ap.
I feel the narrator telling us no one but Gojo in the modern era surpasses Yuta in Jujutsu is enough.
My main point is not that Yuta is 50x stronger than Yuki but using their similar rank to judge them as sub-Kenjaku doesn't work because of how vast the special grade designation is and how match ups can differ as well.
That scan still proves relativity. Even if you don't believe they're relative in stats, which is just dumb, the special grade sorcerer status is about immeasurable power, that's what Yuki and Yuta are, and if you think that's what Maki is going off of, it still supports the general idea that beating Kenjaku regularly is impossible. Also they had the heavy hitters when Maki says beating him straightforward/conventionally wasn't gonna happen. Then there's MeiMei saying they gotta jump Kenjaku to beat him.
These are under assumptions that they'd have to deal with other things. Mei Mei and Kusakabe are completely out of their depth power-wise and they say as much. They are also worried that Sukuna has more tricks up his sleeves and Uraume is also on stand-by so even if they manage to take them down they'd still need to deal with Kenny on top of that which they cannot do but the heavy hitters may be able to. With less chance of success if they're injured from Sukuna.
I don't get your point ngl, the manga shows us both times Kenjaku fights, it needs to be several people involved with work arounds around direct confrontation, they have to weaken him, and they needed him to reveal his gravity or let his guard down.
It doesn't "need" to be anything. The same way Sukuna could've won by fighting a different way or Gojo could've won by being more on-guard or JJH could've won easier with better planning.
We're looking at the participants in the fight and not the circumstances. JJH wanted to take care of Kenny as quickly as possible with no casualties.
Yuki could've fought Kenny blind but Choso wanted to give her more info so he went first. Yuki could've used her domain but Tengen wanted to disable Kenny's so she used SD and suffered for it instead. Yuta or Maki could've been sent to fight him alone but it would'nt've been easy which they wanted to avoid.
 
n Shinjuku none of them were worried about beating Kenjaku normally.
Their fear came from him jumping in while they were dealing with Sukuna or after they had barely squeaked a win from Sukuna and now had to deal with a fresh Kenjaku.
Even their plan of taking Kenny down was a side quest all things considered.
They couldn't send someone too weak or else they'd just die. But they couldn't send someone too important, who'd take too much time or take too much damage or else Sukuna would demolish everyone back in Shinjuku.
It's why the plan came down to sending Takaba who could distract Kenjaku, Yuta who could kill Kenjaku, Rika who could kill the spirits and Todo to reduce chances of failure as much as possible.
Ofc in the series circumstances are different from vs battles and that's why all of this prep would be utterly unnecessary.
They still know they can't beat him regularly is my point and that's what the story shows.

I feel the narrator telling us no one but Gojo in the modern era surpasses Yuta in Jujutsu is enough.
My main point is not that Yuta is 50x stronger than Yuki but using their similar rank to judge them as sub-Kenjaku doesn't work because of how vast the special grade designation is and how match ups can differ as well.
In abilities, and Yuki is an unknown during this era. I get that's your point, and I'm saying even then the statement is still the story telling us they are viewed on the same level of power.

These are under assumptions that they'd have to deal with other things. Mei Mei and Kusakabe are completely out of their depth power-wise and they say as much. They are also worried that Sukuna has more tricks up his sleeves and Uraume is also on stand-by so even if they manage to take them down they'd still need to deal with Kenny on top of that which they cannot do but the heavy hitters may be able to. With less chance of success if they're injured from Sukuna.
Mei Mei says it with the potential outcome being Gojo beating Sukuna. It's not just Kusakabe and Mei Mei who she's referring to.

It doesn't "need" to be anything. The same way Sukuna could've won by fighting a different way or Gojo could've won by being more on-guard or JJH could've won easier with better planning.
We're looking at the participants in the fight and not the circumstances. JJH wanted to take care of Kenny as quickly as possible with no casualties.
Yuki could've fought Kenny blind but Choso wanted to give her more info so he went first. Yuki could've used her domain but Tengen wanted to disable Kenny's so she used SD and suffered for it instead. Yuta or Maki could've been sent to fight him alone but it would'nt've been easy which they wanted to avoid.
But it does. The manga is showing and telling us Kenjaku can't be fought in a regular 1 on 1, they needed to do it specific ways. And that something is Kenjaku being impossible to beat regularly so they need work arounds to win. And no, we're looking at both participants and circumstances here because both matter. Yuta and Maki would've lost, likely worse than Yuki and Choso.
 
Pre-Rel Fraudkuna: Large Town level, Hypersonic
Jogoat: Large Town level+, Hypersonic+
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Because... Ui Ui can teleport them... to him?
Yuta has enough AP to damage him? Why wouldn't he be worried ?

He flat out says that he's choosing a time that not only will Gojo be busy but the heavy hitters, highlighting Yuta, will also be busy.
His words are clear that even if Gojo were not in the picture, he wouldn't want to make a move while the heavy hitters weren't preoccupied anyway.

No one is denying Kenjaku can get killed if everyone jumps on him. I'm calling out that him not running away from the fight against any of the one on one stuff.
 
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The black hole calc is correct now y'all. City level, 45 megatons.

Uraume's Ice structure (382 KT) -> Sukuna's cloud slash (400 KT, heavily nerfed btw) -> Black Hole calc (45MT) -> Mechamaru's two year charge (120 MT) We got this fr, just need something to fill in the gap and get heavy hitters to small city level or around there, the anime might be able to do that. Pipedream Kaisen
Where did the mechamaru's two year charge being 120MT come from 🙏
 
Okay so if we go with the mechamaru year charges, from what I can tell disaster curse and grade 1 scaling would basically go:
  • 1 year charge = Mahito (tanked it with some burns)
  • 40% of 1 year charge = Shibuya Todo (was at 100% against 40% Mahito and was roughly even)
  • 4x 1 year charge = Yuji (even with 40% Mahito while at 10%) = Nanami (Yuji was said to be equal to Nanami in striking power)
  • Hanami = 4x 1 year charge (could hurt Yuji)
  • Kusakabe/Naobito > 4x 1 year charge (Both are arguably the strongest grade 1 sorcerers according to Gojo)
  • Dagon > Naobito (Dagon tanked his hits and damaged him)
  • Jogo > Kusakabe/Naobito (Kusakabe believed everyone currently facing Sukuna (Choso, Higuruma, himself, Yuji, and Ino) would die if hit by Fuga because it was able to one shot Jogo, implying that Jogo’s more durable than them. Also y’know, literally barbecued Naobito)
  • Hanami (Durability) = Todo with playful cloud > Jogo (took hits from Todo with playful cloud and Yuji’s black flashes along with Yuji’s base hits which would’ve killed Jogo) (don’t think it should be 2.5x Yuji’s stats cause it straight up ripped off Hanami’s arm from what I remember)
Not sure if we would upgrade base grade 1 stats cause the finger bearer still exists as the baseline for special grade curses and thus the grade 1 baseline

You could also maybe argue Jogo should have heavy hitter firepower (not durability) if you assume Kusakabes statement was about everyone (so heavy hitters) and him being terrified of him and Sukuna in their fight plus the Kenjaku statement but hey
I still think the percentage stuff on yuji is kinda insane, Yuji, Nanami, Dagon, Naobito all being 4x stronger than Mahito is still weird to me and they would all be 2x over "special grade output" which also makes no sense to me. Kenjaku also says Mahito grew alot during the fight so I really dont know
 
That one statement by Mahito that when he, Yuji, and Todo were fighting Mahito was at 40%, Yuji was at 10%, and Todo was at 100%. I don't really like it cause it kind of just makes scaling weird as hell
Brother
Some statements of a person at a percent aren't referring to how much energy they're allowed to hit with

It could also just mean stamina in the tank

If we end up using this to comfortably scale people's AP then I swear imma just block every JJk thread
 
Brother
Some statements of a person at a percent aren't referring to how much energy they're allowed to hit with

It could also just mean stamina in the tank

If we end up using this to comfortably scale people's AP then I swear imma just block every JJk thread
Bro acts like he doesn't do this alr
 
Brother
Some statements of a person at a percent aren't referring to how much energy they're allowed to hit with

It could also just mean stamina in the tank

If we end up using this to comfortably scale people's AP then I swear imma just block every JJk thread
Bro bout to block every JJK thread

But fr yeah I don’t agree with it I was just doing it as a hypothetical if we did do that.
 
Brother
Some statements of a person at a percent aren't referring to how much energy they're allowed to hit with

It could also just mean stamina in the tank

If we end up using this to comfortably scale people's AP then I swear imma just block every JJk thread
I mean, it's definitely not a clear "Yuji is at 10% power" but there's definitely a link between the % and power. We already know that the more damaged you are the lower your output
 
I mean, it's definitely not a clear "Yuji is at 10% power" but there's definitely a link between the % and power. We already know that the more damaged you are the lower your output
you can be weaker but not every percent in the series is talking about the percent you punch at
 
I think the %s just really downplay Mahito, in chapter 129 the transfigured humans that Mahito created seemingly weaken himself to only 20% of what he already was at, yet he still keeps up with Yuji by himself and the "80%" was able to damage and send Todo flying.

So it makes no sense for the same Yuji to be that much stronger than Mahito
huh? what? you're confusing this alot, the transfigured humans did not weaken him at all lol, its him splitting into 2 that does, and Todo concludes how the split roughly is power wise

Also Todo fights the transfigured humans merged together, which is NOT mahito, and Yuji fights Mahito meanwhile
 
huh? what? you're confusing this alot, the transfigured humans did not weaken him at all lol, its him splitting into 2 that does, and Todo concludes how the split roughly is power wise

Also Todo fights the transfigured humans merged together, which is NOT mahito, and Yuji fights Mahito meanwhile
That's what I meant mb eitherway the point goes through regardless 🙏 A 80% weaker version of an already weakened Mahito is still keeping up with the same Yuji that we are tryna say is 4x stronger on a comparission of 100% VS 100%, and Todo is fighting 80% of that already weakened Mahito

I think the Todo's scaling to 40% Mahito would be fine overall since Mahito does seem to be making a comparission of raw power between them as he questions if he can even kill Todo in one touch at his current state. But the whole "Yuji is at 10%" kinda breaks everything since 10% Yuji ~ 40% Mahito ~ 100% Todo doesn't really make sense imo due to multiple factors that this would imply
 
A 80% weaker version of an already weakened Mahito is still keeping up with the same Yuji that we are tryna say is 4x stronger on a comparission of 100% VS 100%, and Todo is fighting 80% of that already weakened Mahito
Wrong again. Yuji fights 80% 'clone' of Mahito, while the main body runs around, Todo fights Isomers, not Mahito
Mahito splits up here
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Head - main body (20%), the rest - 80%

The main body creates Isomers
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which fight Todo

After he splits up Todo and Yuji he combines back together
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So 80% Mahito, which wasnt the main body, briefly held off Yuji
 
Wrong again. Yuji fights 80% 'clone' of Mahito, while the main body runs around, Todo fights Isomers, not Mahito
Mahito splits up here
2-N38qB1tDESBqt-1024x1536.jpg

Head - main body (20%), the rest - 80%

The main body creates Isomers
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which fight Todo

After he splits up Todo and Yuji he combines back together
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So 80% Mahito, which wasnt the main body, briefly held off Yuji
nvm u right, I still think the Yuji stuff is a stretch but yea you right on this, other points on why I still think it's weird is just how they were both performing when both were at 100%.

When both of them were at 100% Mahito says he could split Yuji's skull, he tanks attacks from Yuji rather well and is able to fight back even when getting beaten up, his shapeshifting also threatens Yuji enough for him to dodge.
Yuji really only starts actually beating Mahito after the Resonance from Nobara nerfed him.

Reminder that the argument is trying to say 100% Yuji is 4x stronger than 100% Mahito
 
nvm u right, I still think the Yuji stuff is a stretch but yea you right on this, other points on why I still think it's weird is just how they were both performing when both were at 100%.

When both of them were at 100% Mahito says he could split Yuji's skull, he tanks attacks from Yuji rather well and is able to fight back even when getting beaten up, his shapeshifting also threatens Yuji enough for him to dodge.
Yuji really only starts actually beating Mahito after the Resonance from Nobara nerfed him.

Reminder that the argument is trying to say 100% Yuji is 4x stronger than 100% Mahito
mahito tanking these hits does directly prove relativity since off guard people in JJK take more damage due to reinforcement needing to be focused, he was mid-attack so his reinforcement was focused on his fist, not his face
 
Anyone got a video of JJK episode 1 from when the grade 2 curse appears to when Yuji eats the first finger?
 
nvm u right, I still think the Yuji stuff is a stretch but yea you right on this, other points on why I still think it's weird is just how they were both performing when both were at 100%.

When both of them were at 100% Mahito says he could split Yuji's skull, he tanks attacks from Yuji rather well and is able to fight back even when getting beaten up, his shapeshifting also threatens Yuji enough for him to dodge.
Yuji really only starts actually beating Mahito after the Resonance from Nobara nerfed him.

Reminder that the argument is trying to say 100% Yuji is 4x stronger than 100% Mahito
oh yeah i dont disagree that its very shaky and doesnt really work

also this is not 100% Mahito, but actually a weaker Mahito, because he's split into a clone and the main body here (just like he does later)
 
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