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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Also I think 15F Sukuna should probably scale to Jogo's Hypersonic+ hand beams imo, considering he was able to dodge all of Jogo's attacks
 
The black hole calc is correct now y'all. City level, 45 megatons.

Uraume's Ice structure (382 KT) -> Sukuna's cloud slash (400 KT, heavily nerfed btw) -> Black Hole calc (45MT) -> Mechamaru's two year charge (120 MT) We got this fr, just need something to fill in the gap and get heavy hitters to small city level or around there, the anime might be able to do that. Pipedream Kaisen
 
Buraqibear said:
The black hole calc is correct now y'all. City level, 45 megatons.

Uraume's Ice structure (382 KT) -> Sukuna's cloud slash (400 KT, heavily nerfed btw) -> Black Hole calc (45MT) -> Mechamaru's two year charge (120 MT) We got this fr, just need something to fill in the gap and get heavy hitters to small city level or around there, the anime might be able to do that. Pipedream Kaisen
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Buraqibear said:
City level Kenjaku resisting it. It's still large planet level on it's own
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It's the energy to create it that's Large Planet level. The singularity at the center of a Black Hole has infinite density and thus is treated as High 3-A. The strength the feat is measuring is the gravitational waves, which vary in strength depending on how far from the event horizon you are.
Rogue_Forge said:
Maybe, although he can also take Todo's Black Flashes, regen or no if he was less durable than Jogo it would still do visible damage
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I'm pretty sure Jogo could eat a single Black Flash from Todo no issue. If it would take 4 Black Flashes and Playful Cloud Todo beating on him to kill him, then a Black Flash from Todo is no problem.
 
LaserPrecision said:
I'm pretty sure Jogo could eat a single Black Flash from Todo no issue. If it would take 4 Black Flashes and Playful Cloud Todo beating on him to kill him, then a Black Flash from Todo is no problem.
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I mean he took 2


Also iirc, a big part of why Hanami took so much damage (before Yuji's 4 BF's) is because a lot of the hits she was taking were nearly unprotected, because she was constantly switching from guarding against Todo to against Yuji from almost every angle and getting hit in a lot of areas were she wasn't guarding with CE
 
So just wondering, should we go with the 10% Yuji, 40% Mahito, 100% Todo statement? It kind of does mess with scaling if we also scale Mahito to the 1 year charge cause then it means that Nanami is working at double what is supposed to be special grade sorcerer level output and Naobito and Kusakabe would be even higher (though I guess you could argue for those two considering both kind of have crazy feats.

Gonna keep working on collecting feats and working on setting up the blog but I just wanted to put this out there first

EldemadeDityjon said:
Full healthy Yuji = Nanami not 10% Yuji = Nanami.
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Also redid the math, it is still 4x cause 100% Mahito is at 1 year charge, Yuji is 4x stronger per 40% Mahito being equal to 10% Yuji, and Nanami is equal or stronger than Yuji per Ino
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
So just wondering, should we go with the 10% Yuji, 40% Mahito, 100% Todo statement? It kind of does mess with scaling if we also scale Mahito to the 1 year charge cause then it means that Nanami is working at double what is supposed to be special grade sorcerer level output and Naobito and Kusakabe would be even higher (though I guess you could argue for those two considering both kind of have crazy feats.

Gonna keep working on collecting feats and working on setting up the blog but I just wanted to put this out there first


Also redid the math, it is still 4x cause 100% Mahito is at 1 year charge, Yuji is 4x stronger per 40% Mahito being equal to 10% Yuji, and Nanami is equal or stronger than Yuji per Ino
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Call me crazy I think Naobito might be very to close to SG. He has stated for negging Ogi (a grade 1 Sorcerer) and it's not even close.
Kusakabe is SD Merchant to be fair. He amps his own sts and nerfs Opponent to some extent. Has statement for weaker than Nanami in SS? of course for his pre Shinjuku key.
 
Yeah no first grade should be special grade level barring maybe Naobito. Should even just be given a likely rating.
 
Is there a reason Nanami would scale to Mahito fight Yuji? I feel like that clears up the issue if we just acknowledge Mahito fight Yuji > Beginning of Shibuya Yuji. He evidently got stronger, and Nanami was only compared to that weaker Yuji. Not to mention Todo shouldn't be too far behind Nanami, but we know by the percentages (and his own statements/feats) he'd be far weaker than end of Shibuya Yuji at full power.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Is there a reason Nanami would scale to Mahito fight Yuji? I feel like that clears up the issue if we just acknowledge Mahito fight Yuji > Beginning of Shibuya Yuji. He evidently got stronger, and Nanami was only compared to that weaker Yuji. Not to mention Todo shouldn't be too far behind Nanami, but we know by the percentages (and his own statements/feats) he'd be far weaker than end of Shibuya Yuji at full power.
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No reason from what I've found so far. Though I'm only on chapter 90 for me looking for feats so I'll say if I find anything
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
So just wondering, should we go with the 10% Yuji, 40% Mahito, 100% Todo statement? It kind of does mess with scaling if we also scale Mahito to the 1 year charge cause then it means that Nanami is working at double what is supposed to be special grade sorcerer level output and Naobito and Kusakabe would be even higher (though I guess you could argue for those two considering both kind of have crazy feats.
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Didn't feats that snow Nanami and Yuji relativity happen only in vs Mahito arc, before Kyoto goodwill event, on which Todo and Yuji were relative too? If we accept "10% Yuji, 100% Todo" statement, we are forced to accept that since Kyoto event Yuji strength have grown by tenfolds. Only one who can(potentially) actually scale to 100% Shibuya Yuji is Choso
 
Qurbonboev said:
Didn't feats that snow Nanami and Yuji relativity happen only in vs Mahito arc, before Kyoto goodwill event, on which Todo and Yuji were relative too? If we accept "10% Yuji, 100% Todo" statement, we are forced to accept that since Kyoto event Yuji strength have grown by tenfolds. Only one who can(potentially) actually scale to 100% Shibuya Yuji is Choso
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There's a statement in the very beginning of Shibuya that Yuji might be as strong as Nanami. That's where the scaling is coming from. But I do agree he shouldn't scale to the Yuji at the end of the Arc.
 
Qurbonboev said:
Didn't feats that snow Nanami and Yuji relativity happen only in vs Mahito arc, before Kyoto goodwill event, on which Todo and Yuji were relative too? If we accept "10% Yuji, 100% Todo" statement, we are forced to accept that since Kyoto event Yuji strength have grown by tenfolds. Only one who can(potentially) actually scale to 100% Shibuya Yuji is Choso
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I mean, I guess, but there is also an argument to say that the reason they seemed relative in AP is cause Nanami's attacks basically do nothing to him.

Also like Laser said, the actual statement happens in Shibuya and it's from Ino
 
Qurbonboev said:
Didn't feats that snow Nanami and Yuji relativity happen only in vs Mahito arc, before Kyoto goodwill event, on which Todo and Yuji were relative too? If we accept "10% Yuji, 100% Todo" statement, we are forced to accept that since Kyoto event Yuji strength have grown by tenfolds. Only one who can(potentially) actually scale to 100% Shibuya Yuji is Choso
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To be fair, Yuji was not equal to Nanami during the vs. Mahito arc. He was a good weapon against Mahito specifically because he could deal soul damage. Not to mention, that same Yuji was weaker than Todo later on, so it doesn’t make sense for him to be on Nanami’s level during the vs. Mahito arc. The Shibuya statement only supports the idea that Yuji reached Nanami’s level later on, not during the vs. Mahito arc.
 
Tbh me personally I got it like End Shibuya Yuji = Todo, they are portrayed as relative throughout the entire Mahito fight, it’s just that Yuji can attack Mahito’s soul and can’t be cheese touched, while Todo….lacks all of that.

10% soul health slop doesn’t strictly mean he’s 1/10 as strong as he is normally, could just mean a stamina or health thing. Also makes a lot more sense scaling wise, unless you wanna pull some bullshit like Danny Phantom goons and say he’s got some cracked AD that grows a 100 times stronger over like 5 minutes (Yuji got a little something but not this much).
 
Da3ggman said:
Tbh me personally I got it like End Shibuya Yuji = Todo
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Yeah, but that can't be the case because Todo legit said he was falling behind the two and already said Yuji was stronger than him in the Goodwill Event, let alone Shibuya Yuji. I also went over this before, but Yuji has much better feats against Mahito than Todo does even WHILE weakened IIRC.
Da3ggman said:
it’s just that Yuji can attack Mahito’s soul and can’t be cheese touched, while Todo….lacks all of that.
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All that means is that Yuji's damage actually remains and taxes Mahito. But Todo can still inflict injuries in Mahito if his attacks were actually strong enough (As demonstrated by Nanami being able to shatter his limbs).
Da3ggman said:
10% soul health slop doesn’t strictly mean he’s 1/10 as strong as he is normally, could just mean a stamina or health thing. Also makes a lot more sense scaling wise, unless you wanna pull some bullshit like Danny Phantom goons and say he’s got some cracked AD that grows a 100 times stronger over like 5 minutes (Yuji got a little something but not this much).
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It being 1/10th is strong is consistent tho narratively with what we know about the soul, how it reflects on the body, reinforcement, and the mind's affect on it.

Also you're exaggerating it with the "100x stronger in 5 minutes" when it's less than 10x stronger throughout all of Shibuya at the very least (Which considering he was fed like a stupid amount of fingers which impacts his growth drastically ain't much of a stretch).
 
LaserPrecision said:
Yeah, but that can't be the case because Todo legit said he was falling behind the two and already said Yuji was stronger than him in the Goodwill Event, let alone Shibuya Yuji. I also went over this before, but Yuji has much better feats against Mahito than Todo does even WHILE weakened IIRC.

All that means is that Yuji's damage actually remains and taxes Mahito. But Todo can still inflict injuries in Mahito if his attacks were actually strong enough (As demonstrated by Nanami being able to shatter his limbs).

It being 1/10th is strong is consistent tho narratively with what we know about the soul, how it reflects on the body, reinforcement, and the mind's affect on it.

Also you're exaggerating it with the "100x stronger in 5 minutes" when it's less than 10x stronger throughout all of Shibuya at the very least (Which considering he was fed like a stupid amount of fingers which impacts his growth drastically ain't much of a stretch).
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Man I ain’t got the energy to debate this rn

Go with the scaling if you want, I sure as hell ain’t gonna complain about higher JJK, but it’s just a little….off to me. Basically vibes scaling but at least I’m willing to admit it
 
Da3ggman said:
Go with the scaling if you want, I sure as hell ain’t gonna complain about higher JJK, but it’s just a little….off to me. Basically vibes scaling but at least I’m willing to admit it
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I get what you mean. To be fair, I think if I went fully in-depth on this you would see why even from a vibe scaling standpoint it clicks.
 
LaserPrecision said:
Also you're exaggerating it with the "100x stronger in 5 minutes" when it's less than 10x stronger throughout all of Shibuya at the very least (Which considering he was fed like a stupid amount of fingers which impacts his growth drastically ain't much of a stretch).
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It's also genuinely canon that you get stronger through bad experiences

Yuji's had PLENTY of those
 
LaserPrecision said:
Yeah, but that can't be the case because Todo legit said he was falling behind the two and already said Yuji was stronger than him in the Goodwill Event, let alone Shibuya Yuji.
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If 10% Yuji was stronger than 100% Todo, difference between his(and subsequently Nanami, Kusakabe, Naobito) is even greater than tenfolds. It doesn't pass my vibe check at all
 
KingTempest said:
How the **** are yall getting 10% Yuji stronger than 100% Todo
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That one statement by Mahito that when he, Yuji, and Todo were fighting Mahito was at 40%, Yuji was at 10%, and Todo was at 100%. I don't really like it cause it kind of just makes scaling weird as hell
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
That one statement by Mahito that when he, Yuji, and Todo were fighting Mahito was at 40%, Yuji was at 10%, and Todo was at 100%. I don't really like it cause it kind of just makes scaling weird as hell
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It's always morally correct to discard statements if they make scaling weird. Gege prolly didn't intent for such to be treated as full health Yuji being ten times stronger than Todo.
Most likely it refers to their health/stamina or similar things. Yuji def was very exhausted by that point, Mahito was exhausted less, and Todo was practically fresh
 
Qurbonboev said:
If 10% Yuji was stronger than 100% Todo, difference between his(and subsequently Nanami, Kusakabe, Naobito) is even greater than tenfolds. It doesn't pass my vibe check at all
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If he's stronger I don't think it's by any significant margin. But I think he does do a little better than Todo in the 2v1 IIRC.
 
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