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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Thinking about when Gege made the ungliest and less impactful explosion ever
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LaserPrecision said:
Well yeah, Yuji was fighting on par with base Mahito, and Mahito had just landed another Black Flash of his own (Giving him another amp if we use the stacking) and was 2x stronger thanks to ISBODK. So needing his max power with Black Flash to one-shot ISBODK makes sense. A casual Black Flash prolly would've just hurt Mahito significantly and weakened him. But not one-shot.
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Fair.

LaserPrecision said:
Choso states Yuji is stronger near the end of their fight where he states just a few blows from Yuji almost put him out of commission (Yuji only landed 3-4 clean blows IIRC). And by the Culling Games I think Choso is an exceptional Grade 1 too tbh.
Tbf, Mai only saw him take out a Curse that wasn't all that. She didn't see his full power, and he's clearly not an average Grade 1 like that statement would suggest.
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That was Choso without flowing red scale stack, when he does it the end of the fight after taking alot of damage to 3 hits from Yuji he is able to trade blows, matching and blocking yuji's punches along with straight up taking one face on and one shotting Yuji right after. I doubt "Grade 1" Choso is pulling this against any special grade level physically specially considering grade 1 level curses from Kenjaku already overwhelm him completley.

Mei Mei thought said curse was "patchface" (Mahito) tho. Yuji only corrects her after calling him a grade 1 level. So Mei Mei thinks beating Base Mahito is a Grade 1 level feat (correct) but it's also elaborated by Yuji himself that if it WAS Mahito it wouldn't be as easy to beat him which wouldn't really make sense if said Mahito is 4x weaker than him. I do acknowledge that Yuji gets stronger throughout Shibuya but over 4x... eh?

LaserPrecision said:
Well keep In mind, the minimum requirement to be special Grade is Volume 0 Geto, and he's not really that impressive at all. His Maximum Technique is weaker than Granite Blast which Yuta can endure (And Yuta's Rika blast nearly killed Geto, and Rika's energy blast is weaker than Granite Blast which Yuta can survive). Yuta obviously got stronger since then, and Yuji can keep up with Yuta. So him being stronger than the weakest Special Grade by only 2x seems fine.
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The Yuji that keeps up with Yuta was much stronger than his Shibuya counterpart tho, Kenjaku strengthens him right at the end of Shibuya and he got way better control over his own CE to the point Choso calls him a demon god.
 
Damn, I just looked at some other general discussion threads realized how much we yap nonstop

1300+ pages of Lobotomies and Agenda
 
Mommyleona said:
True, though Yuji is shown to be superior
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True but Choso is still comparable to him. The current argument is if Yuji should scale to over 2x above ISBODK and baseline special grade sorcerers which... eh?

Mommyleona said:
that's really mostly about Choso's blood manipulation
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Which Kenjaku still considers grade 1 too so like

Mommyleona said:
Kenjaku could be downplaying... maybe
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Kenjaku would be lying, not even downplaying, cause he just used curses at that level against Choso and it overwhelmed him

Mommyleona said:
Beginning of Shibuya aint comparable to End of Shibuya

Yuji being stronger can be explained by him now containing 15 of Sukuna's fingers, which i think make him stronger, he also lands black flashes mid fight and it just noted to rapidly grow stronger in fights before
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I do agree that by the end of shibuya hes stronger but 10x over Todo, 4x over Base Mahito, 2x over ISBODK and baseline special grade sorcerers...? That seems kinda of a stretch
 
People arguing over High 7-C for high tiers being possible reminds me of how cooked this verse was at some point. Despiste not liking how high the tiers are becoming, it's still funny
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LIFE_OF_KING said:
People arguing how High 7-C for high tiers is possible reminds me of how cooked this verse was at some point. Despiste not liking how high the tiers are becoming, it's still funny
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The current argument for High 7-C is for Mahito and most shibuya characters not high tiers, high tiers would be 7-B via Kenjaku's blackhole feat and possibly Sukuna's 15F Cloud if the other timeframe ends up getting accepted
 
Rodriiogo said:
The current argument for High 7-C is for Mahito and most shibuya characters not high tiers, high tiers would be 7-B via Kenjaku's blackhole feat and possibly Sukuna's 15F Cloud if the other timeframe ends up getting accepted
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I think Mahito and such are high tiers. Top tiers would be special grade and heavy hitters. God tiers is just Sukuna, Gojo and Dabura (and prolly Itadori)
 
Rodriiogo said:
That was Choso without flowing red scale stack, when he does it the end of the fight after taking alot of damage to 3 hits from Yuji he is able to trade blows, matching and blocking yuji's punches along with straight up taking one face on and one shotting Yuji right after. I doubt "Grade 1" Choso is pulling this against any special grade level physically specially considering grade 1 level curses from Kenjaku already overwhelm him completley.
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In all fairness, Kenjaku says a "Grade 1 on YOUR level," implying Choso isn't an average Grade 1 level. Not to mention more goes into being Special Grade than pure raw physical stats. Let alone stats with amps (Stacks). Not to mention Kenny is shooting a metric shitload of Grade 1 amped Curses to actually do something to Choso. He didn't send out just 1 average Grade 1 level Curse.
Rodriiogo said:
Mei Mei thought said curse was "patchface" (Mahito) tho. Yuji only corrects her after calling him a grade 1 level. So Mei Mei thinks beating Base Mahito is a Grade 1 level feat (correct) but it's also elaborated by Yuji himself that if it WAS Mahito it wouldn't be as easy to beat him which wouldn't really make sense if said Mahito is 4x weaker than him. I do acknowledge that Yuji gets stronger throughout Shibuya but over 4x... eh?
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But Mei Mei doesn't know how strong Mahito is, and we know Mahito isn't beatable by normal Grade 1 levels, as explained with the Dagon scenario (Which also surprised Naobito. Because Special Grade Curse's typically aren't that cracked. Let alone one freshly born).

Beating someone 4x weaker isn't easy if said opponent is
1. Haxy
2. Is a trickster
3. Takes advantage of Yuji mentally to gain the upperhand
4. Has great regeneration and resilience even when taking damage to his soul
Rodriiogo said:
The Yuji that keeps up with Yuta was much stronger than his Shibuya counterpart tho, Kenjaku strengthens him right at the end of Shibuya and he got way better control over his own CE to the point Choso calls him a demon god.
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He's unquantifiably stronger than his Shibuya counterpart IIRC and hasn't fully recovered.
 
Mommyleona said:
i asked who it would be in comparison too, having "sloppy control" compared to Kusakabe doesnt tell much, he has better ce control than Yuji and Hakari too.
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Assuming he has better control doesn't change much. Even if he has better control his durability is on par with Yuji in Shinjuku so it's just shows his output is likely below Yuji (Shinjuku I'm talking about). Yuta's Durability= CE reserve + his output. Yuji's durability = his physical body + his own output. What I'm saying is output and control are different things.
Mommyleona said:
It's not being compared, but from Gojo's perspective, he would obv want the best out of Yuta, and he knows he has potential to be better
In the same panel it's made clear he's being extra harsh on Yuta
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See? Kusakabe did not consider Yuta's control sloppy to notify him
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It didn't say Kusakabe didn't notified them. Idk how you come to that conclusion. Gojo is just asking that. He might or might not have been. This was JJK0 Yuta lol. Later sloppy statement comes for Shinjuku showdown Yuta too. It just shows Yuta didn't cared to improve it. It's also to be noted Yuta doesn't even understand much about his RCT fully works he goes with Instinct. Gojo is obviously talking about Yuta having a good talent but wasted on him.
Mommyleona said:
"In general" uh huh, he has top 1 ce control in JJK high
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who's better exactly? kusakabe only?
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Miguel exists. Arguably, Naobito does as well—though I’m not sure. Idk from your own list Todo is also equal to Yuta.
Either way, since Todo’s Cursed Energy control and combat skills were taught by Yuki's which is listed be on par with Todo. She is also one of the few people who managed to learn Simple Domain, even if we ignore the Binding Vow aspect. She possesses a deeper understanding of souls than almost any other sorcerer, had sufficient skill to be accepted as a Special Grade–level sorcerer without disclosing her Cursed Technique, and learned Reverse Cursed Technique—something not everyone is capable of doing.
I don’t think we even need to debate her skill level here. She is clearly portrayed as having superior jujutsu knowledge and technical skill compared to most characters.
Mommyleona said:
she doesnt hate them gng
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She does there was even a statement in data book iirc
Mommyleona said:
Eh, maybe, JP doesnt guarantee a win
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It will. He can keep spamming his domain. His RCT surpasses Gojo and Sukuna's speed. Yuta doesn't have one shot techniques to put him down.
Mommyleona said:
But yuta still can use Rika to restrain Hakari like he did to Yuji
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He can except restrain ≠ Win. It's not enough to stop him spamming his domain. Not to mention Hakari knows about Rika I'm not seeing him Falling for that Cheap Trick. Hakari has higher possibility of hitting JP.

Again that second only to Gojo being a auto win is clear headcanon even if you argue he has a skill that doesn't mean he beats everyone.
Mommyleona said:
I also found another proof that supernatural abilities = everything that makes you a sorcerer
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To be fair isn't this talking about CT? It doesn't seem to be talking about everything.
Mommyleona said:
Kenjaku doesnt have any scaling to be above Yuta in durability tho
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Getos physical was able to move around and clash with Rika and Yuta and Took a off-guard hit from Yuta too. Assuming it's BF and Geto survived. I think you can pretty much say Yuta durability is comparable to Geto (whose body Kenjaku has)
Mommyleona said:
She would still have an idea on how strong both of them are
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There are several cases where Maki has shown hostility toward Hakari. Also, you are acting like her defending her boyfriend is “not a crazy thing” 😭. And no—send me proof that she actually knows the strength of others. She couldn’t even accurately assess how fast or strong Naobito was, and he was only a Grade 1 sorcerer. I don’t see any indication that she was capable of gauging the power of Special Grade–level opponents. Obviously, before her awakening, she has no credibility in this regard.
Mommyleona said:
What does that change?
And again that's weak evidence on its own
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That's not weak evidence when you look at Gojo's comparision between two. Both Yuta and Hakari are compared to one another on several cases. Even in final arc both are compared to each other. It's not far fetched to tell Yuta was really telling the truth.
 
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Gokukid2005 said:
Real quick, Kenny says that cause he's still under the assumption that everything special about Yuta comes from Rika.
When we later learn both his ability to copy techniques and his CE amount are special to him, even without Rika.
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Both Rika and Yuta have roughly the same level of strength, though Rika might be slightly stronger. I don’t think Kenjaku lacks knowledge about Yuta, especially when it has already been six months to a year since Yuta regained his Special Grade status?. Do you really think Kenjaku wasn’t aware that Yuta possesses an enormous Cursed Energy reserve on his own, regardless of whether he believed it came from Rika or not?
How is it even relevant that Kenjaku thinks Yuta can’t beat him? He was afraid of Gojo. When Gojo suggested that Yuta could defeat him, Kenjaku dismissed Yuta as unimpressive and claimed he couldn’t become the next Gojo, essentially saying he wasn’t worth worrying about. Kenjaku understands his own advantages and disadvantages.
 
LaserPrecision said:
In all fairness, Kenjaku says a "Grade 1 on YOUR level," implying Choso isn't an average Grade 1 level. Not to mention more goes into being Special Grade than pure raw physical stats. Let alone stats with amps (Stacks). Not to mention Kenny is shooting a metric shitload of Grade 1 amped Curses to actually do something to Choso. He didn't send out just 1 average Grade 1 level Curse.
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Yea I'm not saying that, but a grade 1 shouldn't be on par with a special grade. Jogo fried 3 grades 1s on his own and we see that the difference between Naoya ("Special" Grade 1) and Yuta (Special Grade) is still high. Yes Yuta isn't the average special grade (probably) but Naoya isn't the average grade 1 either.

LaserPrecision said:
But Mei Mei doesn't know how strong Mahito is, and we know Mahito isn't beatable by normal Grade 1 levels, as explained with the Dagon scenario (Which also surprised Naobito. Because Special Grade Curse's typically aren't that cracked. Let alone one freshly born).
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Wouldn't mei mei already know the disaster curses' power via his birds?

LaserPrecision said:
Beating someone 4x weaker isn't easy if said opponent is
1. Haxy
2. Is a trickster
3. Takes advantage of Yuji mentally to gain the upperhand
4. Has great regeneration and resilience even when taking damage to his soul
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I mean considering the idea that he is somehow 4x stronger, a single black flash at fp would send Mahito to meet Hanami since Yuji already knows he hurts his soul by this point.

LaserPrecision said:
He's unquantifiably stronger than his Shibuya counterpart IIRC and hasn't fully recovered.
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He's still stronger and even then the yuta that he fights is one that is putting up an act and not actually trying that was just him playing around. (Hence why culling games yuji is 8-A and does not scale to Yuta, aka 7-C, even in the current pages)
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
I wish but We can't give abilities based on headcanon (That bum remains Domain-less+RCTless)
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Apotheosis69 said:
No, he absolutely would've used it against Yuta. Period

I do think Womb Profusion is based on Geto's CS Manipulation, it doesn't mean that HE HIMSELF had it.
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There was a statement for him having chances against JJK0 Gojo assuming he had his bets on Sure hit i don't think it's far fetched for him to bypass infinity (,not saying he beats Gojo). He was trying to absorb Rika so I don't think he would spam and destroy that thing? It's not like not all characters can control sure hit Target
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
There was a statement for him having chances against JJK0 Gojo assuming he had his bets on Sure hit i don't think it's far fetched for him to bypass infinity (,not saying he beats Gojo). He was trying to absorb Rika so I don't think he would spam and destroy that thing? It's not like not all characters can control sure hit Target
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Can we hypothesis he has a domain? Sure. Can we say what it is? No since we have nothing.
Even if we put it on profile, it'd be just like every unshown domains where we say that have it but it helps jack in a matchup since we have no idea what it does
 
Anonymous_Learner said:
Can we hypothesis he has a domain? Sure. Can we say what it is? No since we have nothing.
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I mean how do you explain him bypassing infinity then?
Anonymous_Learner said:
Even if we put it on profile, it'd be just like every unshown domains where we say that have it but it helps jack in a matchup since we have no idea what it does
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Well it's useless for most inverse but you can argue for crossovers about him locking that target inside and spamming Uzumaki or something
 
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