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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

How much damage he took from it, compared to say, normal punches and BF from Todo and Yuji? If it was very serious damage, you could just downscale Mahito(and others disasters) by x2.5 from year charge. Special grade output being x5 times disasters sounds about alright
Only visible damage is burns on his face that he heals after
 
If Tengen is being used as a reliable source by you, yeah
Tengen never stated anything about Choso being on par with Yuta or Yuki. Even during the planning, they only sent Choso to gather information on Kenny. Yuki was always the endgame meant to fight him. You’re making things up about Tengen thinking Choso was on par with Yuta and Yuki. Are you really telling me that the best barrier user in the verse can’t even tell the difference in cursed energy reinforcement between all three? Good luck with that. It’s really hard to argue with Yuta fans who don’t read the series.
 
Tengen never stated anything about Choso being on par with Yuta or Yuki
Tengen never stated anything about Yuta or Yuki being on par with each other either?
Even during the planning, they only sent Choso to gather information on Kenny. Yuki was always the endgame meant to fight him.
and what if Yuki and Yuta chose to stay?
Are you really telling me that the best barrier user in the verse can’t even tell the difference in cursed energy reinforcement between all three?
No im just showing that your argument is wrong and comes from headcanon, Tengen's statement doesnt prove anything, that's the point
It’s really hard to argue with Yuta fans who don’t read the series.
the guy who has Maki like 6-7 tiers below the rest of HH btw
 
again from Gojo's perspective, who does Gojo praise for their ce control in order for us to make any comparisons?
Kusakabe 😞 heck there is Miguel. But whatever
Looking at his performance in Sendai it's really not headcanon, his only competition is Yuki and Hakari ig
JP Hakari got a statement about being stronger than Yuta, and this was Yuta with only his copy technique, Cursed Speech, and some cursed tools. You can’t say Yuta would always win in a head-on fight against opponents like Yuki and Hakari, especially when Kenjaku is equal to, if not stronger than, Yuta. While he himself weaker than Yuki due to her CT. My whole point is that it’s headcanon to claim Yuta is the second strongest based solely on that “unusual abilities” scan.
Tengen never stated anything about Yuta or Yuki being on par with each other either?

and what if Yuki and Yuta chose to stay?
No im just showing that your argument is wrong and comes from headcanon, Tengen's statement doesnt prove anything, that's the point
I’m pretty sure Tengen considered that, but I get why you think that way. If both had stayed, it would have been in Tengen’s favor. Either way, it doesn’t change the fact that Choso was still used as bait to gather information.
the guy who has Maki like 6-7 tiers below the rest of HH btw
Show me where it was mentioned all HH are equal? I concede otherwise it's your headcanon they are equal.
 
Kusakabe prob has top 10 ce control, he trained yuji ce control in the time skip and the only grade 1 without ct
heck there is Miguel
Miguel's statement is weird
JP Hakari got a statement about being stronger than Yuta, and this was Yuta with only his copy technique, Cursed Speech, and some cursed tools.
I know you disregard Maki's disagreement, but i think it's there purposefully to not make things clear on who's stronger, the statement is also when hakari is "on a roll", which means Yuta could put him down before that
You can’t say Yuta would always win in a head-on fight against opponents like Yuki and Hakari
I mean yeah? its a high maybe extreme diff fight, i didnt deny that? Top tier vs Top tier cant be an easy fight
especially when Kenjaku is equal to, if not stronger than, Yuta. While he himself weaker than Yuki due to her CT
Kenjaku is stronger than Yuta, and he's weaker than Yuki only in striking strength due to her ct
My whole point is that it’s headcanon to claim Yuta is the second strongest based solely on that “unusual abilities” scan.
But putting Hakari over Yuta based solely on Yuta's humble glaze of Hakari that is rejected by Maki instantly isnt?
I’m pretty sure Tengen considered that, but I get why you think that way
Thanks
Either way, it doesn’t change the fact that Choso was still used as bait to gather information.
He was also used to surprise jump Kenjaku later



I will ignore the last part
 
Guys, I'm curious, does the black hole created in the Kenjaku and Yuki fight not produce any speed feat?
 
Perception is for activating or noticing events.
Well yeah thats what happens here. Its a perception speed feat becuase there isnt any speed you can get from it, but there is a time you can get.
I was wondering if you put it for him activating his ce reinforcement to withstand it.
Not really, just for using his strength to start withstanding the black hole

Dawg im pretty sure the blog already says this
 
Well yeah thats what happens here. Its a perception speed feat becuase there isnt any speed you can get from it, but there is a time you can get.

Not really, just for using his strength to start withstanding the black hole

Dawg im pretty sure the blog already says this
Yo just saying incase you missed it, not sure if the Gojo opening his domain feat is calcable/valid cause it seems like infinity just stopped it considering Yuji moved between shots and you can hear Jogo react to the attack failing
 
But it does
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alr then, next CRT after the other one passes ig.

hmm, well we got Gojo and Sukuna regain output after each BF and we have Yuji literally stated to be getting stronger so I think it should stack. I just don't know if it'd be the same boost
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Oh shoot, that honestly changes things.

Though I do think each post-Black Flash CE amp would be additive to each other
 
Yo just saying incase you missed it, not sure if the Gojo opening his domain feat is calcable/valid cause it seems like infinity just stopped it considering Yuji moved between shots and you can hear Jogo react to the attack failing
Domain expansion should negate infinity? But the other concerns are valid
 
Kusakabe prob has top 10 ce control, he trained yuji ce control in the time skip and the only grade 1 without ct

Miguel's statement is weird
You asked for CE reinforcement characters, and I gave them. Yuta has sloppy control—that’s the whole point, and it has nothing to do with being compared to Gojo. Even Gojo said, “Didn’t Kusakabe inform Yuta about his sloppy control?” It’s clearly talking about a skill issue compared to others in general, not just Gojo. Again I'm not saying he can't output on SG level but it's not best next to Gojo.
I know you disregard Maki's disagreement, but i think it's there purposefully to not make things clear on who's stronger, the statement is also when hakari is "on a roll", which means Yuta could put him down before that
We are not buying pre Awakened maki with hater agenda for 3rd years.
I mean yeah? its a high maybe extreme diff fight, i didnt deny that? Top tier vs Top tier cant be an easy fight
The thing is, Hakari has extreme luck, which allows him to hit Jackpot much faster than Yuta can achieve that. I already said that the statement applies to Yuta only when he has Cursed Speech and Rika/cursed tools. In a domain clash, Hakari wins at this stage due to having a faster sure-hit domain. Yuta needs to summon Rika to even use Cursed Speech and other tools. Base Hakari’s and Yuta’s speed shouldn’t be far apart, since both were comparable to Yuji’s speed.
So that second only to Gojo in supernatural powers or abilities doesn't mean he always wins
Kenjaku is stronger than Yuta, and he's weaker than Yuki only in striking strength due to her ct
His physical AP also doesn’t go beyond Yuki’s durability; he needed a Mini Uzumaki for that. So while Yuki has higher striking strength, her durability should be comparable to Kenny’s physical attacks. They are almost comparable.
But putting Hakari over Yuta based solely on Yuta's humble glaze of Hakari that is rejected by Maki instantly isnt?
Maki a hater of Hakari? Also, this is pre-awakened Maki with half-baked knowledge of Jujutsu. If Yuta were really being humble, he could have said that base Hakari himself is stronger than him, without specifying a particular state. Also, there are other statements that are interchangeable between Yuta and Hakari due to Gojo.
 
Yeah I think the worst part is Hanami saying that even without black flashes they're still harming them but like, chip damage or something maybe a bit above is still damage. I think them at least downscaling or going off the 1 year charge isn't that insane all things considered.

Even for Dagon the dude was doing stuff like taking virtually no damage from overtime ratio hits and not a lot of damage from the others and the main thing that did a lot of damage prior to Toji, at least from what I remember, was Maki with playful cloud which did similar damage as what Maki did to Hanami with playful cloud
There was a pretty big difference in damage with Maki using Playful Cloud. Hanami's arm only got dented, whereas Dagon's arm got "cut"(and wasn't it both of his arms?)

though Dagon's thing isn't durability, it's survivability, he has a ton of "HP" and attacks that are typically fatal just kinda aren't to him (he was gonna keep fighting after being stabbed through the brain lmao)
 
You asked for CE reinforcement characters, and I gave them.
i asked who it would be in comparison too, having "sloppy control" compared to Kusakabe doesnt tell much, he has better ce control than Yuji and Hakari too.
and it has nothing to do with being compared to Gojo
It's not being compared, but from Gojo's perspective, he would obv want the best out of Yuta, and he knows he has potential to be better
In the same panel it's made clear he's being extra harsh on Yuta
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Even Gojo said, “Didn’t Kusakabe inform Yuta about his sloppy control?”
See? Kusakabe did not consider Yuta's control sloppy to notify him
It’s clearly talking about a skill issue compared to others in general, not just Gojo
"In general" uh huh, he has top 1 ce control in JJK high
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Again I'm not saying he can't output on SG level but it's not best next to Gojo.
who's better exactly? kusakabe only?
We are not buying pre Awakened maki with hater agenda for 3rd years.
she doesnt hate them gng

The thing is, Hakari has extreme luck, which allows him to hit Jackpot much faster than Yuta can achieve that. I already said that the statement applies to Yuta only when he has Cursed Speech and Rika/cursed tools.
Eh, maybe, JP doesnt guarantee a win
Base Hakari’s and Yuta’s speed shouldn’t be far apart, since both were comparable to Yuji’s speed.
But yuta still can use Rika to restrain Hakari like he did to Yuji
So that second only to Gojo in supernatural powers or abilities doesn't mean he always wins
I also found another proof that supernatural abilities = everything that makes you a sorcerer
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His physical AP also doesn’t go beyond Yuki’s durability; he needed a Mini Uzumaki for that. So while Yuki has higher striking strength, her durability should be comparable to Kenny’s physical attacks. They are almost comparable.
Kenjaku doesnt have any scaling to be above Yuta in durability tho
Maki a hater of Hakari? Also, this is pre-awakened Maki with half-baked knowledge of Jujutsu.
She would still have an idea on how strong both of them are
If Yuta were really being humble, he could have said that base Hakari himself is stronger than him, without specifying a particular state.
What does that change?
And again that's weak evidence on its own
 
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I thought even without the right trans, it was always that Yuta just had huge ce that made him durable since Yuji also says as much.

Also I really don't get where Gojo is saying it only in his perspective Yuta has sloppy control, that's just something people ran with without anything backing it up.
I always figured this was saying hitting Yuta is like hitting a hard water balloon. You ever tried to punch a water balloon lmfao
 
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