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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

He does
That's what Ryu noted in their fight

Gojo is tougher on Yuta than on the other students, Kusakabe who has exceptional cursed energy manipulation didn't notice it's bad. It's only bad to Gojo cause he believes Yuta is more blessed than him and should be taking advantage of it
He talked about he is blessed but his CE control is sloppy.
Yuta and Todo has the best CE usage among students (iirc it included CT so I don't know how much that took into account, although there's an argument to be had that the higher up didn't know about his technique because they believed he lost Rika)
Show me the chart showing Yuki in it.
Jujustu isn't only reinforcement tho, it includes barrier techniques, Shikigami, CT, CE manipulation, efficiency and the rest
You can be weaker than somebody physically but still win in a fight against them

What that statement means is that taking everything related to jujustu into account, Yuta is second only to gojo
Meaning he would win against any sorcerer not named gojo in the modern era (ignoring special cases like hakari on a roll)
It's states supernatural powers/abilities. We have another statement from Kenny calling him not intresting with that stuff.
Yuta himself admits JP Hakari is stronger than him. JP got statement for both output and Storage for his state whole Yuta case Ryu mentioned about CE reserve acting as good defense.
 
Calling Hakari special case when Yuki also didn't show much of her abilities to Jujutsu high 😐😐
Ignoring the fact Yuta and Yuki were twice interchangeable by Tengen and Maki statements. While Yuki got praised by Kenny same guy who thought Yuta as nothing interesting 🙄
You people are just ignoring narrative and going with "Supernatural abilities/powers" statement as solid wincon for Yuta. Where it didn't even stated anything about him winning the fight against every modern day Sorcerers.
 
He talked about he is blessed but his CE control is sloppy.
To Gojo
Show me the chart showing Yuki in it.
You literally called his shit bad
Why should I show you a chart of Yuki?
It's states supernatural powers/abilities. We have another statement from Kenny calling him not intresting with that stuff.
Yuta himself admits JP Hakari is stronger than him. JP got statement for both output and Storage for his state whole Yuta case Ryu mentioned about CE reserve acting as good defense.
Already addressed that Supernatural powers/ abilities refers to jujustu

Putting words in kenjaku mouth?
He says Yuta won't become the next gojo and his bag is because he detained Rika's soul
Not his abilities are unintresting

Nope he says hakari on a roll is stronger than him
Getting multiple jackpots would eventually put hakari above him

Like when Hakari was getting faster as time went on against Kashimo
Hence he's a special case which needs certain variables to work

Ryu never said that shit
What Ryu said is that he reinforces his body with his large amounts of cursed energy and likened him to a large water tank

Large amounts of cursed energy doesn't matter when he can't reinforce himself with it

And even logically that's insane
Yuta had large amounts of cursed energy since he was little
Special grade bully?
 
Calling Hakari special case when Yuki also didn't show much of her abilities to Jujutsu high 😐😐
Ignoring the fact Yuta and Yuki were twice interchangeable by Tengen and Maki statements. While Yuki got praised by Kenny same guy who thought Yuta as nothing interesting 🙄
You people are just ignoring narrative and going with "Supernatural abilities/powers" statement as solid wincon for Yuta. Where it didn't even stated anything about him winning the fight against every modern day Sorcerers.
Booty argument NGL
Hakari is a special case because of its not a normal mode he can access and because Yuta literally puts him above

Neither did Yuta
Kenny never said that bro, why are you still pushing it?
Also kenjaku calls their fight unintresting as well
Same tengen who switched choso as well
Choso upscale?

Bro this shit IS the narrative
What are you doing?
The fact he's second to only gojo jujustu in the modern era means he wins in a jujustu battle norms
 
We see two instances where it was mentioned one when Maki didn't had scars and second one before Shinjuku showdown. So obviously Yuta's CE control didn't got improved much between that. I mean he has SG level control I never said he doesn't have that. So stop trying to put words in my mouth. I said bad in a sense his is not the best like you are making it seem
You literally called his shit bad
Why should I show you a chart of Yuki?
Not saying he can't reinforce himself on SG level. I'm saying he is definitely not best when comes to that stuff. Gojo calls his control sloppy.
Seems like you are skipping what I said and going with your own arguments for the sake of arguing.
Already addressed that Supernatural powers/ abilities refers to jujustu
Doesn't matter that didn't say he would beat everyone in a fight. That's your headcanon lines
Putting words in kenjaku mouth?
He says Yuta won't become the next gojo and his bag is because he detained Rika's soul
Not his abilities are unintresting
He said "I don't see what everyone sees in him" feels like it's uninteresting enough words from his side. That's come up when Gojo suggested Yuta would beat Kenny. So he is denying that fact.
Nope he says hakari on a roll is stronger than him
Getting multiple jackpots would eventually put hakari above him

Like when Hakari was getting faster as time went on against Kashimo
Hence he's a special case which needs certain variables to work
He did not say Hakari is stronger when times went on. He said he is stronger in roll. Nothing states anything about multiple jackpot making him stronger.
Ryu never said that shit
What Ryu said is that he reinforces his body with his large amounts of cursed energy and likened him to a large water tank
Send the scan where it states reinforce from Ryu's mouth.
Large amounts of cursed energy doesn't matter when he can't reinforce himself with it

And even logically that's insane
Yuta had large amounts of cursed energy since he was little
Special grade bully?
I already addressed this you are just bringing up stuff I never claimed. Show me where I said he can't reinforce himself on SG?
Booty argument NGL
Hakari is a special case because of its not a normal mode he can access and because Yuta literally puts him above
Yuki literally has ability to punch through reinforcements like Kenjaku and his Cursed spirits like nothing. It's not normal either it's also CT.
Neither did Yuta
Kenny never said that bro, why are you still pushing it?
Same tengen who switched choso as well
Choso upscale?
Choso was for a distraction. Yuki and Tengen Acknowledged he would die. So your arguments doesn't hold any weight here. They never claimed Choso is on par with Yuki or Yuta.
Bro this shit IS the narrative
What are you doing?
The fact he's second to only gojo jujustu in the modern era means he wins in a jujustu battle norms
Headcanon line. Nowhere states he wins the fight.

Can you send me the line for Jujutsu in that because all I'm seeing is Supernatural abilities
 
We see two instances where it was mentioned one when Maki didn't had scars and second one before Shinjuku showdown. So obviously Yuta's CE control didn't got improved much between that. I mean he has SG level control I never said he doesn't have that. So stop trying to put words in my mouth. I said bad in a sense his is not the best like you are making it seem
Fighting nonexistent things
Never said he was the best, let's be honest
Only his shit isn't bad

And you never said anything about SG level control in your original post, only when @KingTempest called you out that's when you did
Seems like you are skipping what I said and going with your own arguments for the sake of arguing.
That's just wrong from you ngl
That's literally a reply to someone else
Doesn't matter that didn't say he would beat everyone in a fight. That's your headcanon lines
No it's a logical interpretation of what it means to be better in jujustu than everyone else apart from Gojo

In a jujustu battle he would be the winner
He said "I don't see what everyone sees in him" feels like it's uninteresting enough words from his side. That's come up when Gojo suggested Yuta would beat Kenny. So he is denying that fact.
And what does beating Kenny has to do with beating than Yuki?
Correlation? I think not
He did not say Hakari is stronger when times went on. He said he is stronger in roll. Nothing states anything about multiple jackpot making him stronger.
Do you even know what "on a roll" means bro?
It means having a winning streak, a lucky period or repeated wins
You don't get on a roll via winning a jackpot once

Hence why hakari gets faster after more Jackpots
Send the scan where it states reinforce from Ryu's mouth.

I already addressed this you are just bringing up stuff I never claimed. Show me where I said he can't reinforce himself on SG?
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You only addressed it to another person in another argument
Have shame
Yuki literally has ability to punch through reinforcements like Kenjaku and his Cursed spirits like nothing. It's not normal either it's also CT.
Good for her 👍 👍 👍
Also irrelevant since that doesn't affect my statement
She can easily access her CT
Choso was for a distraction. Yuki and Tengen Acknowledged he would die. So your arguments doesn't hold any weight here. They never claimed Choso is on par with Yuki or Yuta.
He wasn't a distraction, he went there to gather information on Kenjaku abilities and he fulfilled his mission

He would die because he was fighting kenjaku on his own not because he couldn't hang in that fight

Neither did Tengen for Yuta and Yuki
Only Maki did so and she said on the same level
Headcanon line. Nowhere states he wins the fight.

Can you send me the line for Jujutsu in that because all I'm seeing is Supernatural abilities
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Second to Gojo in jujustu abilities
 
Fighting nonexistent things
Never said he was the best, let's be honest
Only his shit isn't bad

And you never said anything about SG level control in your original post, only when @KingTempest called you out that's when you did

That's just wrong from you ngl
That's literally a reply to someone else
In my original reply, I never said he doesn’t have special-grade–level reinforcements either. You just assumed I said that.
Either way, if you’re agreeing that he doesn’t have the best reinforcements next to Gojo, that just proves my point.
No it's a logical interpretation of what it means to be better in jujustu than everyone else apart from Gojo

In a jujustu battle he would be the winner
There’s no logical interpretation beyond it talking about abilities. The Lightning scan below says jujutsu abilities.
Also, it didn’t even have the kanji for jujutsu like you claimed.

Assuming it is meant to be Jujutsu abilities it's nowhere near enough to say it's a auto wincon.
And what does beating Kenny has to do with beating than Yuki?
Correlation? I think not
Yuki and Kenjaku have relative scaling. Kenjaku wasn’t sure he could beat her using Curse Manipulation alone, so he resorted to sneaking in on her.
Do you even know what "on a roll" means bro?
It means having a winning streak, a lucky period or repeated wins
You don't get on a roll via winning a jackpot once

Hence why hakari gets faster after more Jackpots
He didn’t get faster after getting more jackpots; he got faster toward the end of the jackpot. Kashimo was able to keep up initially, but he got overwhelmed at the end.
The same thing happened in the previous round. Heck, I’d even say Hakari had the upper hand in the previous round, but whatever.
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You only addressed it to another person in another argument
Have shame
Damn, are we pulling Werry translations now? Can you bring in the raws?
Or wait—I’ll check it myself. TCB mentioned it was his CE reserves.
Good for her 👍 👍 👍
Also irrelevant since that doesn't affect my statement
She can easily access her CT
Your whole argument is that Hakari is a special case because of his abilities, so that should apply to her as well.
He wasn't a distraction, he went there to gather information on Kenjaku abilities and he fulfilled his mission

He would die because he was fighting kenjaku on his own not because he couldn't hang in that fight
Your argument makes it seem like they were comparing Choso to Yuta or Yuki—Tengen had three members, two of whom were meant to protect him.
I’m pointing out that just because Choso was asked to be there doesn’t mean he scales to either of them.
Logically, it just means Yuki or Yuta can make up for the gap, not Choso.
Neither did Tengen for Yuta and Yuki
Only Maki did so and she said on the same level
Yeah, because it’s the logical way of saying both are interchangeable. This was Tengen, who didn't even knew Yuki’s CT, arguably.
Are you saying Tengen, who has lived for years, wouldn’t know how to check cursed energy reinforcement well enough to judge whether Yuki and Yuta are comparable?
Ignore Maki—she’s a bum. Still, this was awakened Maki.
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Second to Gojo in jujustu abilities
The kanji says supernatural abilities. It’s Lightning who’s saying it refers to jujutsu abilities, so no—that’s not definitive.
The same guy also said Hakari ripped off Uraume’s head. That’s his own POV; it’s not Gege’s words.
He is a good translator, though, so we can take his translation and then interpret it based on how the narrative goes.
Either way this is nowhere states anything about auto win for Yuta.
 
Just remembered @Arkenis giggling at Yuta hate like one @EldemadeDityjon post won't send Maki to 8-A
Left panel:
バカでかい水槽を
ノッキングしているようだ!!
Middle panel:
呪力の総量に
裏づけられた
耐久力!!
Screenshoted and used GPt to extract the raws. This is what I got
Left panel:
“I see—so you’re like a water tank with a stupidly huge capacity!!”
Middle panel:
“Durability backed by the total amount of cursed energy…!!”
 
Screenshoted and used GPt to extract the raws. This is what I got
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I thought even without the right trans, it was always that Yuta just had huge ce that made him durable since Yuji also says as much.

Also I really don't get where Gojo is saying it only in his perspective Yuta has sloppy control, that's just something people ran with without anything backing it up.
 
Hmm, Pre-awakened Yuji was getting mostly bodied from non-interested Sukuna cleaves and get really cut by dismantles similarly to Domain Amped Yuta, Post awakening not only survives cleave to the head when Sukuna states that it would leave a fatal blow on someone like Ryu, Domain Amped Yuta, and his pre-awakened self but also tanks a Sukuna BF (which is currently accepted as a 2.5x multiplier) with Sukuna getting angrier and angrier as the fight goes on
But that Sukuna is also vastly weaker than before
 
Isn't the 120% thing only a temporary increase? I never really considered the possibility of it being permanent.
yeah it is, it's described as the "zone" by Nanami, basically extra locked in state mid fight
All this talk about Awakening Yuji scaling and he has genuinely nothing on profile (Yuji's Town level scaling being a "possibility" while Maki's getting it definitively💔)
Next year is the year of Yuji's rightful upscale, trust
I wanna do it with Kashimo downgrade 🙏
but the output increase is likely permanent and stacks
nah that's a BIG headcanon, nothing ever implies you get permanently buffed beyond deeper understanding of CE
Jogo is a pure glass cannon with good speed which makes him "strong
from actual feats he isnt, legit only thing holding back his dura is an outdated statement
Why are we treating Disaster Curses the same as normal Special Grade Curses when they are noted to be exceptional amongst even Special Grade Curses, and Naobito explicitly stated it was incredible that Dagon who was a newborn Special Grade was so strong that even 3 Sorcerer's couldn't exorcise it.

They clearly aren't average Special Grade Curse's who Grade 1 Sorcerer's can beat in 1v1's.
Exactly!!
but Dagon was a newborn, and hanami took 5 black flashes from a grade 1 level sorcerer and was... fine. Damaged, to an unquantifiable extent, but still fine. She lands 1 hit on Yuji and there's a huge KRRRAACK sound effect with it and next we see his mouth is bleeding pretty badly.
Yeah and Hanami is stated to be more durable than Curse Naoya, who directly scales to awakened Maki
 
How would that even work? Isn't the domain attacks a surehit (Gojo's arm was steaming at destroying a rock from Jogo's domain)?
Not sure but Jogo makes a noise reacting to the attack stopping in the anime (that video cuts it out) and Yuji straight up moves so I’m not entirely sure
 
Yuji scales 20% above everyone in base already from scaling to Domain Amped Yuta too
Not really he's clearly a bit below Yuta at that point
Jujutsu is literally abilities nothing specific about physical sts.
No lol, Jujutsu includes CE, output, which is stats
I mentioned calc stuff which I've now talked about with other people, but who wants to talk about stuff like revising the Cursed Energy Manipulation page? Black Flash talk stuff can be covered there too ofc, hence why I mentioned it again. I don't mind either doing a GC here or on cord.
i wanna ✋
Ignoring the fact Yuta and Yuki were twice interchangeable by Tengen and Maki statements
and Choso...
While Yuki got praised by Kenny same guy who thought Yuta as nothing interesting
Literally described their whole fight, including Choso and Tengen as a "warm up"
 
Not really he's clearly a bit below Yuta at that point

No lol, Jujutsu includes CE, output, which is stats

i wanna ✋

and Choso...

Literally described their whole fight, including Choso and Tengen as a "warm up"
Mommy, read the entire thing. Stop repeating the same arguments that were already addressed. Choso was never stated to be on par with Yuta or Yuki. He was an extra; it was among three, and two were supposed to stay behind and protect Tengen, so obviously either Yuta or Yuki could make up for the other.
Also, it’s not Jujutsu but supernatural abilities/powers. That’s what the kanji translates to. We know he had an enormous CE reserve, Rika with her own RCT and storage, on top of the copy technique. It’s far more likely that it was referring to his abilities overall, in comparison to Gojo. That was never made clear.
In fact, Gojo constantly calls Yuta’s CE control sloppy, while Ryu only talks about Yuta’s defense being based on his CE reserves. Nothing really points to it referring specifically to output or CE reinforcement. It could be anything that’s out of the ordinary. Either way, even if it is about abilities, it doesn’t mean he would win every fight in the modern era. That’s pure headcanon.
 
yall be asking for raws like the translator read "You're ugly" and retranslated it as "Your power is unmatched"
 
Mommy, read the entire thing.
i didd
Choso was never stated to be on par with Yuta or Yuki. He was an extra; it was among three, and two were supposed to stay behind and protect Tengen, so obviously either Yuta or Yuki could make up for the other.
"Obviously" no it isnt, you're just making up headcanon from stuff that isnt there, maybe atleast use Maki's statement next time, because Tengen's does NOT portray Choso as an extra in any way at all

Also, it’s not Jujutsu but supernatural abilities/powers.
copium and nothing else, jujutsu = supernatural powers, that's literally the same thing, a guy having super speed, super strength etc are ALSO all fall under powers
That’s what the kanji translates to.
and? we're reading this in a context of the manga about people with supernatural powers called jujutsu, raw translation =/= correct meaning in the context
We know he had an enormous CE reserve, Rika with her own RCT and storage, on top of the copy technique. It’s far more likely that it was referring to his abilities overall, in comparison to Gojo
why cant it refer to everything? we have nothing disproving it, so why are you so stubborn on it being ONLY abilities for some reason?
occam's razor
In fact, Gojo constantly calls Yuta’s CE control sloppy,
again from Gojo's perspective, who does Gojo praise for their ce control in order for us to make any comparisons?
while Ryu only talks about Yuta’s defense being based on his CE reserves. Nothing really points to it referring specifically to output or CE reinforcement.
Yeah because Yuta can protect his whole body at all times we already know that, if it was just his ce reserves his dura would be the same as before he even joined JJK high, as you cant increase your ce reserves via any normal means
Either way, even if it is about abilities, it doesn’t mean he would win every fight in the modern era. That’s pure headcanon.
Looking at his performance in Sendai it's really not headcanon, his only competition is Yuki and Hakari ig
 
Just got off work and checked the chapters again, yeah Mahito took a direct 1 year charge but none of the other ones hit from what I can tell. Other than that it was just simple domain hits or punches
How much damage he took from it, compared to say, normal punches and BF from Todo and Yuji? If it was very serious damage, you could just downscale Mahito(and others disasters) by x2.5 from year charge. Special grade output being x5 times disasters sounds about alright
 
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