All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[Eden5Zeroo]

I honestly feel bad for Goku. Hes like a big fish surrounded by massive orcas and blue whales. His only real advantage is that he had elite trainers from the start and learned to train smart. Those "bigger fish" didnt have that luxury ... and honestly, at their leve .... they dont even need the same training Goku had. In my headcanon, they only need to be good enough in skills A, B, and C, while focusing entirely on mastering skills X, Y, and Z. But this here is more a what if direction ...

Just look at Vegeta... I cant post the scans right now, but Vegeta has him beaten in terms of raw talent, years of experience, and the sheer number of deadly battles (60,000+). He simply has the better genes. In their first fight, he lacked Ki sensing, but IMO thats like having good positioning in a video game... its just one specific subset of skill, not the whole picture. There are other attributes just as good or even better. Vegeta was simply the deadlier fighter. But Vegeta has flaws, just like the other top Saiyans like Broly and Gohan.

Just imagine if Vegeta, Broly, Gohan, or even Frieza had followed Goku’s training path since day one?? XD

Not trying to shit on Goku!!! What he lacks, he makes up for with smart training and being more stubborn than a mule :--)

 

[Jinsama]

do people miss me here?

sure for the sole fact that larou gets chin checked by z goku

super goku aint needed


ive played so many 2010 video games like bruh the last few months just for the lulz, i can confirm that the video game scene peaked 15+ years ago

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Grand Priest & Other Stuff: Universe Survival Saga Reanalysis

Honestly, I’ve been thinking about this continuously, and maybe this sounds reasonable even though some of this wasn’t accepted in previous threads. I want to bring it up again a little and draw a conclusion together with the main topic. In the Anime, we never explicitly see, like in the Manga...

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[Nullflowerblush]

Why the **** do they have Adaptation? Why would 17 have Resistance to Gravity Manipulation? It's called Lifting Strength. You shouldn't get a special ability for sustaining your own body weight under increased gravity. That's called a Lifting Strength feat. It's in the ******* page.

Lifting Strength is defined as the mass that an individual can lift on Earth. In other words, it measures the amount of upward force a character can produce.

Nobody's resisting anything. They can still be affected by Gravity Manipulation if said gravity exceeds their current strength level. They shouldn't get Adaptation for training; if that were the case, everybody would get it. Then again, the Wiki accepts Accelerated Development as an innate ability for Ki users so.

 

[SwordLegendz01]

Why the ** do they have Adaptation? Why would 17 have Resistance to Gravity Manipulation? It's called Lifting Strength. You shouldn't get a special ability for sustaining your own body weight under increased gravity. That's called a Lifting Strength feat. It's in the ***** page.

Nobody's resisting anything. They can still be affected by Gravity Manipulation if said gravity exceeds their current strength level. They shouldn't get Adaptation for training; if that were the case, everybody would get it. Then again, the Wiki accepts Accelerated Development as an innate ability for Ki users so.

OK, I will change the sentence.

 

[Nonynho]

INCON GRACE [3-0-4] - Xeno Broly vs Toei Vegito

Fight is at a minecraft superflat bedrock-only seed (they're players, so indestructible ground) Speed is equal, to make things easier Xeno Broly is at his first key Broly starts at SSJ3 They start 4m apart Xeno Broly: @Mickey1940, @Nonynho, @Jackythejack Toei Vegito: Incon: @Drite77...

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GRACE [7-2-0] Goku (GT) vs Goku (Super Manga)

Welp, this'll leave my counsciousness in peace just by existing, even if people ignore it again. [/QUOTE] Do the math, both the same value x 2-C [/SPOILER] GT - 7 (@RedReaper616, @Nonynho, @Anonymous_Learner, @Supersonicmaker, @YuseiDragon1, @AppleMaker, @Muteki616) Manga - 2 (@Mickey1940...

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GRACE [0-7-0] Let future Trunks check this out - Manga Gohan vs. Toei Freeza

Post research: If we want them to be in the same realm, Toei would be represented by 3rd form Freeza (Frieza - Garlic Jr. Saga) and Manga would be represented by either Perfect Cell Saga Base Gohan or 50% of SSJ1 Goku Why those specifically? Simple. According to this 23900 Quettatons = 1 Foe...

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If you haven't, watch 28 Days Later, peak horror movie ngl

 

[Eden5Zeroo]

hey, does anyone know how hard it is to achieve Ultra Instinct? Also, wouldnt it be an ANTI FEAT for Goku, since real life humans can supposedly reach it??

thx

 

[Nonynho]

hey, does anyone know how hard it is to achieve Ultra Instinct? Also, wouldnt it be an ANTI FEAT for Goku, since real life humans can supposedly reach it??

thx

iirc/afaik you have to already have tampered with God Ki, but it's explained that you have to break your shells, limits, etc (pretty much like Saitama) for attaining it for moments.
Since it's a stage that Gods and Angels use all the time but Gods have difficulty of attaining it, and even a mf like Goku, who trains non-stop in the most specific ways ever and is not even human, was the first to get it (while the most remote (and put a great emphasys on this remote) resemblance we had to it was Ultimate Gohan, another non-undersestimable mf) and could only start by using for moments, it's safe to say that if a human can get it, it's definetely not something possible for like more than a person in a million years

 

[Jinsama]

bro what

ima busy right now so ima reply later or maybe not, so wake me up if i don't. I'm not very active and only check in once in a millenium



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Yeah nahnah there’s something i want to type but i’m too lazy so ima keep it short

The concept of mushin involves building up a good amount of muscle memory. Ohma, Mori, and Roshiz "fake" UI and like 9/10 of fiction fall into this category. Ohma achieved this through 40,000–50,000 imaginary battles, allowing him to fight without thinking. For Mori, there isn’t much context other than him repeating "fight without thinking" to save energy. Roshi’s version comes from his big experience or in other words: the amount of muscle memories he has built. Whis even confirms in the manga that this is just a "far cry" from the real deal.

You little fella can achieve a similar state in the real world because it’s all about building muscle memory ... think of like training non stop for a specific situation until you react instantly.

Goku samas UI is Mushin on steroids. Every part of his body acts as if it has its own brain, while the fine tuning remains an active process. Real UI - story wise - aint a small thing of an entire thing, it encompasses the entire thing. Roshi’s fake UI is just one small part of it. Since you read goh , think of Mori gaining Karma and achieving Nirvana ... it’s the cherry on top of the verse. UI is like that, though obviously a level below Zeno/Super Shenron since it’s just a fighting skill.

TL;DR Ohmaz, Roshiz UI etc. are in the realm of reality where you can’t be faster than light, while Goku’s UI is pure fiction and fiction allows for MFTL+ speeds

How hard is it?

- Vegeta 40 years of experience, with DBS boosting his fighting exp into the multiple tens of thousand(s)

- Master Roshi " earth greatest martial artist" with 300 years of experience; it took him 50 years just for the kamehameha, and he only reached the "far cry" version of UI.

- Beerus, the new concept of UE (Ultra Ego) explains why he’s still the top dog. It confirms he hasn't lost the fire in his belly. How old is he? A few hundred million years old and add the fact that everyone and their mother still wants it, he was not always that strong and with Toyotaro adding a new concept which explains why Beerus is so damn strong and there is no limit (for his tier) to his power. I think it is pretty fair to say he spent at least 10.000 years?

There is more you could add but its just the same song all over again, so here is my middlefinger.

 

[StarShooter80]

hey, does anyone know how hard it is to achieve Ultra Instinct? Also, wouldnt it be an ANTI FEAT for Goku, since real life humans can supposedly reach it??

thx

That's the neat part you can't

 

[Jinsama]

think of Ggoku samasUI like a robot where every part has its own mini-robot doing its own thing. While you the engineer, you can still watch from the sidelines and intervene if an error or bad position occurs. Being auto modz is cool, but shit also prone to mistakes ...

iintervening when necessary is what separates a Rank 1 cheater using a rotation bot from a regular cheater who doesn't interfere with the rotation bot

Instead of mastering every martial art like real or fictional, alien or blublabla , he cheated and skipped straight to the pinnacle

 

[Nullflowerblush]

hey, does anyone know how hard it is to achieve Ultra Instinct? Also, wouldnt it be an ANTI FEAT for Goku, since real life humans can supposedly reach it??

thx

How hard is it to completely surrender control of your body away from your brain to your body itself? Idk, could be pretty easy. Who knows?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

if you sever the link between your brain and your body in real world im pretty sure you just end up dying

 

[MusicRelaxing]

just lock in null thats all you gotta do

 

[Nonynho]

imagine someone attains to it but there's no special effects, so neither them nor the rest of humanity will ever know

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

hey, does anyone know how hard it is to achieve Ultra Instinct? Also, wouldnt it be an ANTI FEAT for Goku, since real life humans can supposedly reach it??

thx

You're kidding right?

 

[TiltedFN]

Battle of Gods God Goku>All of GT

 

[Nonynho]

Battle of Gods God Goku>All of GT

If you say so

 

[ProudLearner]

Did Super Perfect Cell (Toei) know about Majin Buu, Babidi and Dabura?

 

[The_Axiom_of_Virgo]

Did Super Perfect Cell (Toei) know about Majin Buu, Babidi and Dabura?

Probably since there's scenes with villians in Hell watching what's going on in the final battle, Toei Cell saw Goku vs Kid Buu and was in the same scene as Babidi when he explained who Buu is.

 

[StarShooter80]

Did Super Perfect Cell (Toei) know about Majin Buu, Babidi and Dabura?

Only during the Majin Buu Saga in that filler scene, otherwise never knew them before

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Battle of Gods God Goku>All of GT

How would the characters in Super react to infinite speed?

 

[Huesito88]

How would the characters in Super react to infinite speed?

They'll be amazed =P

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

How would the characters in Super react to infinite speed?

 

[Huesito88]

Yeah exactly

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

That should give infinite speed, someone should try suspicious methods to achieve infinite speed.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

A Review of the Strange Swirling Lights Dimension in Dragon Ball

Hello everyone. Today I would like to discuss the dimensions of the Strange Swirling Lights in the Dragon Ball movie. I have reviewed the previous discussions on this topic, but they are not accurate, and I would like to correct several important points regarding this battle in this thread. It...

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[JustANormalPerson01]

Why do you think Beerus would've died if the universe got destroyed on BoG?

Goku dying is one matter, given he cannot survive on space and he just tapped the power of a God so it can be explained. But Beerus? Destruction should not be a problem given he scales to Low Multi, neither should be being at the vaccuum after the destruction of the universe because he can survive the explosion and needs no air to survive.

 

[Roun12]

Why do you think Beerus would've died if the universe got destroyed on BoG?

Goku dying is one matter, given he cannot survive on space and he just tapped the power of a God so it can be explained. But Beerus? Destruction should not be a problem given he scales to Low Multi, neither should be being at the vaccuum after the destruction of the universe because he can survive the explosion and needs no air to survive.

It would've killed Supreme Kai and if he dies, Beerus dies with him.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Elder Kai seems to refer to Beerus facing utter destruction as a separated reason to "them Gods", i.e., Kais, but fair ig

 

[Faridw]

Does Black Goku with his energy sword gain durability negation? Because he can launch energy attacks that pierce Goku without damaging his outer body until Goku feels pain from being hit.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

A Comprehensive Review of the Other World in Dragon Ball

I have reviewed all the topics that talk about the Afterlife, and I find that there is missing information and incorrect points, and that this topic needs everything to be explained and all matters to be corrected. I will get straight to the point: It has been mentioned many times that the...

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[Faridw]

hahahaha, that's very funny bruh

A Comprehensive Review of the Other World in Dragon Ball

I have reviewed all the topics that talk about the Afterlife, and I find that there is missing information and incorrect points, and that this topic needs everything to be explained and all matters to be corrected. I will get straight to the point: It has been mentioned many times that the...

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[Nullflowerblush]

pierce Goku without damaging his outer body

Oxymoronic.

 

[Saqphire]

A Comprehensive Review of the Other World in Dragon Ball

I have reviewed all the topics that talk about the Afterlife, and I find that there is missing information and incorrect points, and that this topic needs everything to be explained and all matters to be corrected. I will get straight to the point: It has been mentioned many times that the...

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Sheesh...

 

[StarShooter80]

Toeiverse really needs its abilities and resistances updated because my goodness

As well as higher ratings with charged attacks

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Regarding the Dimension of Strange Swirling Lights, we should update it later to at least be insignificant 5D or 4D, because there are arguments for it to be that, although it does not have a defined size, we can already update cosmology at least or assume that these dimensional barriers separating all macrocosms should be 5D. I see a way to discuss this, but creating a crt like the previous one will end up creating a rule.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Perhaps we could re-evaluate the usability of the The Anime Adventure Game guidebook eventually.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

A Comprehensive Review of the Other World in Dragon Ball

I have reviewed all the topics that talk about the Afterlife, and I find that there is missing information and incorrect points, and that this topic needs everything to be explained and all matters to be corrected. I will get straight to the point: It has been mentioned many times that the...

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Inb4 him making a 1-A+ Dragon Ball CRT using Arale's "infinite reality-fiction" manga panel

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Inb4 him making a 1-A+ Dragon Ball CRT using Arale's "infinite reality-fiction" manga panel

I don't understand tier 1, but i found these things about 1-A kind of funny. Doesn't Arale no longer meet the requirements to have R>F? I remember something like that in Dr Slump.