Review of Son Goku’s Profile Regarding Possible Immortality Types (2 and 3)

[Azertyhuuh]

I would like to propose a re-evaluation of Son Goku’s profile, specifically regarding the possible applicability of Immortality Types 2 and 3, based on consistent feats shown throughout the series. This is intended as a discussion rather than a definitive assertion.
Immortality Type 2 (Survival from Otherwise Fatal Injuries)
Goku has repeatedly survived injuries that would normally be fatal, particularly those involving vital organs such as the heart. Notable examples include:
Zamasu piercing Goku’s heart during the Goku Black arc.
Beerus piercing Goku’s chest during their battle while using his God of Destruction power.
Goku being struck through the heart by a laser/energy beam fired by one of Frieza’s subordinates when his guard was lowered.
Hit piercing Goku’s heart during their second confrontation.
Despite the lethality of these attacks, Goku was able to remain alive and recover rather than dying outright. Repeated survival from such critical injuries may be indicative of Immortality Type 2, depending on interpretation.
Immortality Type 3 (Regeneration from Internal Damage)
In several cases, Goku does not merely heal over time, but appears to regenerate internal damage, including damage to vital organs:
After being pierced through the chest by Beerus, Goku’s body regenerated sufficiently for him to continue fighting.
After Zamasu pierced his heart, Goku regenerated moments later, restoring internal damage and resuming combat.
These instances suggest regeneration rather than simple recovery, as vital organs were damaged or pierced and then restored in a short timeframe. While this regeneration is not portrayed as constant or limitless, it may qualify as limited Immortality Type 3 under VSBW standards.
Conclusion
This is my first post, and I am not presenting this as a final conclusion. Rather, I believe these repeated feats—particularly Goku’s regeneration from internal and otherwise fatal injuries—may warrant further discussion or reconsideration regarding the applicability of Immortality Types 2 and/or 3 to his profile.
I welcome clarification or correction if these feats are already addressed elsewhere or interpreted differently under current guidelines.

Agree:
Neutral:
Disagree:

 

[Azertyhuuh]

@Antvasima Could you please approve the thread?

 

[Cipher72]

Son Goku already has regeneration listed on his profile.

Regeneration (Mid-Low; Was able to instantly recover the skin cells lost after driving Beerus far enough into the atmosphere to blacken his fist[1]

Enhanced Regeneration (Low-Mid; Was stabbed through the stomach and left on the verge of bleeding out, before healing the wound over once revivified[140])

Which is basically Immortality type-3

Immortality via regeneration: Characters with this type of immortality can simply regenerate from wounds that would normally be lethal, though its effectiveness depends on the degree of the regeneration.

As for Immortality type 2 I would ask OP to show some proof for their claims.

2: Resilient Immortality: Characters with this degree of immortality can indefinitely survive injuries that would otherwise be lethal to a normal person, without needing to heal.

 

[Eseseso]

Why did you make the same thread twice?

 

[Reiner04]

Why did you make the same thread twice?

I deleted the repeated thread

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Son Goku already has regeneration listed on his profile.


Which is basically Immortality type-3

As for Immortality type 2 I would ask OP to show some proof for their claims.

Alright, I understand, but why wasn’t Immortality Type 3 explicitly written on his profile to make it clear for people? I think adding that would be better.

As for Immortality Type 2, I already mentioned some evidence that supports it, such as:
Goku surviving after his heart stopped during his second battle against Hit. He was on the verge of death, and his heart did in fact stop, yet he managed to survive. This demonstrates the ability to survive otherwise fatal injuries. The attack stopped his heart, and Goku was about to die; he collapsed to the ground, and Piccolo and Gohan tried to save him without success. It was explicitly stated that his heart stopped because the attack directly pierced his heart, yet he still survived.
Also, during his fight against Goku Black and Zamasu, Goku survived a stab from Goku Black that directly pierced his heart, and he was able to counterattack afterward. This also counts as survival from fatal injuries, since attacks to vital areas such as the heart or head are normally lethal, yet Goku is able to survive them regardless.

Additionally, if we look at the explanation for Immortality Type 2, it refers to surviving attacks that would be fatal to an ordinary person. Logically, if a person’s heart is pierced, they would die immediately; such an attack is fatal. There are many scenes showing Goku surviving lethal attacks, most notably Hit’s attack that pierced his heart and Goku Black’s attack as well.

 

[Cipher72]

Alright, I understand, but why wasn’t Immortality Type 3 explicitly written on his profile to make it clear for people? I think adding that would be better.

As for Immortality Type 2, I already mentioned some evidence that supports it, such as:
Goku surviving after his heart stopped during his second battle against Hit. He was on the verge of death, and his heart did in fact stop, yet he managed to survive. This demonstrates the ability to survive otherwise fatal injuries. The attack stopped his heart, and Goku was about to die; he collapsed to the ground, and Piccolo and Gohan tried to save him without success. It was explicitly stated that his heart stopped because the attack directly pierced his heart, yet he still survived.
Also, during his fight against Goku Black and Zamasu, Goku survived a stab from Goku Black that directly pierced his heart, and he was able to counterattack afterward. This also counts as survival from fatal injuries, since attacks to vital areas such as the heart or head are normally lethal, yet Goku is able to survive them regardless.

Additionally, if we look at the explanation for Immortality Type 2, it refers to surviving attacks that would be fatal to an ordinary person. Logically, if a person’s heart is pierced, they would die immediately; such an attack is fatal. There are many scenes showing Goku surviving lethal attacks, most notably Hit’s attack that pierced his heart and Goku Black’s attack as well.

When I said proof I meant scans from the manga/anime

 

[Entity]

It was explicitly stated that his heart stopped because the attack directly pierced his heart, yet he still survived

Didn't he throw an attack in the sky so that it could fall and hit him on the chest, thus jump starting his heart?

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

I disagree with Immortality type 2. Goku explicitely cannot survive without his heart, as seen in Dragon Ball Z when Piccolo killed him and Raditz, in Dragon Ball Super when he died after Hit used a pressure point to stop his heart's beat (later he got resurrected by his Ki attack, similar to what he did to Roshi in the ToP) and (assuming Dragon Ball Super anime continues) in Moro saga when he would've died when Moro pierced through his chest if it wasn't because Dende healed him.

Goku has immense pain torelance, that's true. But given, at least afaik, there is no proof Zamasu actually destroyed Goku's heart on Future Saga and that we know for a fact that SSG has regenerated Goku from similar attacks before, plus the anti feats of Goku needing his heart to survive, Immortality type 2 is a no to me.

About Immortality type 3, his SSG key has him regenerating from getting stabbed on his  stomach, though the video seems more his heart than his stomach to me. So I hope people can clarify that.

Also, OP, you should link the scans you are referring to on your CRTs. Pretty sure a mod can close it if you post a CRT with just a wall of text and no scan nor whatsoever to support it.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Zamasu piercing Goku’s heart during the Goku Black arc.

Where do you think the heart is? He'd (Goku Black, not Zamasu) be close, but he's stabbing underneath the heart.

Beerus piercing Goku’s chest during their battle while using his God of Destruction power.

Again, not in the heart. In a vital area, yes, even causing his skin to briefly discolor from shock, but in an even much lower area than Goku Black stabbed him in. The wound would have been fatal had he not regenerated shortly afterwards, but even normal humans can survive after being stabbed in the lower abdomen given they are provided adequate medical care shortly after.

Goku being struck through the heart by a laser/energy beam fired by one of Frieza’s subordinates when his guard was lowered.

Not even the correct side of the body.

Hit piercing Goku’s heart during their second confrontation.

He died. His heart collapsed, he went into cardiac arrest, and he died. He resuscitated himself afterwards, but the attack did literally clinically kill him.

 

[Azertyhuuh]

When I said proof I meant scans from the manga/anime

I disagree with Immortality type 2. Goku explicitely cannot survive without his heart, as seen in Dragon Ball Z when Piccolo killed him and Raditz, in Dragon Ball Super when he died after Hit used a pressure point to stop his heart's beat (later he got resurrected by his Ki attack, similar to what he did to Roshi in the ToP) and (assuming Dragon Ball Super anime continues) in Moro saga when he would've died when Moro pierced through his chest if it wasn't because Dende healed him.

Goku has immense pain torelance, that's true. But given, at least afaik, there is no proof Zamasu actually destroyed Goku's heart on Future Saga and that we know for a fact that SSG has regenerated Goku from similar attacks before, plus the anti feats of Goku needing his heart to survive, Immortality type 2 is a no to me.

About Immortality type 3, his SSG key has him regenerating from getting stabbed on his  stomach, though the video seems more his heart than his stomach to me. So I hope people can clarify that.

Also, OP, you should link the scans you are referring to on your CRTs. Pretty sure a mod can close it if you post a CRT with just a wall of text and no scan nor whatsoever to support it.

That is not important. When Goku reached the level of the gods, the situation became very different from how it was in Z, of course.

Where do you think the heart is? He'd (Goku Black, not Zamasu) be close, but he's stabbing underneath the heart.

Again, not in the heart. In a vital area, yes, even causing his skin to briefly discolor from shock, but in an even much lower area than Goku Black stabbed him in. The wound would have been fatal had he not regenerated shortly afterwards, but even normal humans can survive after being stabbed in the lower abdomen given they are provided adequate medical care shortly after.

Not even the correct side of the body.

He died. His heart collapsed, he went into cardiac arrest, and he died. He resuscitated himself afterwards, but the attack did literally clinically kill him.

I disagree with you. It was directly in the heart, and you can verify this yourself by checking the images that I will include in this reply.

Alright, you can view the evidence here through the links below ↓
This link shows Goku Black’s attack, which directly pierced the heart ←

This link shows Hit’s attack on Goku, which also pierced his heart ←

First, after proving that the attacks indeed struck the heart, it is now logical to say that no normal human on Earth could survive having their heart pierced by an attack that transcends time. Especially considering that Hit used a lethal technique against Goku. This is the very technique that Hit was not allowed to use in the Tournament of Power, as Champa and Beerus stated, because it violates the rules and kills the opponent with a single fatal strike.
In Goku and Hit’s second confrontation, Hit did use this technique against Goku, and it completely pierced his heart with an attack that surpasses time. No human can survive an attack that pierces the heart at a speed that transcends time.
Now, regarding Goku Black’s attack, it also completely pierced Goku’s heart. You can verify this from the images shown above: Goku is clearly clutching his heart, and he breaks the blade at the area of his heart. No normal human could survive a sword strike that pierces the heart.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

That is not important. When Goku reached the level of the gods, the situation became very different from how it was in Z, of course.

Reaching the state of God doesn't grant immortality type 2 by default anywhere, let alone in Dragon Ball.

I disagree with you. It was directly in the heart, and you can verify this yourself by checking the images that I will include in this reply.

Alright, you can view the evidence here through the links below ↓
This link shows Goku Black’s attack, which directly pierced the heart ←

This link shows Hit’s attack on Goku, which also pierced his heart ←

Actually, what you showed proved his point lol. I superposed both images and look:

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Reaching the state of God doesn't grant immortality type 2 by default anywhere, let alone in Dragon Ball.

Actually, what you showed proved his point lol. I superposed both images and look:

Once again, I say that when Goku reached the level of the gods, many things about him changed, and you cannot deny this. Yes, after attaining this level, Goku clearly became capable of surviving lethal attacks, as I have proven to you above as well.

→ You said that you compared the two images? Alright, but what does that have to do with the point? Do you realize the magnitude of the blow that Hit delivered to Goku? It left a massive hole in his chest—his chest was pierced completely, and the strike passed through to the other side at a speed that transcends time. This directly caused him to collapse to the ground, practically dead.
On the other hand, the stab that Goku Black inflicted on Goku was directly to the heart and was concentrated on a single point. Even so, Goku was clearly clutching his heart. However, Hit’s punch was far more dangerous, vastly more severe, and clearly more lethal than Goku Black’s stab. Hit’s blow affected the entire heart, left a massive cavity, pierced through to the other side of Goku’s body, and did so at a speed that surpasses time, causing him to fall to the ground as if dead.

Now I have a question for you: is there any normal human who could survive having their heart pierced by a punch that transcends time and exits from the other side? Goku—who is currently at the 2-C level, with physical durability on that same scale—had his heart pierced and the attack exited from the other side at a speed beyond time. So what about an ordinary human?

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Once again, I say that when Goku reached the level of the gods, many things about him changed, and you cannot deny this. Yes, after attaining this level, Goku clearly became capable of surviving lethal attacks, as I have proven to you above as well.

Problem is, you haven't

→ You said that you compared the two images? Alright, but what does that have to do with the point?

That the heart, which is what you claimed was destroyed, is indeed higher than where Goku Black pierced Goku.

Do you realize the magnitude of the blow that Hit delivered to Goku? It left a massive hole in his chest— his chest was pierced completely, and the strike passed through to the other side at a speed that transcends time.

It didn't.

This directly caused him to collapse to the ground, practically dead.

Not practically. He died, he literally stated he saw King Yenma for a second (you can check the scan yourself on Resurrection's ability explanation)

On the other hand, the stab that Goku Black inflicted on Goku was directly to the heart

No, it wasn't

and was concentrated on a single point. Even so, Goku was clearly clutching his heart.

No, he was clutching were he got stabbed, like anyone would.

Hit’s blow affected the entire heart, left a massive cavity, pierced through to the other side of Goku’s body

You can't have both Hit and Goku Black's attack to pierce the heart at the same time, when they have pierced different parts of Goku's body. Close, but not the same.

Hit attacked Goku's heart, as an assassin, to kill him.

Goku Black pierced him with his ki blade, causing him a lot of damage but didn't destroy his heart at all. Reason why he could still stand.

What I haven't answered is meaningless to this debate, btw. Such as how asking if a normal human could survive Hit's attack. It doesn't matter, because neither could Goku

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Problem is, you haven't

That the heart, which is what you claimed was destroyed, is indeed higher than where Goku Black pierced Goku.

It didn't.

No, I already told you: Hit’s strike pierced Goku’s heart and exited from the other side at a speed that transcends time, and the evidence is right in front of you ↓

No, it wasn't


No, he was clutching were he got stabbed, like anyone would.

You can't have both Hit and Goku Black's attack to pierce the heart at the same time, when they have pierced different parts of Goku's body. Close, but not the same.

Hit attacked Goku's heart, as an assassin, to kill him.

Goku Black pierced him with his ki blade, causing him a lot of damage but didn't destroy his heart at all. Reason why he could still stand.

What I haven't answered is meaningless to this debate, btw. Such as how asking if a normal human could survive Hit's attack. It doesn't matter, because neither could Goku

Goku couldn’t survive? Did you even follow the series, or are you just speaking off the top of your head? Goku returned after a few minutes and defeated Hit himself, and yet you say he couldn’t survive? That’s strange.

If you had actually followed the series, you would know this. It seems you haven’t followed the work at all, and your goal is simply to reply based on your own assumptions rather than on what is actually shown.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

No, I already told you: Hit’s strike pierced Goku’s heart and exited from the other side at a speed that transcends time, and the evidence is right in front of you ↓

Pierce and exit from the other side ≠ Leave a massive hole on his chest, which is what you claimed.

Hit attacks can pass through objects without destroying them, after all

Goku returned after a few minutes and defeated Hit himself, and yet you say he couldn’t survive? That’s strange.

Goku effectively died, he already was on the Otherworld with Yenma, but the Ki he shot to space returned and revived him. I'll leave the scan here, though, as I said, it's on Goku's profile already

He couldn't survive Hit's attack, that's for a fact. He just revived afterwards because of a Ki he sent to space. What you say is like saying Goku survived Piccolo's Makkankosappo because we saw him alive later on Saiyan Saga.

And, well, let's stop with dishonest accusations of "You haven't actually watched the series!", please. People had to correct you on trivial things like who actually pierced Goku's chest on Zamasu saga or that in Frieza saga the side of his body that was pierced by a laser was the whole opposite of where the heart is, yet no one here is screaming that you haven't watched the work at all. If you don't have anything else to support your claim, then I'd prefer you to wait to more staffs to give their opinion instead of accusing me

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Pierce and exit from the other side ≠ Leave a massive hole on his chest, which is what you claimed.

Hit attacks can pass through objects without destroying them, after all

Goku effectively died, he already was on the Otherworld with Yenma, but the Ki he shot to space returned and revived him. I'll leave the scan here, though, as I said, it's on Goku's profile already

He couldn't survive Hit's attack, that's for a fact. He just revived afterwards because of a Ki he sent to space. What you say is like saying Goku survived Piccolo's Makkankosappo because we saw him alive later on Saiyan Saga.

And, well, let's stop with dishonest accusations of "You haven't actually watched the series!", please. People had to correct you on trivial things like who actually pierced Goku's chest on Zamasu saga or that in Frieza saga the side of his body that was pierced by a laser was the whole opposite of where the heart is, yet no one here is screaming that you haven't watched the work at all. If you don't have anything else to support your claim, then I'd prefer you to wait to more staffs to give their opinion instead of accusing me

Alright, I apologize if I offended you regarding this matter.

Yes, what you said about resurrection is correct, but still, this alone is not enough to argue that he does not possess Immortality Type 2 for other reasons. And it does not mean that someone with Immortality Type 2 must survive every single lethal attack—of course not, just to be clear.

In the manga, during Goku’s fight against Moro, Moro pierced Goku’s entire chest with his hand and it came out from the other side, yet Goku was able to survive this attack. This is literally a deadly injury. Also, focus on Immortality Type 2: this type applies to characters who can survive injuries that would be lethal to a normal human, and it does not require the heart or head to be destroyed, only survival from lethal attacks. This is an important point we must agree on to reach the correct conclusion.

Now, let’s go over the key points:
Beerus’ stab to Goku’s heart in their fight caused Goku to fall to Earth, but within seconds he survived, even though Beerus himself was confident that Goku was dead and the fight was over. Beerus clearly intended to kill Goku with that strike and end the fight.
Moro’s strike that pierced Goku’s entire chest—this time not just the heart but the whole chest—and came out the other side. This strike is obviously lethal; no normal human could survive having their chest pierced completely and exiting from the other side.

Honestly, I will also wait for the moderators’ opinion on this, but based on Goku’s feats at the beginning of the series, he has shown in many scenes his ability to survive numerous lethal injuries, and these are the most prominent examples I have mentioned.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

Moro’s strike that pierced Goku’s entire chest—this time not just the heart but the whole chest—and came out the other side. This strike is obviously lethal; no normal human could survive having their chest pierced completely and exiting from the other side.

Since I was the one who brought it up, even if it is a different canon, I'd answer this before waiting for staff

Goku was going to die by Moro's attack if it wasn't for Dende healing him before he died, so this supports he has no immortality type 2, rather than the opposite. But as I said, different canon, so doesn't matter

Not dying immediately by an attack that pierces through your body doesn't give you immortality type 2.

 

[Vietthai96]

Yeah no, i disagree with this, at best you could give him stamina feat where he can keep himself up longer than normal when his vital points get hit

 

[Azertyhuuh]

Yeah no, i disagree with this, at best you could give him stamina feat where he can keep himself up longer than normal when his vital points get hit

However, in the fight between Goku and Granolah, Granolah was repeatedly targeting Goku’s vital points with the intent to kill, yet Goku was still able to continue fighting and did not require healing or assistance from anyone. He took many strikes to his vital points, and they did not cause him serious issues. Doesn’t this count as well? Moreover, at this stage, Goku had become stronger than he was in his last fight against Moro.

I believe this is currently the best evidence I have to classify him under Immortality Type 2, due to Goku continuing to fight despite repeated damage to his vital points during the battle. He was even able, using Perfected Ultra Instinct, to counter Granolah and remain standing, even after Granolah ultimately delivered another lethal blow to his vital points—this time to the heart. Even then, Goku did not require healing or endurance recovery; it was treated as something normal.

Based on this, I believe this is sufficient to grant Goku this level of immortality, given his lack of significant impairment from repeated injuries to vital organs.




Since his battle with Granolah, Goku in particular has become capable of enduring lethal attacks and surviving them, even when his vital points are targeted. Moreover, since his fight against Granolah, Goku has become accustomed to repeatedly surviving lethal blows, and they no longer cause him significant problems. This is the latest evidence I have, and I believe it is logical, with no better evidence than this.