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Kamen Rider Punkjack vs Thragg: Throwing Hands (8-7-0) 72 HOURS GRACE INCON ENDED

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Lol another Geats matchup

Basically, Thragg invades Earth on his own for some reason, and Punkjack is there to stop him. Nothing more, nothing less.

Keys and Versions used:​

Conspiracy Arc Kamen Rider Punkjack (Low 7-C, 7-C with Fever) & Post-Timeskip Thragg (Far Higher Low 5-B). Punkjack is allowed to use the Fever Buckle, but not any form of Fever Boost. Boost is also restricted.

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Cynosure Facility. Starting Distance is 250 meters.

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Battle Conditions:​

  • Both are in character, but willing to win.
  • Win Condition is by any means necessary, so killing is not off the table.
  • Speed is NOT equalized
  • Standard Equipment Only
  • Everything else unmentioned will be according to SBA

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Ok so what can Punkjack do against Thragg, you ask?
He can increase the size of his arms to astronomical amounts, and extend them by kilometers. He can also do the same with his fist projectiles, so funnily enough he has range lol.
 
What's stopping PunkJack from Desire Empowerment equalizing him to Thragg's maximum output off the bat?
 
What's stopping PunkJack from Desire Empowerment equalizing him to Thragg's maximum output off the bat?
From what I've seen, Thragg can BFR him to space and/or destroy the planet. He has insane stamina and endurance, which PunkJack needs to deal astronomical amounts of damage to stop this guy.
 
BFR won’t work as Win could just teleport to and from the DGP. Breathing in an area without oxygen is also something he could do for a short period of time, so suffocation won’t work either.

If Thragg destroys the planet, again, Win could just got to the DGP, making it incon since neither can fight one another.
 
Yeah good point here.

Punkjack's tech gives him dimensional warping and stage selection. Plus BFR's through use of raw force against someone equal to it is easier said than done.
 
You can teleport yourself to the Desire Temple with your Spiderphone from wherever you are.
I mean, you can't warp the DGP and/or select a stage from there unless you're a Game Master or above. The most Punkjack can do is tp there.
 
Yeah, while Win is a DGP worker, I think using the Game Masters to select the sections for the fight is outside help. The teleportation between DGP and earth should be possible for fight use
 
So, to my understanding, this dude has TP, but it's one-way?
 
Yeah, he can TP from where he is to DPG's location, which is sort of a different space, and vice versa but it's one-way. At best, it could argue that the TP range to Earth is limited to the entirety of Japan since that's where the DPG are using as their playground but that doesn't really matter much.
 
If thragg doesn't go to blitz before he activates the desire amp, wouldn't Punkjack win by being just a more haxxed thragg?
 
I don't remember what Thragg's wincons are, but Punkjack wouldn't need to activate anything, he just becomes as strong as Thragg the moment they start fighting
 
The form that PunkJack started with was just mainly punching stuff; he can create big-ass energy punches by increasing the size and mass of his fists.

The haxes that he has access to are a little bit more complicated because he has to roll a slot machine buckle to get the right haxes.
 
Yeah, he can TP from where he is to DPG's location, which is sort of a different space, and vice versa but it's one-way. At best, it could argue that the TP range to Earth is limited to the entirety of Japan since that's where the DPG are using as their playground but that doesn't really matter much.
So why wouldn't BFR work? He can teleport, but if it's only back and forth, he either teleports there, and stays there and it counts as self BFR, or he teleports back and he's screwed because he can't survive in space for long?
 
So why wouldn't BFR work? He can teleport, but if it's only back and forth, he either teleports there, and stays there and it counts as self BFR, or he teleports back and he's screwed because he can't survive in space for long?

Desire Amp would make him equal to Thragg with far more versatility so its not like he can easily BFR him in the first place. If even at all.

When your opponent's moveset is 100% punching and kicking with no real abilities to speak of its not like Win will have any sort of problem with it.
 
Versatility will be very powerful here. Win’s Fever form makes him 3x faster and stronger post Desire Boost.

Slots can duplicate himself, launch elemental attacks, create substitute, just a lot of bs taht thragg will have trouble dealing agaisnt
 
Desire Amp would make him equal to Thragg with far more versatility so its not like he can easily BFR him in the first place. If even at all.

When your opponent's moveset is 100% punching and kicking with no real abilities to speak of its not like Win will have any sort of problem with it.
Ok and how does that save him from Thragg popping the planet, because that's like his second option.

BFR doesn't require dragging him to space if the battle field itself gets removed from the equation.

And last I checked, this dude very much can not survive under those conditions.
 
Versatility will be very powerful here. Win’s Fever form makes him 3x faster and stronger post Desire Boost.

Slots can duplicate himself, launch elemental attacks, create substitute, just a lot of bs taht thragg will have trouble dealing agaisnt
Actually that's a good point, speed isn't equalized here, what's stopping Thragg from blitzing and popping his head off before he could react? Very much in character btw he even threatens to do it to Allen.
 
Spark instantly equalizes stats. Weaker users were able to keep up with people who can reach 5 trillion c before they could blitz. Thragg moving at like, a billion c won’t do much
 
Ok and how does that save him from Thragg popping the planet, because that's like his second option.

BFR doesn't require dragging him to space if the battle field itself gets removed from the equation.

And last I checked, this dude very much can not survive under those conditions.

So either Thragg destroys the earth and the battle is inconclusive since DGP teleportation works or PunkJack's versatility overwhelms Thagg is what I'm understanding from this.
 
So either Thragg destroys the earth and the battle is inconclusive since DGP teleportation works or PunkJack's versatility overwhelms Thagg is what I'm understanding from this.
Uh, no, itd be a win for Thragg because dude
1. Can't survive in space for long, he stays, he dies.
2. Leaving the fight for a prolonged period counts as self-BFR, and is a loss.
So either way.
Versatility just forces the option, Thragg is very much one for skipping the bullshit if he has no obligation to fight fairly like with Beast. The more of a pain his opp is, the more likely he takes a nuclear route so he doesn't need to deal with them to begin with. Bro would legit ong have a better chance if he fought only with CQC because at least then Thragg would prob stick to boxing himself if only to prove a point.
Spark instantly equalizes stats. Weaker users were able to keep up with people who can reach 5 trillion c before they could blitz. Thragg moving at like, a billion c won’t do much
Where does it say instantly? Because reading the profile it very much reads as a reactive power, based on on the user's will, not just a passive instant ability.
Also that isn't even true, the value on profile is 4 billion c, which is like mid comic Mark level (who Thragg blitzes), where tf are you getting trillions? As it stands, he starts of billions of times slower than Thragg.
 
Ok I'm back. I'll address the ***** for giggles.
So why wouldn't BFR work? He can teleport, but if it's only back and forth, he either teleports there, and stays there and it counts as self BFR, or he teleports back and he's screwed because he can't survive in space for long?
BFR won't work for two main reasons.
-Trying to BFR Punkjack into space directly just allows him to teleport to the DGP and back to Earth wherever he wants. Thragg has to do it all over again, which I figure will not only annoy tf out of him, it allows Win to adapt and counterattack it with his own attacks.
-Trying to destroy the planet won't mean shit if there's a giant ass roadblock in his way in the form of Punkjack himself. The way he's kitted out makes him akin to a goalkeeper trying to catch Thragg the football from attempting to destroy the planet. Even then, I figure trying to OHKO the planet isn't something he does frame one into the fight, so something that resembles a fight can happen for a bit. Either that, or Punkjack straightup taunts him into hyperfocusing on himself to buy some time.

There's also the problem that the cynosure facility is a relatively compact space, so both combatants are relatively easy to reach at this moment.
Also forgot to address it's only one way if one teleports to the DGP. It's kinda whatever vice versa, so if Punkjack has to teleport away for any reason, he can just reappear behind Thragg.

Ok and how does that save him from Thragg popping the planet, because that's like his second option.
BFR doesn't require dragging him to space if the battle field itself gets removed from the equation.
And last I checked, this dude very much can not survive under those conditions.
First answer is pretty obvious: Not let it pop, which isn't inherently convincing, but it is a method, especially when it isn't something he does immediately.
Second answer would be that Punkjack does actually have the tools to survive in space longer than normal. Radiation takes a while to be of actual effect, and he can take heat of up to over 1000 degrees celsius. Even the oxygen problem he can handle thanks to his shit that allows him to survive in oxygen-free environments (which includes a vacuum). Having this in tandem with the TP allows him to periodically pop in and out in the event he absolutely has to.

Where does it say instantly? Because reading the profile it very much reads as a reactive power, based on on the user's will, not just a passive instant ability.
Also that isn't even true, the value on profile is 4 billion c, which is like mid comic Mark level (who Thragg blitzes), where tf are you getting trillions? As it stands, he starts of billions of times slower than Thragg.
RE is actually only applicable in handling abilities for Spark Users, because the desire amp thing is based on empowerment rather than straight up RE (hence why the tier section says 'desire empowerment' rather than RE). It's based on the person's desire and will, not just the latter. The Desire Grand Prix picks up characters who have big ass desire and will, since it's basically a death game with monsters where the participants have to put their wishes and lives on the line just for the chance to have their ideal world granted, though those like the DGP staff also have this amount of desire & will. Hence, everyone and their mothers that even have the basic usage of spark can instantly equalise with their opponents, unless said character is like the laziest ass of all time.

Also, all I see in the profile is just Thragg upscaling 1 billion c, and even if he is actually 4 billion c, Punkjack's max speed ceiling is just a few numbers short of 5 million c, which kinda outspeeds him anyway (in theory, but in actuality he'd just be the same speed). Berries got the 5 trillion value from the original Massively FTL+ feat done by Kamen Rider Woz, which every Geats Rider's speed ceiling is at for now (Can't say the value is right or wrong, but the lower value is used just to be safe I guess). Keep in mind that this is just his base, if he ever gets a Fever match with any buckle he's already using, he's getting a 3x multiplier to all his stats.

Versatility just forces the option, Thragg is very much one for skipping the bullshit if he has no obligation to fight fairly like with Beast. The more of a pain his opp is, the more likely he takes a nuclear route so he doesn't need to deal with them to begin with. Bro would legit ong have a better chance if he fought only with CQC because at least then Thragg would prob stick to boxing himself if only to prove a point.
To be fair, Punkjack does favour using Monster out of all the buckles (and even has an affinity with said form), so Thragg will have to throw hands at first. I can also see Win goading and taunting him to fight mano-a-mano. It's only when Thragg decides not to play fair and start trying to ruin the fun, then he'll go for different options, which he can pop it out faster than you think.

By the by, the Beat Buckle is a part of the standard equipment, so in the event he goes for that, Thragg is kinda screwed because not only will his planet-busting days be thwarted in the most humiliating way possible thanks to being forced to dance via broadway force, it's also potentially a big hit to him due to his weakness of sound, especially the high frequency sound wave types.
 
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