Legend of Heroes/Trails/Falcom Verse Creation & Discussion Thread

[ZERO7772]

I don't think Valimar would be nerfed necessarily. It was able to recreate demon Mcburn.

And I'm going to have to replay the game in the offical english patch. But in the fan translation I played Mcburn will comment that the Form could have destroyed the reverie corridor if it wasn't careful. (Which the final area had what seemed to be stars in the background and the like.)

Scaling Mcburn to a sept-terrion is vague at best. He already said Ishmelga was much stronger than he was.

Anyway, the TRC copies are just kinda out there, don't think they are that relveant.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Scaling Mcburn to a sept-terrion is vague at best. He already said Ishmelga was much stronger than he was.

Anyway, the TRC copies are just kinda out there, don't think they are that relveant.

I'll phrase what i mean better because I'm not scaling Mcburn to the septerrion. My point is, ie if we'd want to argue for universal Valimar due to the "Cut through creation", The statement of TRC copy of mcburn being able to destroy TRC which can be debated to be universe sized.

 

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I'll phrase what i mean better because I'm not scaling Mcburn to the septerrion. My point is, ie if we'd want to argue for universal Valimar due to the "Cut through creation", The statement of TRC copy of mcburn being able to destroy TRC which can be debated to be universe sized.

Nod nod, I agree with this. At the very least it’s a statement that would be something note worthy

 

[ZERO7772]

Give Rean a profile then we talk.

 

[Endswriting]

Horizon is well… on the horizon so maybe it’s best we wait for that to drop before we consider making Rean’s profile.

Not only that I think we should try and focus on making a cosmology blog too, it’ll be easier for us when profile making down the line

 

[Jesterofgames]

Horizon is well… on the horizon so maybe it’s best we wait for that to drop before we consider making Rean’s profile.

I don’t see why. Rean has plenty of scaling, feats, and abilities as is.

Horizen can always be tackled later.

Not only that I think we should try and focus on making a cosmology blog too, it’ll be easier for us when profile making down the line

I don’t agree. I think this at the moment would be a waste of time.

the cosmology only matters if septerian scaling does. And right now that is contentious. As such I think getting the profile done with the currently solid scaling to Arts, various s-crafts and such. Plus trails cosmology is easy to explain in a few scans. Making a blog seem like overkill.

If a blog would need to be made, I think one for Combat Orbments would be more useful. As they have a large amount of shared hax abilities, we can differentiate between which model orbment a character uses easily (Ie with rean Arcus, Arcus II, and Xipha) especially since each model is also unique in the Arts it allows. Which also provide different hax.

I know ZERO has an issue with the mftl+ feat (even if I disagree and other verses also allow the use of similar feats.)
But FTL should still be solid thanks to Elain just having a craft stated to be ftl, and Shizuna’s S-craft slicing the moon in two. (Also the several dodgable Arts that are stated to be light or beams if light, various lasers that come from machinery, and Oliver and Claire’s guns stated to use photons or bursts of light.)

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

. Rean has plenty of scaling,

But does Rean have our love and support or is he a gary stu for the community?

 

[Jesterofgames]

But does Rean have our love and support or is he a gary stu for the community?

I mean, like i see a lot of people like rean. He just has a vocal minority who aren't a fan.


Also oh right now that I'm at my computer, it's easy for me to find and link the specific feats that are easily scaleable:

Shizuna's moon slice
I did a rought calc awhile back and got like 900 zettatons (5-B nearly 5-A) but I'm not a calc expert so It could be higher or lower. It at a minimum is 29.6 exatons for obvious reasons. (IE the slash obviously overcame the moons GBE since the two parts don't come back together) And since the slice hit it in less then a second the actual slice is bare minimum FTL (I think I got like 16 times FTL.)
The blog for MFTL+ and High 4-C
(Values of 1318 for speed, and 3.37 FOE for AP)
Hopefully this works but also Elaine's FTL craft statement
Specific arts that state they are light that are relevent:
Zeruel canon and Cross Crusade
Luminous ray, Atelier canon and again Cross Crusade
Saint arrow and Ark of El Dorado

Emma's S-craft is calculated at anywhere from Multi-continental to Moon level
(82 petatons to 77 Exatons)
Ishmelga's S-craft is calculated at brown dwarf
(271 ronnatons of tnt)

Sky the 3rds final boss blows up the planet in their S-craft

there's also the whole creating a pocket dimension that's at least 4-A due to stars and a moon Possibly a universe from Sky 3rd too. (So 16.88 ExaFoe to Universal)

We can divy up who scales to what later on. But all of these pretty unambiguously scale to Rean.
Be it from being the in the games they are directly from (Lost genesis, Ishmelga, the several light arts, Emma) or Scaling to the character's (Elian shouldn't be faster then character's like Sara (especially when she questions her promotion to A-rank at first), Shizuna pretty much is only interested in Fighting Rean of the 8L1B masters and a few horizen spoilers I won't say. And almost all the Sky cast appears in CS3,4 and Reverie to help and are pretty much not so obviously above everyone else.

There are more feats and statements but honestly I just grabbed the biggest and most notable one's that could easily be scaled.
Pre time skip rean can just be scaled to Emma or 4-A (Because thanks Cold steel 2 epilogue, Lloyd and Rean tie). Post time skip High 4-C or again 4-A.

And Speed wise anywhere from FTL to MFTL+ is pretty consistant.

Even pre-timeskip rean should get it due to the above light based arts.

 

[Jesterofgames]

I mean, like i see a lot of people like rean. He just has a vocal minority who aren't a fan.


Also oh right now that I'm at my computer, it's easy for me to find and link the specific feats that are easily scaleable:

Shizuna's moon slice
I did a rought calc awhile back and got like 900 zettatons (5-B nearly 5-A) but I'm not a calc expert so It could be higher or lower. It at a minimum is 29.6 exatons for obvious reasons. (IE the slash obviously overcame the moons GBE since the two parts don't come back together) And since the slice hit it in less then a second the actual slice is bare minimum FTL (I think I got like 16 times FTL.)
The blog for MFTL+ and High 4-C
(Values of 1318 for speed, and 3.37 FOE for AP)
Hopefully this works but also Elaine's FTL craft statement
Specific arts that state they are light that are relevent:
Zeruel canon and Cross Crusade
Luminous ray, Atelier canon and again Cross Crusade
Saint arrow and Ark of El Dorado

Emma's S-craft is calculated at anywhere from Multi-continental to Moon level
(82 petatons to 77 Exatons)
Ishmelga's S-craft is calculated at brown dwarf
(271 ronnatons of tnt)

Sky the 3rds final boss blows up the planet in their S-craft

there's also the whole creating a pocket dimension that's at least 4-A due to stars and a moon Possibly a universe from Sky 3rd too. (So 16.88 ExaFoe to Universal)

We can divy up who scales to what later on. But all of these pretty unambiguously scale to Rean.
Be it from being the in the games they are directly from (Lost genesis, Ishmelga, the several light arts, Emma) or Scaling to the character's (Elian shouldn't be faster then character's like Sara (especially when she questions her promotion to A-rank at first), Shizuna pretty much is only interested in Fighting Rean of the 8L1B masters and a few horizen spoilers I won't say. And almost all the Sky cast appears in CS3,4 and Reverie to help and are pretty much not so obviously above everyone else.

There are more feats and statements but honestly I just grabbed the biggest and most notable one's that could easily be scaled.
Pre time skip rean can just be scaled to Emma or 4-A (Because thanks Cold steel 2 epilogue, Lloyd and Rean tie). Post time skip High 4-C or again 4-A.

And Speed wise anywhere from FTL to MFTL+ is pretty consistant.

Even pre-timeskip rean should get it due to the above light based arts.

OK so something from the trails of horizen Demo Will spoiler tag, but it also makes a lot of things a lot easier.

Spoiler: Horizen demo spoilers

Rean's just stated to have a FTL craft

 

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The horizon demo makes me smile happily.

But couldn’t we argue for immeasurable trails too? Or at the bare minimum infinite due to the world of zero & Demiogorus?

 

[Jesterofgames]

The horizon demo makes me smile happily.

But couldn’t we argue for immeasurable trails too? Or at the bare minimum infinite due to the world of zero & Demiogorus?

We could, but again that's more contentious and I'd prefer if the profile out with more solid scaling be done before we tackle more contentious scalings. Because If say a downgrade thread happened immedeatly because the evidence wasn't good enough, then we'd need to sort out what they scale too. where as if we put more solid scaling, then do an upgrade thread later on the contentious scaling. Then it's more simple.

 

[Endswriting]

I get you, so we could say like FTL lowball( since we got straight statements ) , infinite mid ball and immeasurable highball?

 

[Endswriting]

Do we know if the person who was working on the Rean sandbox is still active? Cause if not I could go ahead and start chipping away at a page

 

[Jesterofgames]

I get you, so we could say like FTL lowball( since we got straight statements ) , infinite mid ball and immeasurable highball?

Well low ball be FTL To MFTL+ for a lowball.

 

[Jesterofgames]

Do we know if the person who was working on the Rean sandbox is still active? Cause if not I could go ahead and start chipping away at a page

not a clue if the user isstill active

 

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not a clue if the user isstill active

He seems active on other threads & such, I’ll shoot him a message and ask if he’s still working on the sandbox or such

 

[Jesterofgames]

But ye feel like Rean, OR Estelle (due to the sky remake doing decently well plus she being the first protagonist with basically the same scaling to rean)'s sandboxes are the most important to make. Any other wider sandboxes, blogs or the like being somethign that can happen later. With perhaps the exception of a combat orbment thing. But that's debatable.

 

[Endswriting]

But ye feel like Rean, OR Estelle (due to the sky remake doing decently well plus she being the first protagonist with basically the same scaling to rean)'s sandboxes are the most important to make. Any other wider sandboxes, blogs or the like being somethign that can happen later. With perhaps the exception of a combat orbment thing. But that's debatable.

I think all the protagonists sand boxes should be done imo. Lloyd probably be one of the more important ones since his game is where we get a lot of the higher end scaling and then everyone chain scales onwards

 

[Jesterofgames]

I think all the protagonists sand boxes should be done imo. Lloyd probably be one of the more important ones since his game is where we get a lot of the higher end scaling and then everyone chain scales onwards

Again, I feel like rushing into higher scalings will just bite us. especially when not everyone on the thread is sold on them. HEnce me suggesting just using the 2nd best thing in Sky's Phantasma scaling to 4-A we can tackle 2-A later on.

 

[sukuna171]

Again, I feel like rushing into higher scalings will just bite us. especially when not everyone on the thread is sold on them. HEnce me suggesting just using the 2nd best thing in Sky's Phantasma scaling to 4-A we can tackle 2-A later on.

I agree, there's no need to rush the tier 2 stuff.

 

[Endswriting]

True enough, horizon tomorrow so after that’s done we could start buckling down

 

[Endswriting]

Alright, horizon is complete. Disgusting stuff for scaling in this game, but let’s tackle things one at a time.

if anyone is active on the thread, we could start discussing where to go from here, since the owner of the sandbox gave us permission to use it or add onto it

 

[Jesterofgames]

Alright, horizon is complete. Disgusting stuff for scaling in this game, but let’s tackle things one at a time.

if anyone is active on the thread, we could start discussing where to go from here, since the owner of the sandbox gave us permission to use it or add onto it

Feel free to write some stuffdown that's relevent. spoiler tagged for those still completing it.

 

[NIK_FARIS]

Just asking, but other than Rean, whose profile/profiles are in the making here?

 

[Jesterofgames]

Just asking, but other than Rean, whose profile/profiles are in the making here?

Currently the plan is just Rean’s first to establish a basis. THEN the rest.


There is also some dispute over the scalings.
Personally I think we should just use the currently 4-A to low 2-C scaling. And higher stuff can be addressed in a thread afterwords. (I only suggest this because it’s a small niche verse. And using more solid scaling is easier then Going for the 2-B to 2-A scaling discussed then it possibly getting debunked and need to downgrade anyways.)

 

[NIK_FARIS]

Currently the plan is just Rean’s first to establish a basis. THEN the rest.


There is also some dispute over the scalings.
Personally I think we should just use the currently 4-A to low 2-C scaling. And higher stuff can be addressed in a thread afterwords. (I only suggest this because it’s a small niche verse. And using more solid scaling is easier then Going for the 2-B to 2-A scaling discussed then it possibly getting debunked and need to downgrade anyways.)

I see.. I actually have Van's profile that I done since 2024 but i rarely update it. It still lack abilities and the scans. Oh and beware, that profile actually include Kai no Kiseki or (Trails Beyond the Horizon) info though it won't matter much unless you understand the context behind it.

 

[XatorNova]

Hello,
I wanted to ask you guys how high does Estelle scale
I've only played Trails in the Sky, which I really liked back in the day, but it's my understanding that she shows up in later games
Is there some cosmology scaling in those?