Low 1-A Honkai Upgrade

[PedjaTarzan]

Also like genuinely noone here actually seems to get my arguments I don’t think even the mods who agreed do lmao

Like noone here is actually capable of addressing why undifferentiation into non-dimensionality isn’t Low 1-A lol. And it hasn’t even been addressed lol; just strawman after strawman

atp drop TL;DR maybe that can help

 

[SuperNova55555]

atp drop TL;DR maybe that can help

I’ve literally explained it like 5 different times bro what tl;dr is there to give anymore

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I’ve literally explained it like 5 different times bro what tl;dr is there anymore

idk bro. i did the same with my stuff, maybe its the friends along the way
tho you can just re quote all those explanations into one text and pray (tho i did that in low2-C genshin thread and it didnt work so idk)

 

[Qawsedf234]

Honestly, even if weren’t told, it would still be implicit from the second part of the CRT. (The HooH one)

I don't know the verse well, and I'm not getting clear answers about what I'm asking for. Part of the discussion rules is to explain something if asked.

When arguing for changing character statistics, do not assume that the staff will have in-depth knowledge about the fictional franchise in question. Make sure to explain your suggestions in a structured manner that is easy to comprehend. You will not be allowed to change any statistics if people cannot understand what you mean.

Do you think Low 1-A Universal Concepts have composition/volume?

Yes, because that's how we define it:

Characters whose power is on the level of the Von Neumann Universe. That is, they either encompass, or can affect structures which encompass, the collection including all possible dimensional spaces.

It's about volume, and Low 1-A is affecting or being equal to a structure composed of all possible dimensional spaces.

Can you elaborate how it’s interacted here?

Because people from real space can draw it to real space and then change it. That shows interaction.

And did I ever claim 1-A…?

Did I claim that you claimed 1-A? Because I was responding to the following:

That's literally why this could even be tiered as Low 1-A or even 1-A through Ultima's standards, because it was Ultima himself who made it explicit predating the concept of duality as in like space-times, dimensionality, and so on especially physicality would get you 1-A. I feel like it's there somewhere on the BDE page or like just Ultima's overall explanations when he explained this kind of duality stuff

As of now, I don't see a clear reason for Imaginary Space as being Low 1-A. Not having a quality does not make it super to that quality, same with touching X number of qualities.

 

[Unqver]

What the hell? Dawg why are you being "very lenient"? You yourself said you saw no proof that Imaginary space was big enough for Low 1-A. You're just conceding to not only Low 1-A HooH but imaginary space too for literally no reason????

 

[Maniaunavailable]

Aight so with all due respect staff, I still don't see the answer OP is looking for. Unless I missed something

 

[Voidnether]

As of now, I don't see a clear reason for Imaginary Space as being Low 1-A. Not having a quality does not make it super to that quality, same with touching X number of qualities.

Low 1-A Honkai Upgrade

This is an indexing site. Not someone's Instagram account filled with filters. High 1-C is cooler though

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Low 1-A Honkai Upgrade

lack space-time altogether It says space and time frozen, not lacking them Also i remembered HooH scan specifically excludes space and time And more, HooH is stated to have dissolved into a web of logic, yet in IX scans stated logic is just a part that made up one side of the coin, Nihility...

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There are scans that Otto has to transcend reality just to be a part of the Imaginary Space and become a slave to the Imaginary, and that Aeons have to descend to the material world since their actual forms exist in the Imaginary Space or that weapons related to dimensionality (all dimensions) are useless against the Singularity that birthed spatiality itself because gravity works the same in every possible dimensions anyway. To bypass Sirin's Imaginary Barrier that's constructed using the Imaginary, Welt literally had to empower himself (his core power is the Imaginary Singularity btw) which is stated as something the fake Star of Eden cannot do (since the fake one doesn't have the Imaginary Singularity, which is derived through the Imaginary Space)

 

[SuperNova55555]

It's about volume, and Low 1-A is affecting or being equal to a structure composed of all possible dimensional spaces.

How the hell can a Universal be the whole of its particulars? Lol? To be the “what-it-is” of something requires you to lack those notions as accidents added to your substance, i.e that you are not a particular yourself, otherwise you’d be participating in yourself which then just devolves into the Third Man argument

If it’s just a set, it’s no longer a concept at all. It wouldn’t even qualify for CM3 at that point.

As of now, I don't see a clear reason for Imaginary Space as being Low 1-A. Not having a quality does not make it super to that quality, same with touching X number of qualities.

I never stated non-dimensionality = beyond-dimensionality. There’s a very specific induction I made in combination with all the other points which at this point I believe is being intentionally ignored because every time someone tries to repeat my argument, it somehow always seems to be defiled beyond recognition:

Also like genuinely noone here actually seems to get my arguments I don’t think even the mods who agreed do lmao

Like noone here is actually capable of addressing why undifferentiation into non-dimensionality isn’t Low 1-A lol. And it hasn’t even been addressed lol; just strawman after strawman

Because people from real space can draw it to real space and then change it. That shows interaction.

I was talking about it in a disqualifiable sense, because interaction with Imaginary Space is always only achieved by help from Imaginary itself (like with help of Aeons for example)

 

[Qawsedf234]

How the hell can a Universal be the whole of its particulars? Lol?

A space containing all spaces can be called a universe, multiverse, or general cosmology. The core justification is still the same: the structure is composed of all possible dimensional spaces. It's about volume and size.

There are scans that Otto has to transcend reality just to be a part of the Imaginary Space and become a slave to the Imaginary, and that Aeons have to descend to the material world since their actual forms exist in the Imaginary Space or that weapons related to dimensionality (all dimensions) are useless against the Singularity that birthed spatiality itself because gravity works the same in every possible dimensions anyway. To bypass Sirin's Imaginary Barrier that's constructed using the Imaginary, Welt literally had to empower himself (his core power is the Imaginary Singularity btw) which is stated as something the fake Star of Eden cannot do (since the fake one doesn't have the Imaginary Singularity, which is derived through the Imaginary Space)

Of these, the only thing I see as evidence for Low 1-A is the gravity scan. Overall, I'm just not really for Low 1-A currently.

 

[SuperNova55555]

A space containing all spaces can be called a universe, multiverse, or general cosmology. The core justification is still the same: the structure is composed of all possible dimensional spaces. It's about volume and size.

This doesn’t address what I just said.

So when Ultima says that the “what-it-is” of a thing is Low 1-A, and I show why that thing cannot logically partake of itself in any way, why do you insist it needs volume? (Also, “volume” again lol; something that is too big to be qualified of space cannot be said to have spatial configurations)

Real quick tho, can I know what exactly you think my argument is? Cuz this is the third time I’m saying that a lot of people here don’t actually know it.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

A space containing all spaces can be called a universe, multiverse, or general cosmology. The core justification is still the same: the structure is composed of all possible dimensional spaces. It's about volume and size.

Of these, the only thing I see as evidence for Low 1-A is the gravity scan. Overall, I'm just not really for Low 1-A currently.

what else is needed, because gravity scan helps a lot with low 1-A.

 

[Maniaunavailable]

what else is needed, because gravity scan helps a lot with low 1-A.

second this

 

[Vietthai96]

What the hell? Dawg why are you being "very lenient"? You yourself said you saw no proof that Imaginary space was big enough for Low 1-A. You're just conceding to not only Low 1-A HooH but imaginary space too for literally no reason????

Actually, not no reason, just little reasons, their argument for their interpretation isn't bad, just have a shaky ground that can be interpreted in other way around. So if you take their interpretation, it could be Low 1-A, and beside, it is not like their claim is only "hey this stuff is stated to transcend dimensions" so it is Low 1-A

Also i did state that HooH argument is possibly Low 1-A, if only it scale to that level due to it is the union of all dualities. Actually, union of all dualites could get you to 1-A, theoretically speaking. But from its scan, it seems more like taking about nominalism dual concepts than universal concepts

Of these, the only thing I see as evidence for Low 1-A is the gravity scan. Overall, I'm just not really for Low 1-A currently.

Not the Gravity scan again lol. It is just a specific function in brane cosmology where gravity can affect all (available) dimensions, while other forces are limited within membrane

 

[henryzx900ruly]

the big henryzx900ruly agrees. you have the hoyoverse saviors praise

 

[SuperNova55555]

But from its scan, it seems more like taking about nominalism dual concepts than universal concepts

Honestly, I was also getting somewhat of an impression like that—at least, in regards to the Arbitrators. Imaginary does literally create non-existence tho so it’s not like it would be farfetched if true.

The thing for HooH though is that—most importantly—he dissolved himself into what controls the topology of the universe, i.e he controls the movement and arrangement of all parts that the Universe comprises of. And non-existence is one of the “parts” here as well. So this means everything in the Universe has a “negation” that balances it. But both the positive and negative are real objects in the Universe, so when HooH split them apart, they must’ve initially been one.

But, as it’s been clear, I myself disagree with CM1 for HSR, so what HooH does here is just qualify how the Imaginary manifests itself into Reality. Naturally, it can’t be that he himself is qualified by such things, and since he must precede the division of all these things—at least to Real Space, he must precede it in s non-dual, undifferentiated kind of sense, which is also Low 1-A.

Not the Gravity scan again lol. It is just a specific function in brane cosmology where gravity can affect all (available) dimensions, while other forces are limited within membrane

Yea

 

[Qawsedf234]

what else is needed, because gravity scan helps a lot with low 1-A.

Gravity doesn't really help, it's the only evidence for Low 1-A. Which according to Vet:

Not the Gravity scan again lol. It is just a specific function in brane cosmology where gravity can affect all (available) dimensions, while other forces are limited within membrane

It is a function with the brane they're in rather than some omnipresent function.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Gravity doesn't really help, it's the only evidence for Low 1-A. Which according to Vet:

It is a function with the brane they're in rather than some omnipresent function.

i dont rly get the second part because it would appliy to the physical universe and sea of quanta since they pretty much rival each other and thus it would affect entire real space
and like i said welts power of gravity still wouldnt do anything to img space due to its superiority towards both sea of quanta and the tree

 

[SuperNova55555]

Gravity is genuinely the only thing in those scans that has nothing to do with Low 1-A. How is that the thing that somehow implied the tier for you?? I’m so confused

 

[PedjaTarzan]

the closest thing relating to that is this dead crt

 

[Vietthai96]

and like i said welts power of gravity still wouldnt do anything to img space due to its superiority towards both sea of quanta and the tree

It isn't, Gravity or Dimensional Weapons (as their name implied) requires dimensions to work, simply lacking dimensions is enough for them to not work, no need for superiority.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

It isn't, Gravity or Dimensional Weapons (as their name implied) requires dimensions to work, simply lacking dimensions is enough for them to not work, no need for superiority.

But img space is already shown to be superior so idk what do you want from us at this point. since nothing in both Op an me says that its just "lacking dimensions"

 

[Vietthai96]

But img space is already shown to be superior so idk what do you want from us at this point. since nothing in both Op an me says that its just "lacking dimensions"

Show what?, nothing stated that INS is superior, just you guys interpreting that it is. Did the scan said INS transcends and is greater than Real Space?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Show what?, nothing stated that INS is superior, just you guys interpreting that it is. Did the scan said INS transcends and is greater than Real Space?

Ill re quote this because this is wrong.

because its completely transcending real space thats bounded by dimensions, hence imaginary singularity and img space have all this dimensionless, no dimensional info and non existing in dimension slop.
Because you need to completely transcend real space just to be part of imaginary
Even otto did that, and Aeons and CoF do this thousands of times better when Aeons literally need to descend into form of physical avatars and cof needs their projections into real world (Herrschers), On top of this we already have kiana as the imaginary singularity transcending all dimensions statement and yet is only existing within the confines of imaginary space. this used to be BDE type 2 long ago before it was removed without actual justifications (low 1-A downgrade before was just absolute infinity)
This is why Irontomb destroying entire Universe (imaginary tree) did not touch imaginary space and aeons in the slightest because THEIR existence is so much superior to real space
dont see how would bde1 make sense here if existence of imaginary space aeons and CoF completely and absolutely surpass real space thats actually dimensional slop

So in general, Imaginary space cannot be bde1 due to its nature as a realm transcendent towards real space, which actually holds dimensions of the verse. even welts singularity rebuild which we have as an attack that can affect all dimensions, would not be able to interact with imaginary space in the slightest.
CoF that already transcends all dimensions as the imaginary singularity is still bound by imaginary space.
Irontomb destroying "imaginary tree" only destroyed its Real Space while leaving Imaginary Space untouched, otherwise Cyrene and Trailblazer would not appear inside path space and nous would not be able to cast a gaze because tha would imply IMG space also got destroyed
Imaginary space is the origin of the universe and everything originates from it.
And like, all the statements of being "dimensionless" "carry no dimensional information" and "not existing in any dimension you can get in touch with" is more proving its superiority than just lacking dimensional attributtes while not being superior to them.
When imaginary space is far superior to Real Space, which requires complete transcendence over it, you would obviously be beyond the dimensions itself as well, and it cannot be +1D if it just transcends real space, as that would imply it is still dimensions, which all the scans here would prove otherwise.
Also, somewhere across the scans the "tree" is also mentioned, but that is because in hi3 imaginary tree is both real and Imaginary space, with Imaginary space being that Low 1-A realm that exits beyond dimensions and tree being physical universe aka part of real space
This+everything super nova already adressed makes it clear to be low 1-A

and btw all this is even accepted here and here now these are indeed accepting img space to be +1D jump according to current scaling, but with everything supernova and i have given so far theres genuenly 0 sense to say that IMS is not superior to real space (dimensions too) when the reason real space even exist is because of IMS.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

also since you already asked for direct statement of IMS>Real space its right here

altho it mentions "Tree" its literally talking about IMS since reality here is the actual real space

 

[SuperNova55555]

Show what?, nothing stated that INS is superior, just you guys interpreting that it is. Did the scan said INS transcends and is greater than Real Space?

I alr added the scan saying that Imaginary Space had the essences of the universe, wherein all laws converge back to it

 

[VericulumVenatrix]

can the mods just agree so we can get back 1-a kiana already

 

[Vietthai96]

Ill re quote this because this is wrong.

and btw all this is even accepted here and here now these are indeed accepting img space to be +1D jump according to current scaling, but with everything supernova and i have given so far theres genuenly 0 sense to say that IMS is not superior to real space (dimensions too) when the reason real space even exist is because of IMS.

...........beyond the 4D space-time is Low 1-A

Anyway, transcend here is pretty much just mean go beyond, outside of something. And the scan pretty much saying beyond the 4D space-time universe

There is also scans about Otto conceptualized SoQ and Imaginary Tree as higher-dimensional model compare to 4d space-time they are exists within. Pretty much is an anti-evidence against Low 1-A claim, since they are simply higher dimensional to 4D, not something beyond-dimensional in literal sense. Unless Imaginary Space =/= Imaginary Tree and Sea of Quanta

Anyway, Imaginary is superior, but is to 4D space-time as higher-dimensional, not literal beyond dimensional

I alr added the scan saying that Imaginary Space had the essences of the universe, wherein all laws converge back to it

Oke, but i don't think it matter much, being essence of 4D space-time doesn't really help that much, of course you can interpreting it as being essence of universe, and universe is physical dimensions, so essence of universe = essence of dimensions = Low 1-A. But i remember i already said, being origin of dimensions not necessarily Low 1-A

Though anyway i still keep my vote at Possibly Low 1-A, since your interpretation do have its merit

Edit: don't ask me scan lol i'm still fixing my PC (my RAM decided to sleep on me again) and i'm using phone currently

 

[Voidnether]

...........beyond the 4D space-time is Low 1-A

Anyway, transcend here is pretty much just mean go beyond, outside of something. And the scan pretty much saying beyond the 4D space-time universe

There is also scans about Otto conceptualized SoQ and Imaginary Tree as higher-dimensional model compare to 4d space-time they are exists within. Pretty much is an anti-evidence against Low 1-A claim, since they are simply higher dimensional to 4D, not something beyond-dimensional in literal sense. Unless Imaginary Space =/= Imaginary Tree and Sea of Quanta

Anyway, Imaginary is superior, but is to 4D space-time as higher-dimensional, not literal beyond dimensional

Oke, but i don't think it matter much, being essence of 4D space-time doesn't really help that much, of course you can interpreting it as being essence of universe, and universe is physical dimensions, so essence of universe = essence of dimensions = Low 1-A. But i remember i already said, being origin of dimensions not necessarily Low 1-A

You know I already explained that it's not a literal 4-D space-time (refer to when I mentioned about that imaginary space thread), if that were the case then we would be nuking 1-B and replace it to Low 1-C using this logic despite it was asserted on the cosmology blog that the Sea of Quanta is a 10 dimensional space and 1 dimensional time which follows the uncompactified M-Theory. And then I legit proposed it to be High 1-B and higher because it was stated the amount of dimensions that can exist is infinite and this goes both ways for their spatial axes and their overall size

Regardless, these don't correlate with what the Low 1-A in the OP, I already mentioned that the entire 4-D space-time thing weren't mean to be taken seriously when we have it to be 10 + 1 dimensional and then Hilbert Space

You know I argued the universe that was stated to be a 4 dimensional space-time to be extended up to 11-D and even up to infinite dimensions, that's why I even brought up that hilbert space scans. Because it refers to the universe. The same 4 dimensional space-time that inherits the 11 dimensional property of the Sea of Quanta and just overall the universe HI3 is in, that I argued is High 1-B. The "Earth" that Einstein was talking about as the lowest transfinite cardinal/number

 

[Vietthai96]

You know I already explained that it's not a literal 4-D space-time (refer to when I mentioned about that imaginary space thread), if that were the case then we would be nuking 1-B and replace it to Low 1-C using this logic despite it was asserted on the cosmology blog that the Sea of Quanta is a 10 dimensional space and 1 dimensional time which follows the uncompactified M-Theory. And then I legit proposed it to be High 1-B and higher because it was stated the amount of dimensions that can exist is infinite and this goes both ways for their spatial axes and their overall size

Regardless, these don't correlate with what the Low 1-A in the OP, I already mentioned that the entire 4-D space-time thing weren't mean to be taken seriously when we have it to be 10 + 1 dimensional and then Hilbert Space

You know I argued the universe that was stated to be a 4 dimensional space-time to be extended up to 11-D and even up to infinite dimensions, that's why I even brought up that hilbert space scans. Because it refers to the universe. The same 4 dimensional space-time that inherits the 11 dimensional property of the Sea of Quanta and just overall the universe HI3 is in, that I argued is High 1-B. The "Earth" that Einstein was talking about as the lowest transfinite cardinal/number

Dude, 11D or Infinite D are still considered as higher-dimensional compare to 4D, you are nitpicking over very small details that not relevant. Low 1-A is completely beyond dimensional in a quantitative sense. I didn't say anything about Low 1-C, did you just see that i say higher-dimensional compare to 4D automatically mean Low 1-C? Higher-dimensional is a broad term encompasses anything that is higher than 3 basic spatial dimensions up until transfinite dimensions

 

[Voidnether]

Dude, 11D or Infinite D are still considered as higher-dimensional compare to 4D, you are nitpicking over very small details that not relevant. Low 1-A is completely beyond dimensional in a quantitative sense. I didn't say anything about Low 1-C, did you just see that i say higher-dimensional compare to 4D automatically mean Low 1-C? Higher-dimensional is a broad term encompasses anything that is higher than 3 basic spatial dimensions up until transfinite dimensions

The same 4-D space-time there inherits the property of a 11 dimensional space-time and it was stated to be infinite dimensional according to the visual novels because where else would they be talking that the dimensions can be infinite in spatial axes and size simultaneously

You literally have 3 choices here
1. Affirm it's a 4-D space-time
2. Affirm it's a 11 dimensional space-time because again, that 4-D space-time that Otto talked about inherited the property of the 11 dimensional space-time, surely I don't have to explain why Leaf Worlds inherit the properties of the Tree just like SoQ with their bubbles right?
3. Affirm it's infinite dimensional based on the AE visual novel scans just like the 11-D one

I hope you understand that these are the sizes of the Real Space, it's the size of Leaf Worlds, they can go from 4-D to 11-D to infinite dimensional whichever route you took

Why it doesn't matter for Imaginary Space? Read the arguments in the OP, the size of the Real Space doesn't matter whether it be 4-D, 11-D or infinite dimensional, what matters is that Imaginary Space itself is Low 1-A as it lacks dimension and transcends all dimensions at the same time. There's a reason why all dimensions here aren't just limited to the dimensions in Real Space, in which again, the OP already explained it multiple times over and over and over that I'm tired of hearing it too

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Meanwhile me sitting here caring more about the astral express getting buffed rather than low 1-a rn

 

[Voidnether]

Meanwhile me sitting here caring more about the astral express getting buffed rather than low 1-a rn

Nah bro I actually live in the trenches with these threads and that's not even including the other verse which has someone being the aspect of time to be interpreted to Low 2-C, HDE, concept type 2 and so on

 

[Vietthai96]

The same 4-D space-time there inherits the property of a 11 dimensional space-time and it was stated to be infinite dimensional according to the visual novels because where else would they be talking that the dimensions can be infinite in spatial axes and size simultaneously

Dude, Otto literally stated 4D space-time, so it is 4D space-time, you can't twist this thing into inherits the property of 11D. So either

1. The game being main canon and the information being newest/lastest information retconned the novel which is the secondary, spin-off material and is older

2. The bubble inherits 11D but they are compactified thus not tierable, unlike the SoQ and the Tree where 11D is fully uncompactified

Talking about infinite D, the scan literally just a statement in a vacuum that point toward no specific thing. It just said dimension of space is unlimited, that is all. Don't tell me you assume that everything, even the bubble universe (which is world in chinese) that have the size of city like in Bronnie Silver Wolf patch or the bubble with the size of Europe in Durandal backstory to be High 1-B?

Why it doesn't matter for Imaginary Space? Read the arguments in the OP, the size of the Real Space doesn't matter whether it be 4-D, 11-D or infinite dimensional, what matters is that Imaginary Space itself is Low 1-A as it lacks dimension and transcends all dimensions at the same time

I think i already explained, and Ultima even rejected this in previous thread. Remind you that CoF stated to transcends all dimensions and yet it is also stated somewhere that it lack onto the Imaginary Tree, and Kiana HoF power can't even influence anything outside the Solar System, heck i remember that her power can't even reach Mars or Venus

 

[Voidnether]

Dude, Otto literally stated 4D space-time, so it is 4D space-time, you can't twist this thing into inherits the property of 11D. So either

1. The game being main canon and the information being newest/lastest information retconned the novel which is the secondary, spin-off material and is older

2. The bubble inherits 11D but they are compactified thus not tierable, unlike the SoQ and the Tree where 11D is fully uncompactified

Talking about infinite D, the scan literally just a statement in a vacuum that point toward no specific thing. It just said dimension of space is unlimited, that is all. Don't tell me you assume that everything, even the bubble universe (which is world in chinese) that have the size of city like in Bronnie Silver Wolf patch or the bubble with the size of Europe in Durandal backstory to be High 1-B?

It's literally a common sense that this entire High 1-B stuff only applies to the leaf worlds that HI3 is in, they made a differentiation between bubble universes and bubble worlds, 100% you know this one. If you are that desperate with making the leaf worlds only a 4 dimensional space-time, Imaginary Tree being higher-dimensional and the Sea of Quanta to this would literally MEANT they're ONLY a Low 1-C structure, do I really have to explain why this just doesn't work???

I think i already explained, and Ultima even rejected this in previous thread. Remind you that CoF stated to transcends all dimensions and yet it is also stated somewhere that it lack onto the Imaginary Tree, and Kiana HoF power can't even influence anything outside the Solar System, heck i remember that her power can't even reach Mars or Venus

??? I actually don't know why this matters to you that much, apply this logic to Nasuverse, or any chinaman novels and you'd understand why this is wrong. It's like Earth in Nasuverse isn't 6-D/8-D off Texture / Mooncell because it's the same Earth that's supposed to represent our Earth irl, like do you not see the problem

 

[Vietthai96]

It's literally a common sense that this entire High 1-B stuff only applies to the leaf worlds that HI3 is in, they made a differentiation between bubble universes and bubble worlds, 100% you know this one. If you are that desperate with making the leaf worlds only a 4 dimensional space-time, Imaginary Tree being higher-dimensional and the Sea of Quanta to this would literally MEANT they're ONLY a Low 1-C structure, do I really have to explain why this just doesn't work???

What are you talking about?, Bubble universe being 4D doesn't make higher-dimensional SoQ or the Tree being capped at Low 1-C. Did you actually read what i said?

Also common sense what?. It is common sense to you but not me, the scan and its statement is literally talking in a vaccuum about dimension of space can be unlimited, where did it said that worlds is infinite D?. You are making fanfiction at this point

??? I actually don't know why this matters to you that much, apply this logic to Nasuverse, or any chinaman novels and you'd understand why this is wrong. It's like Earth in Nasuverse isn't 6-D/8-D off Texture / Mooncell because it's the same Earth that's supposed to represent our Earth irl, like do you not see the problem

Idk about Chinaman, but Nasuverse is a completely different thing. The earth isn't even literal Earth as simply a Planet, but it is covered in Texture which act as layers of reality. With the outermost being Human Texture which follows the laws of physic, the Reverse Side of the World is the world of Mystery which follow the laws of Mystery instead and is a higher-dimensional realm, the Avalon the land faries is which have 6D due to Avalon statement, and Texture is infinite in size. But again, i don't scale everything in Nasuverse, if you have problem with it, bring it up to supporters or make downgrade, i don't see it or any other verses being relevant in this discussion

 

[PedjaTarzan]

...........beyond the 4D space-time is Low 1-A

Anyway, transcend here is pretty much just mean go beyond, outside of something. And the scan pretty much saying beyond the 4D space-time universe

So we just got to +1D here ??? if the tree exists beyond reality to the point it doesnt have anything to do with dimensionality while being very source of entire cosmlogy with even imaginary singularity transcending all dimensions we now got +1D???

There is also scans about Otto conceptualized SoQ and Imaginary Tree as higher-dimensional model compare to 4d space-time they are exists within. Pretty much is an anti-evidence against Low 1-A claim, since they are simply higher dimensional to 4D, not something beyond-dimensional in literal sense. Unless Imaginary Space =/= Imaginary Tree and Sea of Quanta

Anyway, Imaginary is superior, but is to 4D space-time as higher-dimensional, not literal beyond dimensional

Literally retconned in later chapters when tree is stated to NOT exist in any dimension btw
Why do you use past statements about tree being “conceptualized” as higher dimensional and use leaf worlds being 4D as an anti feat
Like i think i should just downgrade tree to 3-A because
In hi3: Otto used that analogy to explain univerde as a tree like structure with IMS space as a superior domain that exists beyond reality
and in hsr zandars just calls it a theory so its fake
Like if it takes 300 thousands statements about IMS being about real space and dimensions and a literal vsbw quote about transcending dimensions being low 1-A according to bde page and FaQ i dont even know if standards ko from pages actually work anymore.
But no apparently imaginary space only transcends 4D space despite encompasisng both sea of quanta and tree being superior towards them and transcends it completely.
I dont know if im crazy or if the world is crazy

 

[SuperNova55555]

Oke, but i don't think it matter much, being essence of 4D space-time doesn't really help that much, of course you can interpreting it as being essence of universe, and universe is physical dimensions, so essence of universe = essence of dimensions = Low 1-A. But i remember i already said, being origin of dimensions not necessarily Low 1-A

Yeye ik, but I was just tryna show that a certain superiority existed in at least some way.

Though anyway i still keep my vote at Possibly Low 1-A, since your interpretation do have its merit

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I think i already explained, and Ultima even rejected this in previous thread. Remind you that CoF stated to transcends all dimensions and yet it is also stated somewhere that it lack onto the Imaginary Tree, and Kiana HoF power can't even influence anything outside the Solar System, heck i remember that her power can't even reach Mars or Venus

Nothing ever stated that lmao, shes literally stated to absorb honkai from earth to help civilization recover while cof assimilates it
CoF has set up honkai energy tidal zone to keep people to go from in and out of solar system and shes just within confines of img space WHICH IS WHY ITS ALSO LOW 1-A
and dont even try to assume that its just limited to solar system when
kiana could **** up entire solar system completely if she had missed sa
and welt vs zephyro literally ruptures entire cosmos
Now if you do believe that CoF is literally and only bound by solar system, while its own projection that USES powers obtained from CoF as an imaginary singularity CAN affect all dimensions in the verse and can literally rupture cosmos at full power then ig we should start using
welt>cof>herrschers.
Edit: another thing, while CoF is actively keeping influence across solar system for the sake of assimilation Kiana as their own projection literally sends out waves across cosmos that garden of recollection picks up
This is how amphoreus, world isolated from the universe located at the edge of cosmos was located by garden of recollection.
entire way of debunking low 1-A bcs cocoon is just influencing solar system is literally a desperate attempt lol

 

[SuperNova55555]

Nothing ever stated that lmao, shes literally stated to absorb honkai from earth to help civilization recover while cof assimilates it
CoF has set up honkai energy tidal zone to keep people to go from in and out of solar system and shes just within confines of img space WHICH IS WHY ITS ALSO LOW 1-A
and dont even try to assume that its just limited to solar system when
1% kiana could **** up entire solar system completely if she had missed sa
and welt vs zephyro literally ruptures entire cosmos

Zephyro (Outerversal) > HSR Welt (Hyperversal) > CoF (Solar System)

 

[PedjaTarzan]

its even worse when Nous, aeon that calculated instants by literally cutting off fragile branches from imaginary tree, basically “influencing” the tree itself
Cannot reach hi3 solar system as its saids to go beyond the gaze of aeons
well i guess nous isnt rly 1-B anymore but idk 3-A *******