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Low 1-A Honkai Upgrade

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Btw, I js found ts stuff. Doesn't rlly prove prove my point any further than what’s alr proven in the OP but it should really help with asserting that Imaginary Space is the source and superior place and shit if some of ya'll (still) been wondering dat + "converge" is a really nice word imo since it continues to prove everything relates back to it in unity.
 
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Voidnether said:
I hope you get to evaluate a chinaman verse where galaxy, universe, multiverse are used as justifications for 1-A and above (truth be told, how chinaman interprets things is simply beyond everyone's understanding)
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"A frog in a well cannot discuss the ocean; a Gacha scaler cannot discuss the Dao."
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Do it I dare you.
 
PedjaTarzan said:
bump can you evaluate crt now? it just needs one (or 2) votes
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The explanation I was given is that Imaginary Space exist connected to all spaces and would exist even in higher dimensional axis still connected to everything.

That's not the same as being the origin of dimensions and other users have pointed out that concepts or items coming from Imaginary don't interact with reality until they themselves become real. Overall I don't see it as being superior dimensionally or the origin of spatial axis, which are the requirements for Low 1-A. By lacking a defined volume in a mathematical sense it doesn't even get a rating other than some conceptual hax related powers since it wouldn't qualify for 1-A either from my reading.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
The explanation I was given is that Imaginary Space exist connected to all spaces and would exist even in higher dimensional axis still connected to everything.

That's not the same as being the origin of dimensions and other users have pointed out that concepts or items coming from Imaginary don't interact with reality until they themselves become real. Overall I don't see it as being superior dimensionally or the origin of spatial axis, which are the requirements for Low 1-A. By lacking a defined volume in a mathematical sense it doesn't even get a rating other than some conceptual hax related powers since it wouldn't qualify for 1-A either from my reading.
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Are you not sure if dimensions originate from Imaginary Space or something…?

And the argument I’m using here isn’t exactly what I think I’m getting from your comment: it’s actually that all dimensions are undifferentiated in their negation [the non-dimensionality of Imaginary], so it can’t be that additional spatial dimensions change this (0+0+0…=0). The existing in all dimensions and unification part is then further clarified by the fact everything converges back to Imaginary by relating back to its source/essence.

I mean, I’ve had to say this a bunch of times but undifferentiation is specifically how this wiki qualifies any 1-A-adjacent thing, that is, by delimiting composition (which is what I’m tryna show).

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Overall I don't see it as being superior dimensionally the origin of spatial axis, which are the requirements for Low 1-A.
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Neither of these are inherently Low 1-A. Something like the “source of space” is generally assumed to only ever be “the source of the space emergent from it” without further qualification (especially if part-whole relations exist within the source). Similar things can be said for the former reasoning. Though, I won’t hound you for this since I’m pretty sure you know and js didn’t bother going into details.
 
Super_Nova said:
Are you not sure if dimensions originate from Imaginary Space or something…?
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I asked for evidence and it wasn't provided. They just told me to read something that also didn't provide evidence for it.
Super_Nova said:
: it’s actually that all dimensions are undifferentiated in their negation [the non-dimensionality of Imaginary], so it can’t be that additional spatial dimensions change this (0+0+0…=0).
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Having Zero Dimensions isn't an AP feat. You have to have a volume of some capacity to get that rating. If they're not real then they're not tierable.

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mean, I’ve had to say this a bunch of times but undifferentiation is specifically how this wiki qualifies any 1-A-adjacent thing, that is, by delimiting composition (which is what I’m tryna show)
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1-A is about non-interaction and superiority. The fact that Imaginary Space can be interacted with to me is direct evidence against it being Outerversal.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I asked for evidence and it wasn't provided. They just told me to read something that also didn't provide evidence for it.
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Honestly, even if weren’t told, it would still be implicit from the second part of the CRT. (The HooH one)

Qawsedf234 said:
Having Zero Dimensions isn't an AP feat. You have to have a volume of some capacity to get that rating. If they're not real then they're not tierable.
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Do you think Low 1-A Universal Concepts have composition/volume?

Also… Low 1-A doesn’t have volume lol. That’d require it to he mapped out in 3-dimensional space. This is effectively the same as saying “Beyond-Dimensional things need some dimensionality to be applicable”. (Btw mind you, this isn’t 1-A. So you can also perfectly be a 3D being with Low 1-A stats if needed.)

Qawsedf234 said:
1-A is about non-interaction and superiority. The fact that Imaginary Space can be interacted with to me is direct evidence against it being Outerversal.
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Can you elaborate how it’s interacted here?

Because, you’re also the one who said:
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…other users have pointed out that concepts or items coming from Imaginary don't interact with reality until they themselves become real.
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And did I ever claim 1-A…? Because the word “adjacent” was a very intentional usage on my end. Undifferentiation is completely valid for Low 1-A btw even if there might be some fact that disqualifies 1-A (as long as this “fact” isn’t in a way that also disqualifies Low 1-A)
 
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4 agreements including an admin actually
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If i'm not wrong. You need 2 admin agreements because Qaw himself are against upgrade, or agreement from an army of thread mod to outvote Qaw, because in case of contention between staff with voting right, admin have x2 voting power compare to thread mod.

Unless you can change Qaw mind
 
Vietthai96 said:
If i'm not wrong. You need 2 admin agreements because Qaw himself are against upgrade, or agreement from an army of thread mod to outvote Qaw, because in case of contention between staff with voting right, admin have x2 voting power compare to thread mod.

Unless you can change Qaw mind
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Where did you get the 2x multiplier against thread mods from 😭
 
CastoriceTheFifth said:
Is this listed anywhere because in most crts I've seen, Admin votes were just treated as a single staff/thread mod vote
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Mostly applies to threads with conflicting staff vote
If a disagreement arises between staff members during the evaluation of a content revision thread, it is important to seek the input and guidance of additional staff members in order to reach a fair and unbiased decision. This may involve seeking the opinion of higher-ranked staff members, or consulting with staff members who possess specific expertise or knowledge related to the revision in question.
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Although the evaluation of each staff member carries equal weight, the final decision regarding the approval of a content revision may be influenced by other factors such as the expertise and knowledge of the staff members involved, the complexity and controversy of the revision, and the popularity or prominence of the affected series verse. In terms of decision-making authority, bureaucrats are given the highest consideration, followed by administrators, and then thread moderators.
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With my experience in most CRT with conflicting staff vote, you need 2 thread mod votes to equal with 1 admin vote if there is contention between staff. Qaw is also a knowledgeable staff when it come to tiering system so his vote also get boosted

This is mostly for a thread with contention between staff, thread with little to no contention will just count vote normally, every vote are equal

Edit: there is also a reason why tier 2 and above need at least 1 admin agreement. Theoretically speaking, if you don't have admin agreement in tier 2 and above CRT, you would never be able to apply the thread even if all thread mod come in and agree with you
 
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Mostly applies to threads with conflicting staff vote


With my experience in most CRT with conflicting staff vote, you need 2 thread mod votes to equal with 1 admin vote if there is contention between staff. Qaw is also a knowledgeable staff when it come to tiering system so his vote also get boosted

This is mostly for a thread with contention between staff, thread with little to no contention will just count vote normally, every vote are equal

Edit: there is also a reason why tier 2 and above need at least 1 admin agreement. Theoretically speaking, if you don't have admin agreement in tier 2 and above CRT, you would never be able to apply the thread even if all thread mod come in and agree with you
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So basically what I'm hearing is this crt gonna conclude in 2026 and we cant get a new HSR crt till like July 😭
 
Qawsedf234 said:
1-A is about non-interaction and superiority. The fact that Imaginary Space can be interacted with to me is direct evidence against it being Outerversal.
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If the method of reaching that level was through a power source of a supposely 1-A origin, character are only shown to interact with the Imaginary Space and imaginary element through the Honkai and Paths, which are universal concepts that are directly originated from the Imaginary space, and it serves as the verse's UES. Would you consider this as legitimately 1-A?
 
I disagree for Qawsedf's and Vietta's reasons, I do agree with Vietta that this qualifies for BDE Type 1 at best.
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Viet is with possibly low 1-A now.
For BDE 1 that cannot be for my reasons here:
because its completely transcending real space thats bounded by dimensions, hence imaginary singularity and img space have all this dimensionless, no dimensional info and non existing in dimension slop.
Because you need to completely transcend real space just to be part of imaginary
Even otto did that, and Aeons and CoF do this thousands of times better when Aeons literally need to descend into form of physical avatars and cof needs their projections into real world (Herrschers), On top of this we already have kiana as the imaginary singularity transcending all dimensions statement and yet is only existing within the confines of imaginary space. this used to be BDE type 2 long ago before it was removed without actual justifications (low 1-A downgrade before was just absolute infinity)
This is why Irontomb destroying entire Universe (imaginary tree) did not touch imaginary space and aeons in the slightest because THEIR existence is so much superior to real space
dont see how would bde1 make sense here if existence of imaginary space aeons and CoF completely and absolutely surpass real space thats actually dimensional slop
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So in general, Imaginary space cannot be bde1 due to its nature as a realm transcendent towards real space, which actually holds dimensions of the verse. even welts singularity rebuild which we have as an attack that can affect all dimensions, would not be able to interact with imaginary space in the slightest.
CoF that already transcends all dimensions as the imaginary singularity is still bound by imaginary space.
Irontomb destroying "imaginary tree" only destroyed its Real Space while leaving Imaginary Space untouched, otherwise Cyrene and Trailblazer would not appear inside path space and nous would not be able to cast a gaze because tha would imply IMG space also got destroyed
Imaginary space is the origin of the universe and everything originates from it.
And like, all the statements of being "dimensionless" "carry no dimensional information" and "not existing in any dimension you can get in touch with" is more proving its superiority than just lacking dimensional attributtes while not being superior to them.
When imaginary space is far superior to Real Space, which requires complete transcendence over it, you would obviously be beyond the dimensions itself as well, and it cannot be +1D if it just transcends real space, as that would imply it is still dimensions, which all the scans here would prove otherwise.
Also, somewhere across the scans the "tree" is also mentioned, but that is because in hi3 imaginary tree is both real and Imaginary space, with Imaginary space being that Low 1-A realm that exits beyond dimensions and tree being physical universe aka part of real space
This+everything super nova already adressed makes it clear to be low 1-A
 
Vietthai96 said:
INS being possibly Low 1-A is very lenient, but yeah, just put my vote as possibly

Now what gonna scale?, Imaginary Tree?, SoQ?

For the record, i also only at best, agree with Possibly Low 1-A HooH. But if HooH is Possibly Low 1-A other Aeons shouldn't scales to it
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What the hell? Dawg why are you being "very lenient"? You yourself said you saw no proof that Imaginary space was big enough for Low 1-A. You're just conceding to not only Low 1-A HooH but imaginary space too for literally no reason????
 
PedjaTarzan said:
So in general, Imaginary space cannot be bde1 due to its nature as a realm transcendent towards real space, which actually holds dimensions of the verse. even welts singularity rebuild which we have as an attack that can affect all dimensions, would not be able to interact with imaginary space in the slightest.
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For Low 1-A, Imaginary Space would need superiority to ALL possible dimensional spaces. Imaginary Space can project itself into realspace, but realspace has never shown anything higher than 11D. If we scale Imaginary Space's ability to manifest itself in and affect realspace, that would only be 11D as it would only scale to the dimensions that it has actually shown the capability to manifest itself in and affect.
PedjaTarzan said:
And like, all the statements of being "dimensionless" "carry no dimensional information" and "not existing in any dimension you can get in touch with" is more proving its superiority than just lacking dimensional attributtes while not being superior to them.
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That's an idiotic interpretation.
PedjaTarzan said:
When imaginary space is far superior to Real Space, which requires complete transcendence over it, you would obviously be beyond the dimensions itself as well, and it cannot be +1D if it just transcends real space, as that would imply it is still dimensions
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You're misunderstanding how BDE1 works. Imaginary Space in and of itself would still be treated as dimensionless, it's just that it's ability to manifest in and affect Real Space would be limited in its dimensional tiering.
 
Telomera said:
For Low 1-A, Imaginary Space would need superiority to ALL possible dimensional spaces. Imaginary Space can project itself into realspace, but realspace has never shown anything higher than 11D. If we scale Imaginary Space's ability to manifest itself in and affect realspace, that would only be 11D as it would only scale to the dimensions that it has actually shown the capability to manifest itself in and affect.
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When and how was it shown that Imaginary space manifest into real space what the hell?
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That's an idiotic interpretation.
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lmao
Telomera said:
You're misunderstanding how BDE1 works. Imaginary Space in and of itself would still be treated as dimensionless, it's just that it's ability to manifest in and affect Real Space would be limited in its dimensional tiering.
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I dont know what you are talking about, i am literally talking about how imaginary space is fundamentally superior to the real space, an actual dimensioned place unlike imaginary space which is not
I dont know where did you pull the “imaginary space interacts with real space” stuff
 
PedjaTarzan said:
When and how was it shown that Imaginary space manifest into real space what the hell?
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Here and here.
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I dont know what you are talking about, i am literally talking about how imaginary space is fundamentally superior to the real space, an actual dimensioned place unlike imaginary space which is not
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Yeah, you're "talking about" it but you haven't actually proven it. The fact that the imaginary singularity isn't "dimensioned" doesn't actually make it superior.
 
Telomera said:
Here and here.
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thats imaginary singularity not imaginary space bro…
and this is wrong interpetation as cocoon aka the imaginary singularity just projecting its own herrschers into real space similarly how aeons project themselves as avatars and manifestations due to their fundamental superiority over real space
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Here and here.

Yeah, you're "talking about" it but you haven't actually proven it. The fact that the imaginary singularity isn't "dimensioned" doesn't actually make it superior.
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there are more statements and i already explajned that those mentions arent just bde1, you literally cant be bde1 if your whole existence fundamentally transcends dimensions
all of the scans are in the post including the QUOTED PART OF QUOTED POST
 
Telomera said:
What the hell? Dawg why are you being "very lenient"? You yourself said you saw no proof that Imaginary space was big enough for Low 1-A. You're just conceding to not only Low 1-A HooH but imaginary space too for literally no reason????
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Bro can’t comprehend that he might be wrong lmao. Ts genuinely killed me 😭✌️
 
Also like genuinely noone here actually seems to get my arguments 😭 I don’t think even the mods who agreed do lmao

Like noone here is actually capable of addressing why undifferentiation into non-dimensionality isn’t Low 1-A lol. And it hasn’t even been addressed lol; just strawman after strawman
 
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