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Imaginary Tree BDE2 and L1-A

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I thought I should probably add and correct some stuff, so here it is.



The most important part about this panel is that Welt says "At the singularity where space was born, even dimensional weapons are useless."

The dimensional weapon that Welt is referring to here is the Alien Key (the tentacles things on the tentacles guy). Its exact capabilities are unknown, but we do know that it is dimensional in nature, specifically spacial dimensions, as the chinese version says 空间维度武器 (spacial dimensional weapon).

The key, the bastion (the place they're fighting), and Dr. Murata are all confirmed to be higher dimensional (the exact number of dimensions is unspecified). This is important because it means that not only can it create higher dimensional constructs, it can also increase the dimensionality of its wielder (Dr. Murata used to be a normal human researcher).

After the panel shown, Welt does, something, and it cuts to the next chapter where Welt confirms Dr. Murata is dead and the alien key is destroyed.

Based on the previous quote, it can be inferred that Welt somehow sent him to the imaginary tree, which rendered the Alien key's powers useless due to its lack of dimensionality, and we know it is dimensionless and not 0D due to the fact that it encompasses and transcends all of existence.

On a side note, the only other imaginary singularity, the Cocoon, is straight up stated to be dimensionless.



While this doesn't directly affect the IT since it is explicitly stated the Cocoon exists outside the tree, I still believe that it is worth noting.

It should also be noted that the tree gave birth to all dimensions, and thus has superiority over them.

This all proves that the Imaginary Tree transcends spacial dimensionality. Now moving on to temporal dimensionality, and it gets weird here, because time is really trippy (for me, at least).

First, we can get the most direct statement out of the way, being the Sea of Quanta which is stated to have no time nor boundaries.



Then, there's the imaginary space which is said to be "all space outside of the 4D spacetime in our world". There are also various mentiosn on how the attributes of the imaginary space is beyond our comprehension



Time in the Imaginary tree is simply the result of the expansion of the tree. To individuals within the tree, time is linear its flow cannot be interfered with. However, the tree can create, destroy, and merge timelines at will.



This shows that not only is the tree unrestricted by time, it is directly superior to it as it is the "origin" of time and can manipulate it at will.

The Tree is stated to be equal or greater than the Sea, which is further evidence for it to be timeless. And the Imaginary Space, which encompasses both, also exists beyond our understanding of time, gives the claim consistency.

Conclusion: The imaginary tree is both beyond spacial dimensionality and is unrestricted by time, and also is the origin of both dimensionality and time, therefore it should get BDE2 (same with Imaginary space due to encompassing the tree)
 
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Ngl, this seems undercooked and rushed, there's a lot more to support the Img Tree getting that rating back, but that's not one of them.
 
Just. NO. There were recent Low 1-A, 1-A etc attempts. Just stop with the topic for now. People are already working on a better proposal.
 
Gravity Requires Space-Time — Not Its Absence; gravity is not a “force” in the classical sense; it's the result of space-time curvature. But crucially, it only functions within a space-time framework. Saying gravity works “on all dimensions” does not mean it applies beyond space and time. If something "lacks spatial dimensions" as claimed about the Imaginary Tree, then gravity is not even applicable, since there's no manifold to curve in the first place.

Lack of Spatial Dimensions ≠ BDE-2: Claiming the Imaginary Tree is BDE-2 because it “lacks spatial dimensions” is flawed. BDE-2 implies an existence that transcends all dimensions, concepts, and structures of reality entirely. A being or structure simply being outside our local space-time or immune to dimensional weapons doesn't prove this. That could result from in-universe mechanics, narrative abstraction, or hax resistance not ontological transcendence.

Dimensional Weapons Being Ineffective ≠ Ontological Superiority: Weapons like the Star of Eden failing near the Imaginary Tree only show incompatibility or resistance not that the target exists beyond dimensional reality altogether. Many fictional entities resist specific forces or concepts without being higher-dimensional or BDE.

There are deficiencies, you can work on them😄👍
 
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Gravity Requires Space-Time — Not Its Absence; gravity is not a “force” in the classical sense; it's the result of space-time curvature. But crucially, it only functions within a space-time framework. Saying gravity works “on all dimensions” does not mean it applies beyond space and time. If something "lacks spatial dimensions" as claimed about the Imaginary Tree, then gravity is not even applicable, since there's no manifold to curve in the first place.
That's what I said. Weapons that function using gravity do not work on the imaginary tree, therefore it must lack spacial dimensions.
Lack of Spatial Dimensions ≠ BDE-2: Claiming the Imaginary Tree is BDE-2 because it “lacks spatial dimensions” is flawed. BDE-2 implies an existence that transcends all dimensions, concepts, and structures of reality entirely. A being or structure simply being outside our local space-time or immune to dimensional weapons doesn't prove this. That could result from in-universe mechanics, narrative abstraction, or hax resistance—not ontological transcendence.
It lacks dimensionality even though it encompasses structures with dimensionality (11D structures, in fact).

Dimensional Weapons Being Ineffective ≠ Ontological Superiority: Weapons like the Star of Eden failing near the Imaginary Tree only show incompatibility or resistance—not that the target exists beyond dimensional reality altogether. Many fictional entities resist specific forces or concepts without being higher-dimensional or BDE.
This is for L1-A, not 1-A. Ontologies don't matter yet

Thanks for the input though.
 
I think I expressed myself wrong while explaining, I'll read it again, I even read the title wrong, sorry
 
even dimensional weapons (the star of eden, which manipulates gravity) would be useless.
dimensional weapon welt is referring here isn't star of Eden but rather alien key of ryuusuke.
From this, it can be concluded that the imaginary tree itself lacks spacial dimensions.
It's kinda tricky cuz dimensional laws doesn't apply to singularity and imaginary singularity is also stated to be dimensionless. That's why I proposed 1-A with ontology in previous thread. But I don't really know how they will treat imaginary singularity.

Overall, I agree with this but this need more scans to get either of the scaling.
 
dimensional weapon welt is referring here isn't star of Eden but rather alien key of ryuusuke.

It's kinda tricky cuz dimensional laws doesn't apply to singularity and imaginary singularity is also stated to be dimensionless. That's why I proposed 1-A with ontology in previous thread. But I don't really know how they will treat imaginary singularity.

Overall, I agree with this but this need more scans to get either of the scaling.
The confusion between Star of Eden and Alien Key is understandable, but ultimately irrelevant to the core claim. Whether it's Eden or the Key, Welt's statement emphasizes that dimensional weapons are ineffective at the origin of space the Imaginary Tree due to its lack of dimensionality.

You’re correct that singularities especially imaginary ones are said to transcend dimensional laws. That alone supports a form of dimensional transcendence, but what cements the 1-A scaling is the ontological framework: the Tree is where space itself originates, and by extension, dimensional structure. That places it outside or prior to any dimensional context.

So yes, more scans help, but the ontology of the Tree and its transcendence over spatial dimensionality already implies a baseline for outerversal treatment. It's not just about lacking dimensions it's about being the source of dimensional constructs altogether.
 
It should have been locked down months ago, since unrelated supporters have been spamming it despite there being a gorup organizing new stuff to come
 
Wait really? Weaver did you know this?
Nah....The rule is to avoid posting the same agenda with same arguments if a thread got rejected before for like 2 months I think. Upgrading cosmology and creating new profiles are unrelated so idk....

Btw this is a good argument to get L1-A or 1-A but I think we should get supporters consensus before making these threads. Better to make a discussion thread solely for this topic.
 
Tbh this is pretty good, gravity will exist if there is space time and lack of gravity can be used to solidify lack of space-time in the sense of lack of spatio temporal dimensions.

And it not just "lacks" there is superiority in "size" since it birthed "dimensional space"


I agree with BDE type 2
 
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