I will be busy versy soon i just want to say, contention here is staff vote contention, so even if you or some other members are against the revision, as long as it have enough votes from staff who have voting right, the thread will still get accepted
Why do you keep doing this thing where you isolate 1 or 2 of my premises and then attribute them to the whole argument? You realize the superiority is a synthesis of the nature of the Singularity, Imaginary Space itself and atp HooH as well? None of them prove Low 1-A by themselves. (This is obvious.)
That is far more reasonable than your proposition. Our wiki standards acknowledge that something with no dimensional limitations in and of itself can still have limitations on its ability to interact with dimensional beings. That's why Vietthai suggested earlier that Imaginary Space is just BDE1. This means that you have to prove that not only does Imaginary Space in and of itself lack dimensional limitations (since it doesn't have dimensional information at all) but also that Imaginary Space's ability to actualize itself in realspace lacks dimensional limitations as well. You have failed to do so.
Is there something I'm missing about how all of those together somehow prove something that the individual premises don't? Because I have both refuted your "effort" argument and explained how your argument that "all possible quantitative increases can never encapsulate the Imaginary Singularity therefore Low 1-A" is a category error (Imaginary Space in and of itself is NOT "too big" to be a dimensional space, it is simply incomparable to real space).
Not what that says
adimensionality ≠ no dimensional limitations (that’s something I’m very clear about)You’re basically just said “you’re just wrong”
Honkai isn't on the controversial/popular verse list and was personally removed from the list so the vote requirement should probably be the standard.
They should put me in controversial users listAlso the verse shouldn't really be considered a controversial verse either because the average Honkai/Most CRTs aren't even that long and straightforward this past year. Only @Super_Nova somehow creates 10 pages ones
Hmm, should put it back i guess
Are you sure about that?
Can u tag sum mods or sum. This thread needs 4 votes regardless since it’s Low 1-A
Don’t really see the need for it to be on the list. It’s not like Genshin and it averaging 10+ pages every crt. (Which is one of the reasons why Honkai was removed from the list). Unironically most of the time with the crts getting several pages are just several pages of bumping.
Which Honkai crts were controversial enough to get cooked levels amounts of pages or back and fourth spanning several people barring tier 1 cosmological changes (which is mainly HI3 lol)
Hmmm.
That's obviously not true. A dimensional limitation is obviously a limitation of the dimensionality/dimensional qualities of something. Thus, if a thing has dimensional limitations, then it would require said thing to have a dimensionality/dimensional qualities for said dimensional limitation to apply to in the first place. Thus, if something does not have dimensionality/dimensional qualities in and of itself, then it would also not have dimensional limitations (think modus tollens). That is why something like the color green does not have dimensional limitations; it has no dimensional qualities whatsoever. The caveat to this is that said "something"'s ability to interact with dimensional beings/its "raw power" can still have dimensional qualities as well as dimensional limitations, even if the "something" in and of itself lacks dimensional qualities and dimensional limitations by extension.Not what that says
Have you considered that your other arguments simply don't even imply quantitative superiority? It's in the word: "quantitative" superiority. What, if anything does Imaginary Space have a greater "quantity" of compared to the collection of all possible spaces? It's obviously not bigger since 1. no sources support this idea 2. it doesn't have any form of size to begin with.
Then you’re just speaking semantics, because it is clear that “no dimensional limitations” here corresponds to the span which it can encompass (which you pretty much mentioned in your second point). Because I’m very sure nobody here would claim a 0-dimensional point has no dimensional limitations. And also the green thing is a category error (not the same as transcendence) because you’re not capable of applying dimensionality to it to begin with in the same manner of how you can’t apply intelligence or stupidity to something that lacks conscience, but you wouldn’t say “a rock has no intellectual limitations”.
The same “you’re just wrong” I mentioned. Btw, just to ask, do you believe Low 1-A universals are incoherent?
No it does not. Neither Imaginary Space nor the Imaginary Singularity "encompass" a span that is unlimited by dimensionality. You have given no proof of that, and I have not conceded to it. I am simply saying that Imaginary Space in and of itself lacks dimensional limitations in the same sense that the color green lacks dimensional limitations. The same does not apply to its ability to project itself into realspace though.
Did you read the page? It specifically talks about how 0D points do NOT count as aspatial since they still occupy a definite point in space. 0D points DO have dimensionality and they DO have dimensional limitations (they have a volume limited to zero). Please actually read the standards before making and arguing these types of upgrades. Because what you're describing is literally just BDE1 and you can't find a single way to explain how it could possibly be any different.
No it isn't. I asked you to tell me the quantity in which Imaginary Space is greater than the collection of all dimensional spaces so I could advance my argument. Or in other words, "How is this not just BDE1?" Your failure to answer this question proves my point: there is no quantity relevant to AP in which Imaginary Space is greater than the collection of all dimensional spaces. Thus, it is not quantitatively superior and not Low 1-A.
Not necessarily. But Imaginary Space isn't a Low 1-A universal so I don't see how this is relevant.
The same “you’re just wrong”
Adimensionality ≠ aspatiality.
Alr, so, you admit that a Low 1-A thing doesn’t require composition, ye?
Doesn’t need to be.
yeaah, you can call staff tho i already asked bunch of them on the walls already
ts doesnt do anything. Only mods can ping mods
The staff discussion about controversial verses wasn't finished. Honkai isn't a popular series on the site either way. I think the threshold is 3 since I saw former threads like Low 1-A upgrade last year getting passed with around 3?
As if you have authority worth of anything.
You need at least 3 votes with 1 admin vote for this. It's not about popularity at all here. Just the tiers requiring that many.
Vietthai said 4 so I pointed it out
Also lets not act like Honkai isn’t popular as shit…
I wouldn't have to ask for the CM1 downgrade to be switched onto the HI3 category if honkai is a popular verse because being a popular verse would mean you can make up to more than 3 CRTs but we CAN'T MAKE THE 4TH ONE LEGIT BRO, deadass I would've make the trio astral express cast immediately if 4 crts are allowed
Yeah Honkai shouldn't be considered a popular series on the site. (Also, all the verses on the list all have 3 votes enforced on them now)
This refers to wiki activity and number of supporters. If it was referring to general popularity, then way more verses would be cooked with 3 votes rn.
Hold on, it's not like that, I won't take all the credit, it is not fair, @Aernasilver was also very helpful, since the vast majority of the profiles exist only through the combined efforts of him and me.
Don’t forget me whose only job is to absolutely **** up all the ratings with multiple verse-wide revisions back-to-back
More like youre hogging up all the CRT slots buddy. Can you help free up a space pleaseDon’t forget me whose only job is to absolutely **** up all the ratings with multiple verse-wide revisions back-to-back
Sorry but can’t do. I’m immediately going to take up the spot with the Immeasurable Speed revisions and then the other 2 slots will constantly be used exclusively for Zephyro wankMore like youre hogging up all the CRT slots buddy. Can you help free up a space please
downgrading cm1 and speed to upgrade zephyro and verse? Are you an arbitrator?Sorry but can’t do. I’m immediately going to take up the spot with the Immeasurable Speed revisions and then the other 2 slots will constantly be used exclusively for Zephyro wank
yo i will slime you out if you do that before the trio astral express revisionSorry but can’t do. I’m immediately going to take up the spot with the Immeasurable Speed revisions and then the other 2 slots will constantly be used exclusively for Zephyro wank
I can do the TLDR if you want
There's not really much of a TLDR here tbh, since all of the main arguments proposed are in the thread, other than those who agreed like Vietthai or Qawsedf that are neutral I suppose. I think both of them clarified their stance already since I don't see them being listed against the thread itself but yeah most of the counterarguments as in the opposition is only when Telomera came to the thread since the first 3 pages are just about the scaling in which its decided all of the Aeons just scale to it completely other than CoF but yeah they're the ones who scale
Yeah, most of this is just due to the nature of Imaginary Space, from what i gathered, the nature of imaginary space is, thing need to be projected into real space to interact, and that imaginary space is non-physical in nature thus it can't ordered in size, aligned with Imaginary Singularity nature of lacking dimensional information. And that it can't interfere with real thing and need to be projected just killing the entire argument about Imaginary is quantitatively superior to real space, because if it was, real space be a mere extension and reduction of imaginary space and it can freely affect real thing.
It includes space-time as a duality obviously, it includes all dual concepts so why not? If we have IX that's the opposite of reality to lack space-time altogether and not to mention the same scan that said IX is the opposite of reality includes matter, this matter is also stated to be a concept perceived by Erudition to shape up reality itself with space-time being stated in the scan directly. When it said all the positive and negatives, existence and nonexistence, it should include space-time by default.
based on this explanation i agree with L1A
but I'm a little skeptical about scaling to aeons, because I see these aeons showing absolutely no superiority to higher dimensions, would predating the concepts of duality by default be considered beyond dimensionality, yeah I don't think so. so I'm neutral on this one
