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Umineko Tier CRT

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First, as explained by Ronove, a Cat-Box works with existential layers
This existential layers are Fragments, from example, Battler as a Game-Master exists in a higher existential plane, than is just a more existentially elevated Fragment.
The difference between a lower and a higher layer is the same than fiction and reality, as seen multiple times in the VN, than shows than exists an inacessibility between such layers, and than a lower layer is just a chess game or a fictiona tale to a higher layer.
Exists infinite Fragments in the Cat-Box, so the Cat-Box have infinite existential layers of R>F Transcendences:
The Golden Land is the most impenetrable layer of the Cat-Box, consequently being the most elevated Layer of the infinite hierarchy, so the Golden Land is 1-A+ (Outerverse level+)
Now, lets go to the other Cat-Boxs.
Bernkastel Cat-Box transcends all the Beatrice infinite hierarchy, because of this, Lion transcends and sees all Beatrice Games/Fragments as a chess game.
So Bern Cat-Box is High Outerverse level.
Finally, the Sea of Fragments is composed of a hierarchy of infinite Cat-Boxs.
Than means infinite Meta-Qualitatives, as showed by Bernkastel's Cat-Box, a higher existential Cat-Box transcends and sees all the lower cat-box as just fiction/a game of chess.
This is also proven by the hierarchy of worlds than Ryukishi07 mentioned in a interview, all the Umineko cosmology is based in all the structures being stacked in a hierarchy, and the Cat-Boxs/Territories are not different.
This means than the Beatrice Cat-Box is 1-A+, Bernkastel Cat-Box is High 1-A, the next Cat-Box is High 1-A of a Meta-Meta-Qualitative, the next cat-box is high 1-a from a Meta-Meta-Meta-Qualitative.
So goes, infinitely, totaling infinite Meta-Qualitatives.
The City of books is a Territory, most precisely, the most elevated Territory, so is the "top" of the infinite hierarchy, being equal to infinite Meta-Qualitatives.
So much so that it's said that Ange in CoB transcends and sees structures like Beatrice's Cat-Box as a chess game, the City of Books also stores infinite Territories as Books.
Finally, Featherine Augustus Aurora transcends the entire Witch Domain to the same degree than the Witch Domain transcends the Human Beings.
This means than Featherine transcends infinite Meta-Qualitatives to the same degree than infinite Meta-Qualitatives transcends the Tier 10-B.
Conclusion:
If this CRT is accepted, the Golden Land will be placed as Outerverse level+, the Bernkastel Cat-Box will be placed as High Outerverse level, and the City of Books will be placed as High Outerverse level of Infinite Meta-Qualitatives.
This also means than any characters than scales with such structures (by being manifested in them) must also have this Tiers.
Featherine will be "High 1-A of irrelevant Meta-Qualitatives", by transcending infinite Meta-Qualitatives to the same degree than infinite Meta-Qualitatives transcends the Tier 10-B.
 
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i finished the editing of the CRT and placed his Conclusion.
Could some administrator or someone similar please "open" my CRT so it can be discussed and evaluated?
 
No.

To start with, some scans, instead of having an English translation, have a Portuguese translation for some reason. None of the scans have the source they come from, so that’s already kind of a problem. And the wiki doesn’t use terminology like “irrelevant meta qualities”, whatever that means.

Recently Rewrite was accepted as canon to the 7th Expansion, so everything has to be redone from scratch progressively so we don’t cause absolute chaos. This thread is way too rushed even though I’m not necessarily against some of the proposals.

So this just isn’t the right time. I think I already told you this in the past. Be patient if you want everything to turn out well, otherwise we’re just going to end up causing a mess.
 
You can join the general discussion about the verse revamp here:


This thread should be closed.
 
No.

To start with, some scans, instead of having an English translation, have a Portuguese translation for some reason. None of the scans have the source they come from, so that’s already kind of a problem. And the wiki doesn’t use terminology like “irrelevant meta qualities”, whatever that means.

Recently Rewrite was accepted as canon to the 7th Expansion, so everything has to be redone from scratch progressively so we don’t cause absolute chaos. This thread is way too rushed even though I’m not necessarily against some of the proposals.

So this just isn’t the right time. I think I already told you this in the past. Be patient if you want everything to turn out well, otherwise we’re just going to end up causing a mess.
Yes, I apologize for this, I forgot that certain scans are in Brazilian Portuguese and not in English. Also, why should I cite the sources for all of this? The scans are literally from the Visual Novel and the Manga; at most, I didn't cite the source of a specific interview.
 
Yes, I apologize for this, I forgot that certain scans are in Brazilian Portuguese and not in English. Also, why should I cite the sources for all of this? The scans are literally from the Visual Novel and the Manga; at most, I didn't cite the source of a specific interview.

Because this is a wiki.
 
There's no point in disagreeing since "the verse is under revision," anyway, the idea is that Featherine is of such a high Meta-Quality that it surpasses any mathematical quantity of Meta-Qualitatives, so that even something like "infinite Meta-Qualities" and the like is insufficient to define such an existential hierarchy.

Oh there is definitely a point.

I’ll explain a bit how things work here.

If a thread with an argument gets rejected, you have to wait months before you can make another one. That’s why revisions need to be planned as a team and everything has to be well explained.

The OP is way too superficial and the scaling is wrong because, I repeat, Rewrite was integrated into the cosmology.

The smartest thing is to close this rushed thread and make another one later when everything is in order.

I’m not going to insist anymore. If you plan to go ahead with the thread, then good luck, but just know that if you fail the upgrade you’re going to cause problems for all the supporters who are working on the verse right now, all because of simple impatience.
 
Oh there is definitely a point.

I’ll explain a bit how things work here.

If a thread with an argument gets rejected, you have to wait months before you can make another one. That’s why revisions need to be planned as a team and everything has to be well explained.

The OP is way too superficial and the scaling is wrong because, I repeat, Rewrite was integrated into the cosmology.

The smartest thing is to close this rushed thread and make another one later when everything is in order.

I’m not going to insist anymore. If you plan to go ahead with the thread, then good luck, but just know that if you fail the upgrade you’re going to cause problems for all the supporters who are working on the verse right now, all because of simple impatience.
I posted this CRT for two reasons:
1: I didn't know that other people were doing a "collective scaling" of 07th Expansion.
2: The CRT only covers Umineko characters; it's something aimed at scaling specific Umineko characters, not the entire cosmology.
Anyway, I'm sorry if this interrupted the discussions you were having or anything like that, I wouldn't have posted this if I had known what you were talking about.
I'd like to help with this 07th Expansion scaling that's being done, at least within the Witch Domain scaling.
 
I posted this CRT for two reasons:
1: I didn't know that other people were doing a "collective scaling" of 07th Expansion.
2: The CRT only covers Umineko characters; it's something aimed at scaling specific Umineko characters, not the entire cosmology.
Anyway, I'm sorry if this interrupted the discussions you were having or anything like that, I wouldn't have posted this if I had known what you were talking about.
I'd like to help with this 07th Expansion scaling that's being done, at least within the Witch Domain scaling.

1. Yeah, that’s why I’m telling you this now. I know. You’re not omniscient.

2. The Umineko characters are affected by it, since the entire cosmology of Rewrite is inferior to the meta world.

But yeah, no problem. You can join us. Just ask for this thread to be closed.
 
1. Yeah, that’s why I’m telling you this now. I know. You’re not omniscient.

2. The Umineko characters are affected by it, since the entire cosmology of Rewrite is inferior to the meta world.

But yeah, no problem. You can join us. Just ask for this thread to be closed.
Okay, but i'm still a "beginner" on this forum and I don't fully understand how it works, so I don't know how to request that this thread be closed. Do I just need to request this in a message on the thread, or is there a specific button for that?
 
Okay, but i'm still a "beginner" on this forum and I don't fully understand how it works, so I don't know how to request that this thread be closed. Do I just need to request this in a message on the thread, or is there a specific button for that?

I can do it for you dw.
 
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