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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

noninho said:
one quote is basing ur argument?
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No, multiple statements, from sources including the Adventure Special, Dragon Ball Landmark, the Extreme Battle Collection: Round 01, the DRAGON BALL DVD BOX: Dragon Book, the Super Exciting Guide: Story Volume, and the DRAGON BALL OFFICIAL SITE (to be translated), which similarly suggest Jackie Chun's only option was destroying the moon, rather than attacking Goku head-on; heavily implying Jackie could not even defeat Great Ape Goku with his MAX Power Kamehameha.

In fact, Goku even completely negated his fully-powered Bankoku Bikkuri Shō, which is stated multiple times by official sources to be his "deadliest" and "most powerful" secret technique. However, considering Jackie hadn't yet used his MAX Power upon unleashing the latter, I'm a little hesitant on completely arguing it's more powerful than the former.

And, even if Tournament Saga Great Ape Goku isn't accepted as scaling to the Moon-Destroying Kamehameha, Tao Pai Pai's Dodon Ray 100% should, given it's both stated to be more powerful than the Kamehameha in general and directly compared to Roshi's Kamehameha, and Post-Korin Training Goku, who is only "nearly 20 times" more powerful than he was during the Pilaf Saga, directly upscales from the Dodon Ray.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
No, multiple statements, from sources including the Adventure Special, Dragon Ball Landmark, the Extreme Battle Collection: Round 01, the DRAGON BALL DVD BOX: Dragon Book, the Super Exciting Guide: Story Volume, and the DRAGON BALL OFFICIAL SITE (to be translated), which similarly suggest Jackie Chun's only option was destroying the moon, rather than attacking Goku head-on; heavily implying Jackie could not even defeat Great Ape Goku with his MAX Power Kamehameha.

In fact, Goku even completely negated his fully-powered Bankoku Bikkuri Shō, which is stated multiple times by official sources to be his "deadliest" and "most powerful" secret technique. However, considering Jackie hadn't yet used his MAX Power upon unleashing the latter, I'm a little hesitant on completely arguing it's more powerful than the former.

And, even if Tournament Saga Great Ape Goku isn't accepted as scaling to the Moon-Destroying Kamehameha, Tao Pai Pai's Dodon Ray 100% should, given it's both stated to be more powerful than the Kamehameha in general and directly compared to Roshi's Kamehameha, and Post-Korin Training Goku, who is only "nearly 20 times" more powerful than he was during the Pilaf Saga, directly upscales from the Dodon Ray.
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I do have to wonder, but you got any good rebuttals to the dozen or so (Dozens if we include regular humans) anti-feats lads at this level have?
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
I do have to wonder, but you got any good rebuttals to the dozen or so (Dozens if we include regular humans) anti-feats lads at this level have?
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Part of the overall project includes gathering up feats of Earthlings and Earthling-level beings throughout the Dragon World—from "normal" humans; to martial artists, which Daizenshuu 4 implies are, like, a sub-race of Earthlings naturally gifted(???) with combat ability; to World Tournament-level fighters, who are typically regarded as being a cut above the former; the superhuman, which is a concept first established during the 22nd World Tournament but only ever loosely expanded upon afterward; and then any of the peak humans, which exist between the former two—in order to prove they can: (1) perform superhuman feats of strength, regardless of whether they are deemed "normal" or "average", which firmly establishes a baseline for what is considered "normal" in the DB World; and, (2) also, exchange blows with the Z-Fighters and even challenge them at different points in time, further defining the gap between the former and the normal "human level" of the world.
 
Why hasn't the speed of Tao Pai Pai jumping onto his hypersonic pillar after it got thrown a good distance away been calced? Wouldn't catching up to it like that make him faster than it?
 
It doesn't necessarily make him faster than it. All it would mean is that his leap would accelerate faster than the thrown pillar.
 
Damage3245 said:
It doesn't necessarily make him faster than it. All it would mean is that his leap would accelerate faster than the thrown pillar.
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Isn't his combat speed scaled to the pillar from being able to land on it while it's thrown?
If it hadn't accelerated to full speed that would invalidate him scaling to it and would only be attack/travel speed
 
KaramcaS said:
It has been proven and accepted that the "Dragon Ball Z Kai" Anime is Canon to the "Dragon Ball Super" Anime

The events that occurred in the "Dragon Ball Z Kai" Anime also occurred in the "Dragon Ball Super" Anime. The two series take place in the same continuity.

If King Vegeta did a feat in "DBZKAI", it means it happened in the past in the "DBS" Anime.
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I recently have been using this logic trunks never went super sayian in the manga for gohan death but in the anime he did so Kai canon to super feats like king vegeta and vegeta blows up a planet kid buu galaxy feat and Buuhan about to destroy the universe all should be free game
 
Okay, exactly how strong is Dragon Ball Minus Bardock at his peak? The way his profile makes it sound like he'd put belt to ass on Saiyan Saga Vegeta but I've heard a lot of crazy statements flying around the internet that the Gas that Bardock beat up was as strong as the Ginyu Force so like what gives?
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Okay, exactly how strong is Dragon Ball Minus Bardock at his peak? The way his profile makes it sound like he'd put belt to ass on Saiyan Saga Vegeta but I've heard a lot of crazy statements flying around the internet that the Gas that Bardock beat up was as strong as the Ginyu Force so like what gives?
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I have no idea how Bardock is on captain ginyu level or any statement that’s upscales minus Bardock
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Yeah, I clicked on it and Imgur says it doesn't exist.
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Okay, so clearly the link isn’t working, but the picture is from a Q&A with Toriyama. In it, he says Bardock would be a top-class low-class warrior, maybe even a mid-class warrior. This is from the Dragon Ball: Episode of Bardock interview in Saikyō Jump, March 2014 (February 2014 issue).





Toriyama also noted that there were only 10 mid-class warriors and 2 elite warriors.
 
Animefacts300 said:
Okay, so clearly the link isn’t working, but the picture is from a Q&A with Toriyama. In it, he says Bardock would be a top-class low-class warrior, maybe even a mid-class warrior. This is from the Dragon Ball: Episode of Bardock interview in Saikyō Jump, March 2014 (February 2014 issue).





Toriyama also noted that there were only 10 mid-class warriors and 2 elite warriors.
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Okay, I've heard that before a lot, but that doesn't help me since that's what's used for Bardock's Pre-Limit Break Key. I'm talking about the Bardock that beat the crap out of Gas.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Okay, I've heard that before a lot, but that doesn't help me since that's what's used for Bardock's Pre-Limit Break Key. I'm talking about the Bardock that beat the crap out of Gas.
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Ya that’s statement was done in 2014 he definitely talking about minus as for gas there are no statements to upscale him that I know of
 
Animefacts300 said:
Ya that’s statement was done in 2014 he definitely talking about minus as for gas there are no statements to upscale him that I know of
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I've heard people claim there's an interview that compares him to Abo and Kado but like first of all, that's insane if true for several reasons, and secondly, I can't find any sign of this thing anywhere. Maybe I'm just stupid but that's what I've heard.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
I've heard people claim there's an interview that compares him to Abo and Kado but like first of all, that's insane if true for several reasons, and secondly, I can't find any sign of this thing anywhere. Maybe I'm just stupid but that's what I've heard.
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Your not stupid you did the right thing by asking questions to see if there factual evidences to support this
 
The reason I'm asking all these questions is because I want to make Bardock matches but Dragon Ball's ratings have been super annoying to figure out ever since everyone and their mother became 5-A.
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
The reason I'm asking all these questions is because I want to make Bardock matches but Dragon Ball's ratings have been super annoying to figure out ever since everyone and their mother became 5-A.
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Just use z bardock he had power level of 10000 and great ap puts him at 10000000 lol
 
XSOULOFCINDERX said:
The reason I'm asking all these questions is because I want to make Bardock matches but Dragon Ball's ratings have been super annoying to figure out ever since everyone and their mother became 5-A.
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You can't find matches in 5-A or you don't know what exact value of 5-A they are?
 
Speaking of versus matches with dragon ball

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GRAAAAAACEEEEEEEEEEEEEE [7-0-0] "What is 'Daima'? I want the real Red Monkey Alien fighting again!!!" - Goku (GT) vs Goku (Super Anime)

How does searching about Super vs GT feels at this point: Ok. Let's go again at it: Red-Furred Space Monkey - 7 (@MannyQ361, @noninho, @XxZetsuxX, @TegamiBachi25, @Anonymous_Learner, @Drite77, @LegendariumOfLies) Yellow-Haired Space Monkey - Hope i don't see another in a couple months...
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this one needs one vote to get to grace

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INCON GRACE [3-0-4] - Xeno Broly vs Toei Vegito

Fight is at a minecraft superflat bedrock-only seed (they're players, so indestructible ground) Speed is equal, to make things easier Xeno Broly is at his first key Broly starts at SSJ3 They start 4m apart Xeno Broly: @Mickey1940, @Nonynho, @Jackythejack Toei Vegito: Incon: @Drite77...
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this one is leaning to incon but inputs are welcome for better conclusion

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GRACE [0-7-0] Let future Trunks check this out - Manga Gohan vs. Toei Freeza

Post research: If we want them to be in the same realm, Toei would be represented by 3rd form Freeza (Frieza - Garlic Jr. Saga) and Manga would be represented by either Perfect Cell Saga Base Gohan or 50% of SSJ1 Goku Why those specifically? Simple. According to this 23900 Quettatons = 1 Foe...
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this basically just begun, both sides make sense, so far
 
Accelerated_Evolution said:
I mean, his profile probably lists scaling chains which lead into characters whose profiles mentions the values they scale to, no?
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He (maybe) scales above Raditz depending on which tier was used and then his second key is more confusing because it doesn't have the same adjustability as the first one, acting as if one of those ratings doesn't exist.
 
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