The biggest Deltarune CRT in history: Chapters 3 & 4 Tiering, LS and Speed Upgrades

[Imaginym]

Oh my gosh I haven't been here in like a month, how & why did this thread get to 7 pages in 2 weeks, what is going on here?
Sorry, sorry.
In more formal, arguably sophisticated-seeming terms: To assist & expediate in my evaluation & response regarding this Content Revision Thread, I request a summary of the current matters of discussion, please.

 

[LittleGuy99]

Oh my gosh I haven't been here in like a month, how & why did this thread get to 7 pages in 2 weeks, what is going on here?
Sorry, sorry.
In more formal, arguably sophisticated-seeming terms: To assist & expediate in my evaluation & response regarding this Content Revision Thread, I request a summary of the current matters of discussion, please.

A quick summary would be this:
-Attack Potency and Durability-
Normal enemies would be 8-A thanks to this calc (And other supporting calcs)

The Titan and Top Tiers would be 7-B for scaling directly to the Dark Fountain, and since Dark Worlds seem to have stars, it should have "Possibly 4-A"
Just leaving it as Possibly and nothing more for now
There are more reasons in the OP

-Lifting Strength-
They should all be Class G based on these two calcs, simple enough.

-SPEED-
FTL for everyone thanks to this calc (And other supporting calcs)

All of this is better explained in the OP

Vote Tally​

Agree (23, including 3 staff with evaluation rights): TheOrangeGuy09, Edutyn, Ghengiroo115 (everything else), Qurbonboev, Deonment (everything else), Ednaxel2, SnakesCity, Monsters_fight, LittleGuy99, Thelastmlg, Psychomaster35, Pegasus124467, Ti58 (everything else), Anonymous_Learner (everything else), Maniaunavailable (AP stuff only), OrangeFR, Tots_Real (everything else), Hypercyber37, Maverick_Zero_X (everything else), DarkDragonMedeus, Reiner04, Sptflcrw (everything else), Gooldiddy

Neutral (3, including 1 staff with evaluation rights): Ghengiroo115 (with 4-A), Maniaunavailable (speed stuff only) Maverick_Zero_X (with 4-A)

Disagree (7): Deonment (with 4-A), Ti58 (with 4-A), Mommyleona (with FTL), Anonymous_Learner (with 4-A), Tots_Real (with 4-A), Sparkive (only about downscaling on the Recruit stats), Sptflcrw (with Spamton NEO being x3 hia base self and Titan scaling from 7-B/4-A physically)

 

[Sptflcrw]

Oh my gosh I haven't been here in like a month, how & why did this thread get to 7 pages in 2 weeks, what is going on here?
Sorry, sorry.
In more formal, arguably sophisticated-seeming terms: To assist & expediate in my evaluation & response regarding this Content Revision Thread, I request a summary of the current matters of discussion, please.

Beyond what's in the OP, most of the discussion is on whether the Titan should physically scale to Dark Fountains in the first place, since it arguably violates the stabilization feat requirements (specifically requirement 2), and the creation feats were done through reality warping. There's also been some discussion on Spamton NEO's 3x multiplier, the speed calcs, and recruit downscaling and whether those are valid. Current votes are in OP and more staff input is being waited on rn

 

[StrymULTRA]

Oh my gosh I haven't been here in like a month, how & why did this thread get to 7 pages in 2 weeks, what is going on here?
Sorry, sorry.
In more formal, arguably sophisticated-seeming terms: To assist & expediate in my evaluation & response regarding this Content Revision Thread, I request a summary of the current matters of discussion, please.

Everything is in the OP, nothing's really changed besides few things like characters becoming from 8-B/Low 7-C to just 8-A.

 

[Hypercyber37]

Sooo... Which ones exactly were accepted?

Can we get 4-A ftl deltarune?

 

[Qurbonboev]

Sooo... Which ones exactly were accepted?

Can we get 4-A ftl deltarune?

FTL, Class G, 8-A for most cast and 7-B for top tiers were accepted. Only thing left is 4-A for top tiers(two staff agreed to "possible" rating, one is neutral)

 

[Sptflcrw]

FTL, Class G, 8-A for most cast and 7-B for top tiers were accepted. Only thing left is 4-A for top tiers(two staff agreed to "possible" rating, one is neutral)

7-B has not been accepted.

 

[Qurbonboev]

7-B has not been accepted.

All three staff members agreed to 7-B. They could change their opinion or new staff could disagree, but for now only thing that is not accepted is possibly 4-A for Titan

 

[StrymULTRA]

7-B has not been accepted.

7-B was indeed accepted, the 4-A point is still in contention.

 

[Sptflcrw]

All three staff members agreed to 7-B. They could change their opinion or new staff could disagree, but for now only thing that is not accepted is possibly 4-A for Titan

7-B was indeed accepted, the 4-A point is still in contention.

Controversial changes generally require more staff input. There's also been no comments on if Dark Fountains violate the requirements for sustenance feats, or if Titans can scale physically to the Fountain's reality warping.

 

[Axorandom0]

Controversial changes generally require more staff input.

Yeah… but 4-A (a LAAARGE jump in tiers) is the controversial change, not 7-B (only a few tiers higher than Giga Queen/Thrash)

 

[StrymULTRA]

Controversial changes generally require more staff input. There's also been no comments on if Dark Fountains violate the requirements for sustenance feats, or if Titans can scale physically to the Fountain's reality warping.

Also fine with 7-B Titans but neutral on 4-A.

Lol.

 

[Sptflcrw]

Yeah… but 4-A (a LAAARGE jump in tiers) is the controversial change, not 7-B (only a few tiers higher than Giga Queen/Thrash)

The tier jump itself is irrelevant, the reasoning (and the controversy and validity of said reasoning) is what matters.

 

[Sptflcrw]

Lol.

What are you saying?

 

[StrymULTRA]

What are you saying?

Every staff agreed with Titan being 7-B physically, the size of the Dark Worlds being 4-A is what still in discussion.

I quoted a staff saying that they agree with 7-B Titan, wonder why you ignored that, HMMM...

 

[Sptflcrw]

Every staff agreed with Titan being 7-B physically, the size of the Dark Worlds being 4-A is what still in discussion.

I quoted a staff saying that they agree with 7-B Titan, wonder why you ignored that, HMMM...

There's been 3 staff who have commented and agreed so far, all of which were before arguments against the 7-B scaling were brought up, and none have given a response as to whether the Dark Fountains violate the sustenance feat. You should ask a mod if that's enough to be accepted.

What are you saying? I replied to your post.

 

[StrymULTRA]

There's been 3 staff who have commented and agreed so far, all of which were before arguments against the 7-B scaling were brought up, and none have given a response as to whether the Dark Fountains violate the sustenance feat. You should ask a mod if that's enough to be accepted.

Some of them still viewed the thread after these points and didn't reply to them.

Maybe the fact that they still agree with OP didn't cross your mind?

 

[Sptflcrw]

Some of them still viewed the thread after these points and didn't reply to them.

Maybe the fact that they still agree with OP didn't cross your mind?

That's not a response.

How do you know that? You should ask and see if that's enough to go through. Stop talking to me like that.

 

[StrymULTRA]

How do you know that? You should ask and see if that's enough to go through. Stop talking to me like that.

And you should stop spamming the thread with the same stuff. You've been warned already to stop, you're making it harder for other staff to evaluate this thread by flooding it.

 

[Sptflcrw]

And you should stop spamming the thread with the same stuff. You've been warned already to stop, you're making it harder for other staff to evaluate this thread by flooding it.

Responding to your posts directly replying to me is not spam. Don't talk to me like that.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

High 6-A Mario was accepted with the votes at 5-2, and I feel like that was a lot more controversial than this.

 

[StrymULTRA]

High 6-A Mario was accepted with the votes at 5-2, and I feel like that was a lot more controversial than this.

Yeah but it's a 3 votes gap, this is a 2-0 for 4-A lol.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Yeah but it's a 3 votes gap, this is a 2-0 for 4-A lol.

Oh no I was just talking about 7-B, I forgot to specify.

 

[Sptflcrw]

High 6-A Mario was accepted with the votes at 5-2, and I feel like that was a lot more controversial than this.

It was, and it was pretty dumb, lol. Either way, I don't know why people are arguing if it's enough instead of just asking staff if it is, which is necessary anyway.

 

[Da3ggman]

It was, and it was pretty dumb, lol. Either way, I don't know why people are arguing if it's enough instead of just asking staff if it is, which is necessary anyway.

Crw, I aint the biggest fan of....most of these changes, honestly, but you gotta accept that the thread has basically been accepted. It'd do you a lot more good to just make a new thread detailing the issues you think there are rather than continue discussing it here; evidently, it's not getting you anywhere. Just my recommendation, at least.

 

[Sptflcrw]

Crw, I aint the biggest fan of....most of these changes, honestly, but you gotta accept that the thread has basically been accepted. It'd do you a lot more good to just make a new thread detailing the issues you think there are rather than continue discussing it here; evidently, it's not getting you anywhere. Just my recommendation, at least.

It was, and it was pretty dumb, lol. Either way, I don't know why people are arguing if it's enough instead of just asking staff if it is, which is necessary anyway.

I don't really care if this thread goes through. I don't use this site much anymore. I'm only commenting on it because I do lots of actual more formal debates on other platforms and it'll be annoying having to debunk this every single time I debate Deltarune. If it goes through, that's just what I'll do, though. But you still have to ask moderators if you can apply the changes that have been discussed, lol.

 

[LittleGuy99]

Bump

 

[Lilybitdun]

Bump

You have to wait for a day of thread inactivity to bump

 

[LittleGuy99]

You have to wait for a day of thread inactivity to bump

I know, although I've seen people bump on the same day there are messages as long as nobody has specifically said bump

 

[Edutyn]

Bump

 

[Pegasus124467]

Bump

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Bump

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

bump

 

[Edutyn]

Bump

 

[Edutyn]

Bump?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Oh my gosh I haven't been here in like a month, how & why did this thread get to 7 pages in 2 weeks, what is going on here?
Sorry, sorry.
In more formal, arguably sophisticated-seeming terms: To assist & expediate in my evaluation & response regarding this Content Revision Thread, I request a summary of the current matters of discussion, please.

Liar liar pants on fire

 

[LittleGuy99]

Liar liar pants on fire

Can't what has already been accepted be applied in the meantime?
I mean the non-top tiers

 

[StrymULTRA]

Can't what has already been accepted be applied in the meantime?
I mean the non-top tiers

It'd be counterproductive and weird to apply an incomplete CRT.

Besides there's no real rush.

 

[Edutyn]

Bump

 

[Imaginym]

Beyond what's in the OP, most of the discussion is on whether the Titan should physically scale to Dark Fountains in the first place, since it arguably violates the stabilization feat requirements (specifically requirement 2), and the creation feats were done through reality warping. There's also been some discussion on Spamton NEO's 3x multiplier, the speed calcs, and recruit downscaling and whether those are valid. Current votes are in OP and more staff input is being waited on rn

Ah, this:
Requirement 1: Specify what exactly is being stabilized so that it is made clear what the character's sustainability is doing precisely.

Requirement 2: Prove that the stabilized structure is being directly sustained by the power of the character and not from the character's abilities, life force, existence, magical properties, or any unknown connection that is independent of their statistics.

Requirement 3: Prove that the character's stabilization is comparable to the scale of the structure they are stabilizing. Preferably, it should be proven that the character's sustainability is comparable to the destruction of the structure to best show that their power rivals the destructive output of what would destroy the structure in the first place. Please keep in mind that this may vary depending on how the structure's destruction would occur. For example, if a character sustains the existence of a universe that would not be instantly or immediately destroyed when no longer supported, the power of their sustainability would not be comparable to destructive output that completely and immediately destroys a universe, and would not be sufficient enough to be given a 3-A or Low 2-C rating. However, their sustainability could be given either rating if the universe they sustain would be completely destroyed instantly or immediately without support.

Requirement 4: Prove that the power of the character's stabilization consistently scales to their regular statistics, similar to our standards for creation feats.


It sounds like whether the Titan's 4-A feat matches 1 or more requirement, Requirement 2 in particular, needs to be discussed?

& looking at the tally, it does sound like 4-A is opposed.
I'd be okay with Possibly 4-A, if there's sufficient quantity of votes for it, but otherwise, I'd oppose it.

Liar liar pants on fire

FWIW, I said "To assist & expediate"; As in, "Help & speed up". I never specified by how much, nor how long I might take.
I do apologize for being so slow to reply, though.