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Potential huge LS and AP God tier bleach upgrade (Squad zero level characters)

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Alright, list V2
ValueSI UnitStatistic ReasonCharactersTier
1.2266666e+66 Joules12.26 ZetaFoeCalc / Sklaverei (x3) / Blut (x10) / Bankai (x10)Renji3-C
1.22666e+67 Joules122.66 ZetaFoeCalc / Sklaverei (x3) / Blut (x10)Bankai Renji, Base Uryu3-C
1.2266666e+68 Joules1.226 YottaFoeCalc / Sklaverei (x3)Royal Guard / Uryu with Blut / Renji's Zagai Zekko / Aizen's Second and Third Form3-C
3.68e+68 Joules3.68 YottaFoeCalc ValueFourth Form Aizen / Senna's Death Explosion / Awakened Yhwach / True Shikai Ichigo / Reio / Uryu with Blut & Sklaverei3-C
3.68e+69 Joules36.8 YottaFoeCalc Value x 10 (Blut / Hollowification / Getsuga Twoshio)Uryu with Vollständig / Yhwach's Blut / Ichigo's Blut & Jujishio / Merged Hollow Ichigo3-B
4.416e+69 Joules44.16 YottaFoeCalc x 12Ultra-Fragor / Dangai Ichigo3-B
3.68e+70 Joules368 YottaFoeValue 1: Calc Value x 10 (Blut) x 10 (Hollowification)
Value 2: Calc Value x 10 (Bankai or Getsuga) x 10 (Hollowification)		Value 1: Merged Hollow Ichigo's Blut
Value 2: Merged Hollow Ichigo's Bankai / TYBW Aizen / SK Yheach / Ikomik / CFYOW Kenpachi / Amped Hikone / Amped Ginjo		3-B
3.68e+71 Joules3.68 RonnaFoeCalc Value x 10 (Blut or Getsuga) x 10 (Hollowification) x 10 (Bankai)Merged Hollow Bankai Ichigo's Blut or Getsuga / SK Yhwach's Blunt3-B
3.68e+72 Joules36.8 RonnaFoeCalc Value x 10 (Grand Ray Cero) x 10 (Hollowification) x 10 (Bankai) x 10 (Getsuga)Merged Hollow Bankai Ichigo's Cero Creciente / Prime Reio3-B
3.68e+73 Joules368 RonnaFoeCalc Value x 10 (Grand Ray Cero) x 10 (Hollowification) x 10 (Bankai) x 10 (Getsuga) x 10 (Blut)Theoretically Merged Hollow Bankai Ichigo's Cero Creciente with Blut increases / Prime Reio3-B
 
Qawsedf234 said:
The issue I have is that the OP is jumping from 5x to 10x for Blut increases. Looking at the profiles, it's considered a 10x currently, so I used that instead and had to rewrite everything after the calc value

So making a list:

ValueSI UnitStatistic ReasonCharactersTier
1.2266666e+66 Joules12.26 ZetaFoeCalc / Sklaverei (x3) / Blut (x10) / Bankai (x10)Renji3-C
1.22666e+67 Joules122.66 ZetaFoeCalc / Sklaverei (x3) / Blut (x10)Bankai Renji, Base Uryu3-C
1.2266666e+68 Joules1.226 YottaFoeCalc / Sklaverei (x3)Royal Guard / Uryu with Blut / Renji's Zagai Zekko3-C
3.68e+68 Joules3.68 YottaFoeCalc ValueFourth Form Aizen / Senna's Death Explosion / Awakened Yhwach / True Shikai Ichigo / Reio / Uryu with Blut & Sklaverei3-C
3.68e+69 Joules36.8 YottaFoeCalc Value x 10 (Blut / Hollowification / Getsuga Twoshio)Uryu with Vollständig / Yhwach's Blut / Ichigo's Blut & Jujishio / Merged Hollow Ichigo3-B
4.416e+69 Joules44.16 YottaFoeCalc x 12Ultra-Fragor / Dangai Ichigo3-B
3.68e+70 Joules368 YottaFoeValue 1: Calc Value x 10 (Blut) x 10 (Hollowification)
Value 2: Calc Value x 10 (Bankai or Getsuga) x 10 (Hollowification)		Value 1: Merged Hollow Ichigo's Blut
Value 2: Merged Hollow Ichigo's Bankai / TYBW Aizen / SK Yheach / Ikomik / CFYOW Kenpachi / Amped Hikone / Amped Ginjo		3-B
3.68e+71 Joules3.68 RonnaFoeCalc Value x 10 (Blut or Getsuga) x 10 (Hollowification) x 10 (Bankai)Merged Hollow Bankai Ichigo's Blut / SK Yhwach's Blunt3-B
3.68e+72 Joules36.8 RonnaFoeCalc Value x 10 (Grand Ray Cero) x 10 (Hollowification) x 10 (Bankai) x 10 (Getsuga)Merged Hollow Bankai Ichigo's Cero Creciente / Prime Reio3-B

I believe these are the value, which I think I'm fine with
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I agree with that scaling chain, though idk about Getsuga being 10x
 
Qawsedf234 said:
Wait if its not accepted as x10 then why did the OP suggest its a 10x amp?
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I have no clue. I think its cause Getsuga Jūjisho overpowered Yhwach's Blut-enhanced Sankt Zwinger?… But IF that is indeed the case, Ichigo would've absolutely used Blut as well… At best, Getsuga Jūjisho would be a 2x amp for AP, cus its two Tensho's in one. But maybe that could be a "possibly"

And you cant have Sklaverei without Volstandig. And Volstandig is an unknown multiplier cus its never stated to be equated to anything unfortunately
 
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Qawsedf234 said:
Wait if its not accepted as x10 then why did the OP suggest its a 10x amp?
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Man IDK I've saying "are we treating Getsuga as 10x" and "if we are doing that" this whole time lol. This thread is where that would have to happen (though I saw something about Jujishio scaling above something, but OP should be the one to clarify that.)
If you're talking about the final chart OP posted, that one says Getsuga Tensho 10x once and I think that's supposed to be for Hollowfication, as far as I can tell.
To note, Gran Ray Cero Getsuga is accepted as 10x, that isn't changing.
 
DragonZeroNova said:
Man IDK I've saying "are we treating Getsuga as 10x" and "if we are doing that" this whole time lol. This thread is where that would have to happen (though I saw something about Jujishio scaling above something, but OP should be the one to clarify that.)
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Cringe.

List V3:
ValueSI UnitStatistic ReasonCharactersTier
1.2266666e+66 Joules12.26 ZetaFoeCalc / Sklaverei (x3) / Blut (x10) / Bankai (x10)Renji3-C
1.22666e+67 Joules122.66 ZetaFoeCalc / Sklaverei (x3) / Blut (x10)Bankai Renji / Base Uryu3-C
1.2266666e+68 Joules1.226 YottaFoeCalc / Sklaverei (x3)Royal Guard / Uryu with Blut / Renji's Zagai Zekko / Aizen's Second and Third Form3-C
3.68e+68 Joules3.68 YottaFoeCalc ValueFourth Form Aizen / Senna's Death Explosion / Awakened Yhwach / True Shikai Ichigo / Reio / Uryu with Blut & Sklaverei3-C
3.68e+69 Joules36.8 YottaFoeCalc Value x 10 (Blut / Hollowification)Yhwach's Blut / Ichigo's Blut / Merged Hollow Ichigo3-B
4.416e+69 Joules44.16 YottaFoeCalc x 12Ultra-Fragor / Dangai Ichigo3-B
3.68e+70 Joules368 YottaFoeValue 1: Calc Value x 10 (Blut) x 10 (Hollowification)

Value 2: Calc Value x 10 (Bankai) x 10 (Hollowification)		Value 1: Merged Hollow Ichigo's Blut

Value 2: Merged Hollow Ichigo's Bankai / TYBW Aizen / SK Yhwach / Ikomik / CFYOW Kenpachi / Amped Hikone / Amped Ginjo		3-B
3.68e+71 Joules3.68 RonnaFoeCalc Value x 10 (Grand Rey Cero / Blut) x 10 (Hollowification) x 10 (Bankai)Merged Hollow Bankai Ichigo's Blut or Cero Creciente / SK Yhwach's Blut3-B
3.68e+72 Joules36.8 RonnaFoeCalc Value x 10 (Grand Ray Cero) x 10 (Hollowification) x 10 (Bankai) x 10 (Blut)Theoretical Merged Hollow Bankai Ichigo's Cero Creciente with Blut / Prime Reio3-B
 
DragonZeroNova said:
Man IDK I've saying "are we treating Getsuga as 10x" and "if we are doing that" this whole time lol. This thread is where that would have to happen (though I saw something about Jujishio scaling above something, but OP should be the one to clarify that.)
If you're talking about the final chart OP posted, that one says Getsuga Tensho 10x once and I think that's supposed to be for Hollowfication, as far as I can tell.
To note, Gran Ray Cero Getsuga is accepted as 10x, that isn't changing.
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Yeah Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tensho (Or as I prefer it calling "Cero Creciente" from Rebirth of Souls) is absolutely Above x10... but that's because of Gran Rey Cero itself, which is above Cero Oscuras (which is x10 due to the "order of magnitude" fiasco).

Getsuga Tensho itself has 0 concrete multipliers. though I am fine with Getsuga Jūjisho being possibly x2 more because of it being two Tensho's in one.


Qawsedf234 said:
List V3
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10000000000% Agree
 
Had a few corrections, decided to try and make my own table (based on Qaw's) with the corrections bolded. Hopefully everything works (Also I realised for some reason Ichigo's Bankai is being written as 10x when it's currently 100x because of being stronger then Merged Hollow with Cero Creciente when it currently scales to SK Yhwach, who scales to 100x True Shikai from Merged Hollow+Cero Creciente. I've written it as 100x for ease of communication in the table) (Renji's Bankai is 10x from scaling to Uryu)
Edit: Added Orihime's durability cause that should be made clear. Tell me if I've missed something else
(Note: I edited something at 2:20 PM and 2:52 PM EST November 3rd 2025, I was just getting rid of some extra spaces, typos and I accidentally wrote Value 2 twice in one category. I did not change any scaling or any values)
Edit 2: Had to add in Uryu's Sklaverei value since we didn't have that.

Changes from Qaw's chart (additions/corrections bolded)
ValueSI UnitStatistic ReasonCharactersTier
1.2266666e+66 Joules12.2667 ZettaFoeCalc / Sklaverei (x3) / Blut (x10) / (Renji's) Bankai (x10)Base Renji3-C
1.22666e+67 Joules122.6667 ZettaFoeCalc / Sklaverei (x3) / Blut (x10)Bankai Renji / Base Uryu3-C
3.68e+67 Joules368 ZettaFoeCalc / Blut (x10)Uryu with Sklaverei3-C
1.2266666e+68 Joules1.2267 YottaFoeCalc / Sklaverei (x3)Royal Guard / Uryu with Blut / Renji's Zagai Zekko / Aizen's Second and Third Fusion3-C
3.68e+68 Joules3.68 YottaFoeCalc ValueFourth and Final Fusion Aizen / Senna's Death Explosion / Awakened Yhwach / True Shikai Ichigo / Reio / Uryu with Blut & Sklaverei3-C
3.68e+69 Joules36.8 YottaFoeCalc Value x 10 (Blut / Hollowification)Yhwach's Blut / Ichigo's Blut / Merged Hollow Shikai Ichigo3-B
4.416e+69 Joules44.16 YottaFoeCalc x 12 (12 Fragor)Ultra-Fragor / Dangai Ichigo3-B
3.68e+70 Joules368 YottaFoeValue 1: Calc Value x 10 (Blut) x 10 (Hollowification)

Value 2: Calc Value x 100 (Bankai)

Value 3: Calc Value x 10 (Hollowifciation) x 10 (Cero Creciente)		Value 1: Merged Hollow Shikai Ichigo's Blut

Value 2: Ichigo's Bankai

Value 3: Merged Hollow Shikai Ichigo's Cero Creciente
/ TYBW Aizen / SK Yhwach / Ikomik / CFYOW Kenpachi / Amped Hikone / Amped Ginjo / Orihime Shun Shun Rikka (Durability only)		3-B
3.68e+71 Joules3.68 RonnaFoeValue 1: Calc Value x 100 (Bankai) x 10 (Hollowification)

Value 2: Calc Value x 100 (Bankai) x 10 (Blut)

Value 3: Calc Value x 10 (Cero Creciente) x 10 (Hollowification) x 10 (Blut) 		Value 1: Merged Hollow Bankai Ichigo

Value 2: Bankai Ichigo with Blut / SK Yhwach's Blut (Could go in either value 1 or 2 doesn't really matter)

Value 3: Merged Hollow Shikai Ichigo's Blut with Cero Creciente
(Theoretical)		3-B
3.68e+72 Joules36.8 RonnaFoeValue 1: Calc Value x 10 (Cero Creciente / Blut) x 10 (Hollowification) x 100 (Bankai)Value 1: Merged Hollow Bankai Ichigo's Blut or Cero Creciente / Prime Reio3-B
3.68e+73 Joules368 RonnaFoeCalc Value x 10 (Grand Ray Cero) x 10 (Hollowification) x 100 (Bankai) x 10 (Blut)Merged Hollow Bankai Ichigo's Cero Creciente with Blut (Theoretical) / Prime Reio
(Theoretical)		3-B
 
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DragonZeroNova said:
10x when it's currently 100x because of being stronger then Merged Hollow with Cero Creciente
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Apotheosis69 said:
I mean what makes Ichigo's Bankai x100?
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They're talking about the current scaling
Attack Potency: At least Solar System level, possibly Multi-Solar System level (Hollowfication provides a tremendous boost to Ichigo's power[Statistics Values 7]), higher with Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tensho (Pierced Soul King Yhwach's defenses and forced Yhwach to open his Almighty eyes, Gran Rey Cero is a greater boost than Cero Oscuras[Statistics Values 6]), Solar System level+, possibly Galaxy level with Bankai (Soul King Yhwach feared Ichigo's Bankai enough to go out of his way not to fight it, instead destroying it with his Almighty[Statistics Values 8]), Multi-Solar System level, possibly Galaxy level with Bankai and Gran Rey Cero Getsuga Tensho (Both these techniques drastically raise Ichigo's destructive output[Statistics Values 9])
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  • Value 6: 1.01 TeraFoe, possibly 1.688 ZettaFoe
  • Value 7: 101 GigaFoe, possibly 168.8 ExaFoe
  • Value 8: 10.1 TeraFoe, possibly 16.88 ZettaFoe
  • Value 9: 101 TeraFoe, possibly 168.8 ZettaFoe
So we have:
  • Value 7: Hollowification -> Baseline
  • Value 6: Cero -> Baseline x10
  • Value 8: Bankai -> Cero x10
  • Value 9: Bankai and Cero -> Bankai x10
Though this sounds incredibly... questionable in my view. It was seemingly accepted in this thread but I'm not sure why it was accepted since like, Bankai could still just be a 10x boost rather than a random 100x boost.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
They're talking about the current scaling

  • Value 6: 1.01 TeraFoe, possibly 1.688 ZettaFoe
  • Value 7: 101 GigaFoe, possibly 168.8 ExaFoe
  • Value 8: 10.1 TeraFoe, possibly 16.88 ZettaFoe
  • Value 9: 101 TeraFoe, possibly 168.8 ZettaFoe
So we have:
  • Value 7: Hollowification -> Baseline
  • Value 6: Cero -> Baseline x10
  • Value 8: Bankai -> Cero x10
  • Value 9: Bankai and Cero -> Bankai x10
Though this sounds incredibly... questionable in my view. It was seemingly accepted in this thread but I'm not sure why it was accepted since like, Bankai could still just be a 10x boost rather than a random 100x boost.
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Yeah? That's the current scaling.

True Shikai Ichigo: 10.1 GigaFoe, possibly 16.88 ExaFoe
Merged Hollow True Shikai: 101 GigaFoe, possibly 168.8 ExaFoe (10x)
Merged Hollow True Shikai Cero, Regular Bankai: 1.01 TeraFoe, possibly 1.688 ZettaFoe (10x (100x base)
Merged Hollow True Bankai: 10.1 TeraFoe, possibly 16.88 ZettaFoe (10x (1000x base)
Merged Hollow True Bankai Cero: 101 TeraFoe, possibly 168.8 ZettaFoe (10x (10000x base)
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I know, I was just expressing my confusion over it.
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Oh my bad. It's just a 100x boost because it can't be weaker compared to his 10x10 multiplier via merged hollow and cero. I don't think it's actually a 100x boost, it just scales to someone who is 100x stronger then base True Shikai.....
Maybe I should write it that way instead.
 
I feel like for Bankai scaling... Gonna have to say it... wait for Cour 4 to see
 
The cero creciente is 100× times stronger because his merged hollow form is a 10 times boost coupled with a 10 times gran rey cero. Not that getsuga tensho itself is an amp. Then his bankai scales well above that as he cleaved through yhwach who crushed his cero criente (getsuga tensho × gran rey cero)

Getsuga Jujishio is 10 times because it destroyed yhwach's ultimate defense (>>> blut vene amps (10) and overpowered Full power uryu stersnaubb attack (>>>> his blut enhanced arrows that destroyed Ichigo’s blut protected body.
ShiftCtrlAltDeleteTabFn said:
He has not (as far as I remember), but I think it's indexed because he can, theoretically.
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He has on two occasions (that we see) when he uses his own blut to overpower Yhwach blut control in EP 30, and when he blocks a arrow from uryu
Apotheosis69 said:
Getsuga Tensho itself has 0 concrete multipliers. though I am fine with Getsuga Jūjisho being possibly x2 more because of it being two Tensho's in one.
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Getsuga Jujishio itself doesn't have a multiplier, it scales above uryu and yhwach strongest attack and defense (>>>> superior to blut amps) respectively. So it would definitely be given that rating atleast.
DragonZeroNova said:
This would also open up the possibility of Blut+Hollow+Jujishio+Gran Ray (10x10x10x10)
Perhaps you could clarify these parts (sorry for the work
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I don't think this should be done, we don't know if he can amp reaitsu based attacks with blut since quinces amp their reishi not with blut. So I don't think we should do this unless he shows he can achieve this.

The others are things he can achieve in weaker forms extending to his stronger forms. This is something he has never done.
 
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We should only give ichigo stacks to things he has done so as not to confuse anyone. For instance he has combined Hollowfied getsuga tensho + gran rey cero i.e cero creciente before so he would get that rating in shikai and in bankai in his merged key. He hasn't added blut to this attack before so we shouldn't give him that as the nature of blut is reishi based and is applied to reishi (spiritual matter) attacks not reaistu (spiritual energy) attacks.

So ichigo true zanpakuto shikai and merged hollow form shikai should have access to Jujishio (10× amp their regular ratings).

Merged hollow shikai ichigo and merged hollow bankai ichigo should have access to cero creciente (10 times their regular ratings).

All forms of ichigo has access to blut (10 times their regular ratings).
 
Specterxxxx said:
Getsuga Jujishio itself doesn't have a multiplier, it scales above uryu and yhwach strongest attack and defense (>>>> superior to blut amps) respectively. So it would definitely be given that rating atleast.
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Thats cause Ichigo himself uses Blut to enhance it against Yhwach. Still wholeheartedly believe that Jujisho should be a x2 and dont agree with Uryu's arrows being x10 for piercing Ichigo whom clearly was not in the right state of mind in the slightest, and thats's final for me.
 
Apotheosis69 said:
Thats cause Ichigo himself uses Blut to enhance it against Yhwach.
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No proof that he can incorporate blut into spiritual energy so this isn't true.
Apotheosis69 said:
Still wholeheartedly believe that Jujisho should be a x2 and dont agree with Uryu's arrows being x10 for piercing Ichigo whom clearly was not in the right state of mind in the slightest, and thats's final for me.
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The burden of proof falls on you to provide evidences that justify this claim, otherwise you are cluttering this thread.

Ichigo trying to hold back doesn't remove his automatic blut vene, this is not an argument.
 
Qawsedf234 said:
I'm fine with this
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What is your current stance on the scaling? I believe I have addressed Jujishio scaling, the "100×" boost, and prolly any other confusion that arose. I leave it to you and the other staffs to decide on which gets added and which doesn't based on what I or others have added.
 
Specterxxxx said:
What is your current stance on the scaling? I believe I have addressed Jujishio scaling, the "100×" boost, and prolly any other confusion that arose. I leave it to you and the other staffs to decide on which gets added and which doesn't based on what I or others have added.
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There's currently no evidence of a accepted 10x amp for Jujishio, meaning that it wouldn't be included in this CRT which is about who scales to a particular calc.

If you want to argue for it, then a seperate thread would be needed in my view.

For the scaling I agreed with DragonNova's revision.
 
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