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Potential huge LS and AP God tier bleach upgrade (Squad zero level characters)

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SilentBob34 said:
I support the AP part of the feat, it was a big contention back then because there weren’t any feats near that level but now there a couple. That said, I highly disagree with anyone other than God tiers scaling to this since they’re the ones with actual higher feats that would relate to it. Your examples of Uryu and Ichigo make no sense when base Uryu(who you try and use as a basis even though he spent the majority of both with fights in his V2 form) scales to TS Ichigo. When that’s directly disproven by the fact when Ichigo sent one Getsuga his way, he dove out of the way and Ichigo was on top of him right after. Then he immediately used his strongest form to fight an Ichigo who was holding back, while he went all out. This was confirmed by the anime team on the official anime site.

Renji especially doesn’t scale, sure he overpowered base Uryu(who already doesn’t scale to TS Ichigo) failed to do any damage with his second strongest attack. The second Uryu used his first stage VS, Renji was outclassed. He barely deflected an arrow, and got overwhelmed by a barrage from Uryu. The second Uryu used his V2 Vollstandig, Renji got put down immediately. And that’s the only version that remotely scales to Ichigo considering Uryu didn’t feel confident enough in either fights to let it play out while he was in base(as he did against Renji).

The LS is a whole different can of worms. We have Ichigo taking a specific test to see if he can withstand the weight of the 3 realms, and he struggles with it. But what you’re suggesting is people who are far weaker scale to his LS even though we’re shown by the most damning evidence, Renji couldn’t even stand up in Ichibei’s room due to how strong the reishi was. He spent almost a day there and the best he could manage was to stand in one spot and stare at rukia. That’s such a stark contrast to Ichigo who was walking around no problem and never once commented he felt anything pressure from being there
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I will address this argument in depth when I feel like it, you are jumping far ahead addressing things that doesn't even relate to the overall basis of my CRT.
 
SilentBob34 said:
No worries man, sorry if I jumped the gun and started talking about other things I don’t agree with
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Ahh it's no problem, but I want to clear up a misconception, If the feat gets accepted. I will then do a scaling ramification CRT that addresses everyone stat value. Some will downscale from the AP value (squad zero), while someone will upscale (soul king tiers) the main basis of this proposal is to get both ratings accepted then consequent CRTs will be made based off that. Let's not try to address everything in one CRT that is going to derail and remove opinions from the main focus.
 
I will like to reaffirm the main aim of this CRT is to propose the legitimacy of both the LS and AP calcs. Any scaling arrangements from those calcs won't be addressed here and since I including basically a preamble to those who scale to the calcs and why they scale to them is already driving focus from that I will strike out that section and purely focus on the key points because I am beginning to notice my CRT addressing several key points is causing a lot of issues here.

Now if both AP and LS calc ratings get accepted, I will create two seperate CRTs for both and address them in depth and propose the scaling values of each character scaling to them.

If only AP gets accepted, I will create a CRT for the scaling values for the characters and then create a CRT that sorely focuses on LS section that will fully explain the mechanics of UES, Blanks LS in far more depth, update all the relevant LS calcs (tybw) and propose characters who would scale (since it doesn't require scaling arrangements like AP) and if blank feat still isn't accepted, I will drop the Universal LS rating and focus on the LS ratings instead.
 
If everyone is fine with the AP, I'm fine with deferring to that consensus.

I'm neutral on the Lifting Strength; mostly because I haven't watched the movie in a very long time, and it would be disingenuous of me to act like I have and give a strong opinion on it either way. If it's accepted, so be it--if it's rejected, so be it.
 
I understand the LS argument doesn't seem concrete enough as it is more controversial. So I will do a CRT afterwards sorely on LS. This CRT will be far much detailed and concrete and if it gets accepted or rejected after that I won't create any CRT on it again.
 
Its remaining one staff vote before this thread can conclude. I am fine with only AP being accepted so we can move on to the next. Scaling ramifications will be done by me or another person once this thread is closed.
 
Specterxxxx said:
Its remaining one staff vote before this thread can conclude. I am fine with only AP being accepted so we can move on to the next. Scaling ramifications will be done by me or another person once this thread is closed.
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People that currently already scales should get the updated value.

Soul King, Senna, Yhwach, Ichigo, Aizen, Hikone, Zaraki, Ginjo, Ikomikomodoe.

For further scalings discussion, a new thread can be made as you said.
 
Infinite9Luck said:
People that currently already scales should get the updated value.

Soul King, Senna, Yhwach, Ichigo, Aizen, Hikone, Zaraki, Ginjo, Ikomikomodoe.

For further scalings discussion, a new thread can be made as you said.
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What would be the new tier?
 
PizzaDante67 said:
wouldnt that also get Aizen to 3-B due to the Ultra Fragor Muliplier or am i just imagining stuff?
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Ultra Fragor is 12x. If 12x this base calculation of 3-C is 3-B, then maybe. Otherwise, keep in mind Soul King Yhwach scales to 100x Squad Zero/Weakened Soul King while Final Fusion Aizen just scales above the Squad Zero/Weakened Soul King, with TYBW Aizen scaling to 100x as well due to scaling to Yhwach.
Thus:
Final Fusion Aizen = >Baseline (this calc), 12x with Ultra Fragor
TYBW Aizen = 100x this calc.

I haven't checked the actual values, so IDK who reaches 3-B yet (Infinite said Ichigo, but I'll need to check anyways and I'll do that if this CRT passes)
 
Also, even if the premise is accepted, you still need a Calc member to approve the actual calc (you should cross out the LS part so they don't get stuck on that)
 
No, of course not, because as of now the Senna's scaling accepted for SK Yhwach uses this as the justification for his profile, and Yhwach is placed above anything 4th-fusion Aizen is capable of.

SK Yhwach: 3.68e68 joules (3-C) > 4th-fusion Aizen at peak.

That is the currently accepted scaling.
 
DragonZeroNova said:
Ultra Fragor is 12x. If 12x this base calculation of 3-C is 3-B, then maybe. Otherwise, keep in mind Soul King Yhwach scales to 100x Squad Zero/Weakened Soul King while Final Fusion Aizen just scales above the Squad Zero/Weakened Soul King, with TYBW Aizen scaling to 100x as well due to scaling to Yhwach.
Thus:
Final Fusion Aizen = >Baseline (this calc), 12x with Ultra Fragor
TYBW Aizen = 100x this calc.

I haven't checked the actual values, so IDK who reaches 3-B yet (Infinite said Ichigo, but I'll need to check anyways and I'll do that if this CRT passes)
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If Fourth Fusion Aizen scales to the 3.68e68 Joules value, Dangai Ichigo would scale to it as well. Final Fusion Aizen burned Dangai Ichigo's arm with one Fragor so one Fragor => 3.68e68 joules and that times 12 should be 4.416e69 joules, which should be 3-B. And may i ask where the 100x squad 0 value comes from? i'm abit lost rn.
 
DragonZeroNova said:
Is it? Ah, I see. The re-calc thing was just for clarity. Well, we'll have to link both.
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Yeah, the AP calc is accepted. If you mean the LS calc is not accepted is true but, apparently, LS is not going to get accepted anyway.
PizzaDante67 said:
If Fourth Fusion Aizen scales to the 3.68e68 Joules value, Dangai Ichigo would scale to it as well. Final Fusion Aizen burned Dangai Ichigo's arm with one Fragor so one Fragor => 3.68e68 joules and that times 12 should be 4.416e69 joules, which should be 3-B. And may i ask where the 100x squad 0 value comes from? i'm abit lost rn.
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That's not the scaling, as I said SK Yhwach currently scales to it as per justification, which is above any peak 4th fusion Aizen reach.

Only Muken Aizen will scale.
 
Infinite9Luck said:
No, of course not, because as of now the Senna's scaling accepted for SK Yhwach uses this as the justification for his profile, and Yhwach is placed above anything 4th-fusion Aizen is capable of.

SK Yhwach: 3.68e68 joules (3-C) > 4th-fusion Aizen at peak.

That is the currently accepted scaling.
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Ahhh ok i didn't know that. If thats the case, then he wouldnt be 3-B.
 
Infinite9Luck said:
No, of course not, because as of now the Senna's scaling accepted for SK Yhwach uses this as the justification for his profile, and Yhwach is placed above anything 4th-fusion Aizen is capable of.

SK Yhwach: 3.68e68 joules (3-C) > 4th-fusion Aizen at peak.

That is the currently accepted scaling.
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Is this the value SK Yhwach will be scaling to and not Squad Zero? Are they being scaled to 100x less, or is this Squad 0's base rating and Yhwach is 100x that? Because if it scales to the Weakened Soul King directly, then it scales to Squad Zero and SK Yhwach would be 100x that. If it scales to SK Yhwach, Squad Zero would be 1/100 that value.

Keep in mind Weakened Soul King also scales above Senna.
 
DragonZeroNova said:
Is this the value SK Yhwach will be scaling to and not Squad Zero? Are they being scaled to 100x less, or is this Squad 0's base rating and Yhwach is 100x that? Because if it scales to the Weakened Soul King directly, then it scales to Squad Zero and SK Yhwach would be 100x that. If it scales to SK Yhwach, Squad Zero would be 1/100 that value.

Keep in mind Weakened Soul King also scales above Senna.
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Wouldn't that contradict the notion of it being scaled to SK Yhwach in his profile, but not on Almighty/base Yhwach?
 
PizzaDante67 said:
If Fourth Fusion Aizen scales to the 3.68e68 Joules value, Dangai Ichigo would scale to it as well. Final Fusion Aizen burned Dangai Ichigo's arm with one Fragor so one Fragor => 3.68e68 joules and that times 12 should be 4.416e69 joules, which should be 3-B. And may i ask where the 100x squad 0 value comes from? i'm abit lost rn.
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It's Ichigo who is 100x, SK Yhwach scales above that. True Shikai Ichigo scales directly to Squad Zero. Ichigo in his hollow form (10x) plus his cero getsuga (10x) could only deal some damage to SK Yhwach, so SK Yhwach is 100x Squad Zero. This is not a direct multiplier though, only Ichigo has the multipliers.
 
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Infinite9Luck said:
Wouldn't that contradict the notion of it being scaled to SK Yhwach in his profile, but not on Almighty/base Yhwach?
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?? How so? Currently base Yhwach is unfinished (from what I understand) but he doesn't scale to Squad Zero. Almighty scales above Weakened Soul King in his justification and the Weakened Soul King scales above Senna in his justification.
 
DragonZeroNova said:
?? How so? Currently base Yhwach is unfinished (from what I understand) but he doesn't scale to Squad Zero. Almighty scales above Weakened Soul King in his justification and the Weakened Soul King scales above Senna in his justification.
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Yeah but on his profile:

Solar System level, possibly Multi-Solar System level (Significantly stronger than Senna's explosion, as he is able to remove the barrier between worlds which Senna's explosion was unable to do. Stated numerous times to be capable of destroying multiple realms and creating a new one,[54] and without his power the world cannot stand.[112] Grew more powerful after absorbing Ichigo's powers and the powers of his Sternritter[Statistics Values 4]).

This version is after absorbing the WSK. Not the one before. So Almighty wouldn't scale.

But if you scale it to WSK then yeah, it would scales to previous version of Aizen as well. Which mean we have to calculate way more value to update.
 
I think it's all better to wait after this CRT concludes and not do this on this CRT. The people scaling to the value is only senna, reio and true shikai ichigo (who will later be used to upscale and downscale sqaud zero tiers), then muken Aizen, kenpachi, Hikone, Ikomikomodoe, Ginjo, regular bankai ichigo and sk yhwach, will scale to 100 times the rating value based off ichigo hollowfication + gesugatensho amps being comparable to that power.
Then merged bankai ichigo is a 100 times that value since his bankai (100 Amp) × hollowfication + gesugatensho (100 Amp). Prime reio would also scale here as well.

Now this is without blut with blut every amplifier gets multiplied by 5 and true shikai ichigo will upscale 3 times that value with (Getsuga jujishio) since it clashed with vol + slav uryu strongest attack and won (3 × the senna feat value) eventually.

There are still some errors here this is why a separate thread should be made for this, to avoid errors.
 
Infinite9Luck said:
Yeah but on his profile:

Solar System level, possibly Multi-Solar System level (Significantly stronger than Senna's explosion, as he is able to remove the barrier between worlds which Senna's explosion was unable to do. Stated numerous times to be capable of destroying multiple realms and creating a new one,[54] and without his power the world cannot stand.[112] Grew more powerful after absorbing Ichigo's powers and the powers of his Sternritter[Statistics Values 4]).

This version is after absorbing the WSK. Not the one before. So Almighty wouldn't scale.

But if you scale it to WSK then yeah, it would scales to previous version of Aizen as well. Which mean we have to calculate way more value to update.
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I mean

"At least Solar System level, possibly Multi-Solar System level (Stabbed the Weakened Soul King, burnt True Shikai Ichigo's arm, and claimed to be far superior to the Weakened Soul King)"

For Almighty Yhwach

"At least Solar System level, possibly Multi-Solar System level (Passively prevents the collapse of the Soul Society. Protecting it from far more souls than what Senna could manipulate with the Blanks. It should be noted that the Soul King in this state has no agency and cannot feasibly attack"

For Weakened Soul King.

SK Yhwach also scales to Ichigo if we need to add extra to his justification or something.
 
Infinite9Luck said:
Yeah but on his profile:

Solar System level, possibly Multi-Solar System level (Significantly stronger than Senna's explosion, as he is able to remove the barrier between worlds which Senna's explosion was unable to do. Stated numerous times to be capable of destroying multiple realms and creating a new one,[54] and without his power the world cannot stand.[112] Grew more powerful after absorbing Ichigo's powers and the powers of his Sternritter[Statistics Values 4]).

This version is after absorbing the WSK. Not the one before. So Almighty wouldn't scale.

But if you scale it to WSK then yeah, it would scales to previous version of Aizen as well. Which mean we have to calculate way more value to update.
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That will probably be decided in the Scaling ramification so we will see ig. Its a matter of time until this thread gets accepted/closed (imagine it gets rejected all of a sudden lol)
Although i wouldnt be against my GOAT Aizen having a 3-B rating.
 
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