Possible issues with Asta's Doom's gate calculation

[DavidTPPM]

You should totally go evaluate my other CRT that's definitely going to speed me up here frfr

 

[Dalesean027]

You should totally go evaluate my other CRT that's definitely going to speed me up here frfr

Idk what other CRTs ya talking about but I'm barely been on site myself because im generally busy myself

 

[Mommyleona]

Ngl I completely forgot about this. I'll try to write the summary by the end of the week

bruh

 

[Worthless]

So that damage that was originally reserved for the Clover Kingdom should logically extend to the rest of the world when he switched his method for destruction (changing from the imperial sword the meteor) and goal(from country to the entire world) which suggests surface swiping capabilities and reinforce the enormous size of the meteor.

Dude this is no different from how the elves saw the people of the Clover Kingdom as a threat not just to their own country but to nature itself, so by killing them they were saving the "world." He’s not actually talking about reforming or saving the whole continent or whole surface itself by destroying them. That’s literally not his plan at all. Just be ****** honest dude

 

[Worthless]

You should evaluate the context of the sentence itself rather than the general context. The term “world” is polysemous. You would need to evaluate the situation and the sentence to understand exactly what it is referring to.

If I understand David's point correctly, he is saying that regardless of whether this makes sense narratively, you cannot support the calc. because the method used to obtain the magnitude is inflated or incorrect. Supporting it with narrative is, in effect, supporting a calculation with incorrect numbers just because it is similar to things in the past. Even if the author and animators had a different idea, they didn't represent it as they should have in order to represent their idea.

And I’m just telling y’all it’s not foreign for BC to use the word world to mean anything other than the planet. In the context of meteorites though it’s blatantly referring only to the Clover Kingdom. There's no "but fan calcs say so it's blah blah." The main plot of the movie >>> fan made calculations

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Yeah the argument that it's gonna wipe out all of the continents is just overly charitable with no basis whatsoever, it's the planetary whitebeard/planetary kurama shenanigans all over again

 

[Xinsignia1]

Dude this is no different from how the elves saw the people of the Clover Kingdom as a threat not just to their own country but to nature itself, so by killing them they were saving the "world."

This is very misleading and flat out incorrect, it's false equivalence. The elves intended to remove humans from the equation, not wipe everything clean down to the continental foundations, or even destroy the country like Conrad, who was insane. Even Patry's arrows of judgement was aimed at the populace. Conrad's target was specifically changed from "this country" to "the world" as he was desperate and rabid as he wanted to destroy the land itself.

He’s not actually talking about reforming or saving the whole continent or whole surface itself by destroying them. That’s literally not his plan at all. Just be ****** honest dude

Ima need you to pipe down and don’t try to lecture me about “dishonesty” while throwing out random accusations because I’d rather not have this thread devolve into incoherent rambling as we’re awaiting for final arguments and evaluation. Conrad’s initial plan was to wipe the country down to the continental foundations and he perceives this destruction as “salvation” which was reiterated multiple times, because he went batshit insane. He didn't snap back to his senses until he saw a photo of dead wife Lovilia's photo when it ripped away from his neck during his chaotic gestures when waa pushing the meteor. With that being said, we're awaiting the OP's final arguments/summaries I don't time for your antics and this is my first and last reply to you, don't quote me again because i'm just going to ignore you.

Yeah the argument that it's gonna wipe out all of the continents is just overly charitable with no basis whatsoever, it's the planetary whitebeard/planetary kurama shenanigans all over again

No basis whatsoever when his plan is to wipe everything clean including the people? There's nothing "overly" charitable especially when this is covered in the narration. Anyway, like I said we're, awaiting the final post.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

No basis whatsoever when his plan is to wipe everything clean including the people? There's nothing "overly" charitable especially when this is covered in the narration. Anyway, like I said we're, awaiting the final post.

Before I reply are you referring to the destruction of the clover kingdom continent who's calc david linked at the OP who's destruction was calc'd & it was no where near the 600 petaton value or every single land mass in the black clover planet to somewhat justify the meteor having a similar value despite the explicitly different geography?

just wanna make sure we are on the same page

 

[Worthless]

This is very misleading and flat out incorrect, it's false equivalence. The elves intended to remove humans from the equation, not wipe everything clean down to the continental foundations, or even destroy the country like Conrad, who was insane. Even Patry's arrows of judgement was aimed at the populace. Conrad's target was specifically changed from "this country" to "the world" as he was desperate and rabid as he wanted to destroy the land itself.

What you’re saying isn’t even correct because the imperial sword can’t actually wipe out the Clover Kingdom in a single attack which is what he was actually referring to when he said he was going to destroy the very foundation of the continent, not the meteor. And the crazy thing is the "destroying it at its very foundation" isn’t even referring to literal destruction Either you are deliberately lying or genuinely believe in your own bs.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

What you’re saying isn’t even correct because the imperial sword can’t actually wipe out the Clover Kingdom in a single attack which is what he was actually referring to when he said he was going to destroy the very foundation of the continent, not the meteor. And the crazy thing is the "destroying it at its very foundation" isn’t even referring to literal destruction Either you are deliberately lying or genuinely believe in your own bs.

Put scans before talking about bullshit, ty

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Put scans before talking about bullshit, ty

I think the scans he’s talking about are already in Insignia’s main post, he’s just showing a different interpretation of an already posted scan

At least that’s what it seems to me

 

[Arkenis]

For replacement we can just use this calculation for the destruction of the clover kingdom, as the meteor was said to be capable of doing so. That is unless the supporters find a better alternative for replacement

Weird this was not chosen as the better option firsthand.

 

[Worthless]

Put scans before talking about bullshit, ty

Destroying the foundation has ALWAYS referred to destroying the Clover Kingdom’s root society at its core and rebuilding the society. That was the MAIN plot of the movie. The same idea still applies in the context of the meteorite. It was never about completely annihilating the clover kingdom itself (which makes no sense and you FULLY KNOW WHY).

Not to mention, we’ve literally seen him use the same power he claimed would destroy the very foundation of the continent at 1:26:39 and yet it works over time, not in an instant or in a single attack. And please don’t say "What makes you think that power in that scene is what he’s referring to" when the colors of his form already says it all

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Weird this was not chosen as the better option firsthand.

Literally every 6-B character already scales from this or above it because Zagred>>>Demon Licht and to have a stronger character do the exact same "feat" and then downscale the characters is dumb and absurd, because that is not the intention of the movie

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That is better, ty for the scans and the better information

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Licht’s profile doesn’t even attempt to explain anything, it just slaps the calc and walks off without explaining why it destroys the kingdom all at once or wouldn’t be destroying the countries by making it uninhabitable / killing the population


Why are these profiles so poorly cited

 

[Xinsignia1]

What you’re saying isn’t even correct because the imperial sword can’t actually wipe out the Clover Kingdom in a single attack which is what he was actually referring to when he said he was going to destroy the very foundation of the continent, not the meteor. And the crazy thing is the "destroying it at its very foundation" isn’t even referring to literal destruction Either you are deliberately lying or genuinely believe in your own bs.

I don’t understand how someone could be so loud and wrong. The imperial sword absolutely has the capacity to destroy the county in one blow, the issue is an unrefined blast like that is omnidirectional and wouldn’t just affect the clover kingdom and if you knew anything about magic/spells in BC it’s defined as refined magic power. This was literally covered in the previous CRT that accepted it. The reason why he inserted imperial sword into the singular point at the edge of the country (demon skull) was because he’s using the mana veins of the country to refine and convey the effect of the gargantuan compound magic, which limits the destruction TO the Clover Kingdom and the sword has all the necessary energy to do so and this is shown and accepted in the previous CRT Arnold made. Initially Conrad wanted to literally and figuratively destroy the Clover Kingdom. These mental gymnastics of yours are bloating the thread which I’ve seen you do multiple times in the past with rants. And why are you quoting me again when I specifically asked you not to? Stop bloating the thread as we’re awaiting the final post.

Before I reply are you referring to the destruction of the clover kingdom continent who's calc david linked at the OP who's destruction was calc'd & it was no where near the 600 petaton value or every single land mass in the black clover planet to somewhat justify the meteor having a similar value despite the explicitly different geography?

just wanna make sure we are on the same page

The latter. FYI that calc needs to be done since it didn’t take into account that it was specifically stated that there will be nothing left after the attack which actually makes the Demon Licht destruction around 193 petatons. Lumiere also implied that even if he blocked the attack the country would still be destroyed from the recoil hence, hence why they opted to absorb the energy with the Swallowtail magic item they created rather than block it, so the full yield is even higher.

Furthermore:

Note: The Black Clover verse is currently very outdated, as the series is in its final arc and the supporters are waiting for the series to end before making further revisions.

So this thread shouldn’t even exist, especially when a majority of the posters in said thread aren’t even knowledgeable members of the verse or even follow the series.

Licht’s profile doesn’t even attempt to explain anything, it just slaps the calc and walks off without explaining why it destroys the kingdom all at once or wouldn’t be destroying the countries by making it uninhabitable / killing the population


Why are these profiles so poorly cited

See above comment.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Btw I will be posting the summary in the next 48 hours, I have just not had access to my pc recently so I couldn't.

Sorry for the wait

 

[DavidTPPM]

Okay I'm finally here. I'll try to keep this as concise as possible but honestly that's impossible given the absolutely insane Gish Gallop I'm addressing.

Rebuttal 1:​

It's eluding me why we're even treating the Dooms Gate meteor as a background celestial object in the first place when the "celestial objects" the OP references (like the sun and moon) are measured using cosmic distances and units (LD-Lunar Distance & AU- Astronomical Unit) and none of these objects are remotely in the earth’s atmosphere. The distance between a grain of sand in the Sahara Desert to the Karman line (the edge of space that marks the beginning of the earth's main atmosphere which is roughly 85-110 kilometers) is thousands of times closer than the distance from earth to the moon and even millions of times closer than the earth is to the sun. They're comparing background objects that are astronomically farther than Doom's Gate meteor to a NON-background object that's astronomically closer to the planet and falling within its atmosphere.

This is a misunderstanding of what the actual problem with the argument is. The issue is not that 149,597,870,700 kilometers is the exact distance after which angsizing magically becomes inaccurate while 149,597,870,699 kilometers is completely fine. The issue is, like I pointed out already, that animators and artists usually don't take these distances, whether it's the height of the atmosphere or the distance from the moon, instead inflating sizes for dramatic and stylistic effects.

On it's own even I don't think this is necessarily a defeater but it does make the reasoning weaker and given that angsizing is already something we acknowledge as much more prone to inaccuracies it really makes this the far less preferable option for measurements.

If the OP wanted to use a relevant and comparable example, they should have used Gremmy’s meteor, which also includes anime original scenes that are calc’d on this site and added to Bleach’s main profile.

This generally makes no sense. Like I already pointed out before, not only was Gremmy's meteor simply a 1:1 adaptation of the manga, but we've actually seen the same studio make meteors not ablate despite crossing the karman line. So Gremmy's meteor does NOT in any way prove that Studio Pierrot is somehow trying to scientifically portray the mechanics of ablation, while the Madara example instead proves they don't really care about scientific accuracy and just go for what's the coolest for the specific scene.

Rebuttal 2:​

Xinsignia right off the bat misunderstands the actual problem at hand despite me correcting him multiple times on it.

The OP argues that the scene in space where Asta slashes the meteor shows the true scaling and that all others are exaggerations. They insist that the scene they used to “debunk” the calc was the best scene to get the most accurate scale.

I am not insisting that there is a specific scene that shows the undeniable "true scaling" of the meteor. I am claiming that there's a scene that blatantly contradicts the angsized calculation through a far more accurate method of measurement - direct pixel scaling to an object of known size.

The meteor could be 500 kilometers in diameter and it could be 50 meters in diameter. The main point is that we have a far superior method of measurement which directly and heavily contradicts the angsized result.

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Spoiler

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The idea that these panels debunk the pixel scaled value is completely illogical because we do not see Asta in these panels.
Not only are Astas swords inside of the meteor in these panels, but both Asta and his swords are completely covered in his anti magic trail. We have no way of determining the glare you're trying to point towards is the full size of anything because it's completely covered in a black cloak of antimagic. It doesn't matter if the trail is only 1 meter wide or 5 kilometers wide, we wouldn't see Asta through it either way meaning this logically cannot serve as counter evidence to the scan used in the OP. And just because the glare of his sword is paritally visible through it does not mean it's full size is visible either. We have no way of determining how much of his sword is visible through the thick dark trail.

To put it simply, no matter what mental gymnastics we do, we have absolutely no way of determining how big the meteor is compared to Asta here because Astas body and swords are covered by the trail.

To make matters worse there is absolutely no reason for the trail left behind Astas body to be a kilometer wide when Astas body is only about 0.5 meter wide. As such the size of his trail compared to the meteor actually supports the idea the meteor is at least comparable to Asta and is absolutely not 160,000x wider than him.
We can actually use your own pixel scaling to determine the meteor is only about 35x wider than the trail left behind Asta

Spoiler: SEE CALC

So unless Asta leaves a nearly 5 kilometer wide trail behind his less than 0.5 meter wide body for absolutely no reason, this panel actually further weakens the idea the meteor is hundreds of kilometers wide and heavily supports the idea it's far smaller.

The official light novel supports the visuals we see in the movie:

According this except from the official light novel that was vetted through the official translation thread (courtesy of SeijiSetto) it was stated (and supported by the movie) that the Doom’s Gate door, the black hole it produced and the meteoroid that emerged from it were so large they could be seen from anywhere in entire kingdom

As many people have already pointed out in this thread, being visible across the kingdom does not prove it's over hundred kilometers wide.
Even a meteor less than 18 meters wide can be seen from across 1200 kilometers. And the Clover Kingdom is only a little over 1.5x bigger than that so it absolutely does NOT need to be anywhere near 160 kilometers to be seen.

Spoiler: SEE CALC 1

Calc2: From on top of the demon skull which is roughly 58.8 meters from the ground to the exosphere (699.941k) which yielded a diameter of 238.91 km

Spoiler: SEE CALC 2

Using angiszing when the main point of the thread is that angsizing is inconsistent in this scene is circular reasoning. It's trying to prove the validity of angsizing by using angsizing....

Meteors aren’t seen with the naked eye until they enter the atmosphere, because they’re literally a luminous phenomenon and defined by such. According to this article the Chelyabinsk meteor from 2013 wasn't even visible until to the naked eye until it entered the earth's atmosphere.

This is a misleading argument. Chalyabinsk meteor was not visible not because it lacked size but because it lacked lighting, and the moment it started burning it became visible across over 1000 kilometers.
Meanwhile the meteor in question here has a giant shining magic circle behind itself illuminating it directly.

So once again, just because an 18 meter meteor with no illumination wasn't visible does not mean a meteor with perfect illumination needs to be almost 1000x bigger to be visible.

Conrad’s original plan in the movie and even 10 years ago was to use the imperial sword to destroy the entire country down to its continental foundations and start anew, he believed that destroying everything then using the imperial sword to resurrect the dead souls he chose to revive can lead to a more ideal and fair world.

The fact he was only planning to destroy the country to it's continental foundation not only doesn't prove the meteor has to be big enough to cause High 6-A destruction but actually somewhat implies it's only intended to cause 6-B to 6-A destruction as Conrad actively wanted to use the destroyed country, so making the entire planet uninhabitable actually goes directly against his goals.

Conclusion:​

I fully agree with everything I said in the OP. The angisizing directly contradicts the far more accurate pixel scaling and none of the arguments brought up here do a good job at proving otherwise.

The only things I believe the discussion here proved is that a meteor absolutely does not need to be nearly as big as the angsizing suggest to be visible or do as much damage as it was intended to do within the narrative. As such the size of the meteor should simply be considered to be visually inconsistent and instead a far more in-universe accurate method for measuring the feat, that being using the meteors end goal - the kingdoms destruction, should be used.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Sorry this took so long but having to address a 17015 character long "summary" really consumed so much time I couldn't have possibly replied faster without sacrificing other stuff I'm working on

 

[DragoZeroNova]

I've been busy myself anyways so just lmk when your reply is ready as well @DavidTPPM and I'll ping other CGMS to look over both of your replies

Both summaries are out

Possible issues with Asta's Doom's gate calculation

That doesn't make sense; your suggestion is to ignore the consistency of the other scenes in favor of one with a better pixel scale. Not even remotely what I said

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Possible issues with Asta's Doom's gate calculation

😭😭 You should totally go evaluate my other CRT that's definitely going to speed me up here frfr

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[DavidTPPM]

Both summaries are out

Possible issues with Asta's Doom's gate calculation

That doesn't make sense; your suggestion is to ignore the consistency of the other scenes in favor of one with a better pixel scale. Not even remotely what I said

vsbattles.com

Possible issues with Asta's Doom's gate calculation

😭😭 You should totally go evaluate my other CRT that's definitely going to speed me up here frfr

vsbattles.com

Thank you, I completely forgot to tag

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Yeah David still makes the most sense, replacing the current method with one that makes the fewest extrapolated assumptions and directly reflects the attack’s explicitly stated capability leads to a far more accurate & grounded conclusion than calculating KE of something with vastly contradictory sizes, especially if the method for the "large size" ends are shown to aggressively inflate values in other examples

 

[Floxy178]

As such the size of the meteor should simply be considered to be visually inconsistent and instead a far more in-universe accurate method for measuring the feat, that being using the meteors end goal - the kingdoms destruction, should be used.

This option seems fine to me.

 

[Xinsignia1]

Question.. Just putting my thinking cap on for a second because it seems no one is addressing the obvious elephant in the room, so I’ll just say it. I just want to make sure I’m following what’s being suggested here, is that cool? So we are suggesting that Doom’s Gate, Conrad’s strongest spell (which uses forbidden magic and could only be combatted by a substantially amped version of anti-magic from post timeskip Black Asta + the imperial sword that absorbed magic from the magic knights all over the kingdom) and scales above the following:

1.Base Conrad that tanked post-timeskip Black Asta’s sword attack head on with minimal damage and just had a tiny cut on his shoulder (out of sheer respect for Asta, Conrad’s own words) which in a weaker form bisected someone who scaled above the Demon-Licht calc pre-timeskip despite the fact he (Conrad) already used a chunk of his life force from 10 years ago.​

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2. Fusion Rainbow Form Conrad (which is stronger than his base form) that had too much magic power for post timeskip Black Asta to nullify (as Asta himself points out)​

Would scale to pre-timeskip Black Asta who was able to nullify Lumiere’s magic despite the fact he absorbed Demon-Licht’s country busting attack into his body and was altered/amped by it? And Zagred who was split in half by pre-timeskip Black Asta's sword attack (that base Conrad tanked post timeskip) despite the fact he (Zagred) was comparable if not superior to Demon Licht’s calc, since Licht intentionally turned himself into a demon, just so Lumiere could fight a weaker enemy since Zagred was too much? So Doom's Gate, Conrad's strongest spell that required post timeskip Black Asta to be amped to high hell by Liebe and Kingdom, would scale to a weaker version of Asta that's pre-timeskip and much weaker than the post timeskip Asta that fought Conrad at the beginning of the movie, am I getting this right? Just a question, that's all.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Question.. Just putting my thinking cap on for a second because it seems no one is addressing the obvious elephant in the room, so I’ll just say it. I just want to make sure I’m following what’s being suggested here, is that cool? So we are suggesting that Doom’s Gate, Conrad’s strongest spell (which uses forbidden magic and could only be combatted by a substantially amped version of anti-magic from post timeskip Black Asta + the imperial sword that absorbed magic from the magic knights all over the kingdom) and scales above the following:

1.Base Conrad that tanked post-timeskip Black Asta’s sword attack with minimal damage and just had a tiny cut (out of sheet respect for Asta, Conrad’s own words) which in a weaker form bisected someone who scaled above the Demon-Licht calc pre-timeskip despite the fact he (Conrad) already used a chunk of his life force from 10 years ago.​

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2. Fusion Rainbow Form Conrad (which is stronger than his base form) that had too much magic power for post timeskip Black Asta to nullify (as Asta himself points out)​

Would scale to pre-timeskip Black Asta who was able to nullify Lumiere’s magic despite the fact he absorbed Demon-Licht’s country busting attack into his body and was altered/amped by it? And Zagred who was split in half by pre-timeskip Black Asta's sword attack despite the fact he was comparable if not superior to Demon Licht’s calc, since Licht intentionally turned himself into a demon, just so Lumiere could fight a weaker enemy since Zagred was too much? So Doom's Gate, Conrad's strongest spell that required post timeskip Black Asta to be amped to high hell by Liebe and Kingdom would scale to that, am I getting this right? Just a question, that's all.

This kinda shit happens a lot. In Bleach, almost every character scales to Post Bankai-training Shikai Ichigo (with some multipliers thrown in) even though he'd be one-tapped by a decent amount of them. In absence of a good solid feat, the largest accepted option is chosen and if that's the calc, I guess Conrad's attack would just be way higher in an unquantifiable way.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

Question.. Just putting my thinking cap on for a second because it seems no one is addressing the obvious elephant in the room, so I’ll just say it. I just want to make sure I’m following what’s being suggested here, is that cool? So we are suggesting that Doom’s Gate, Conrad’s strongest spell (which uses forbidden magic and could only be combatted by a substantially amped version of anti-magic from post timeskip Black Asta + the imperial sword that absorbed magic from the magic knights all over the kingdom) and scales above the following:

1.Base Conrad that tanked post-timeskip Black Asta’s sword attack head on with minimal damage and just had a tiny cut on his shoulder (out of sheer respect for Asta, Conrad’s own words) which in a weaker form bisected someone who scaled above the Demon-Licht calc pre-timeskip despite the fact he (Conrad) already used a chunk of his life force from 10 years ago.​

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2. Fusion Rainbow Form Conrad (which is stronger than his base form) that had too much magic power for post timeskip Black Asta to nullify (as Asta himself points out)​

Would scale to pre-timeskip Black Asta who was able to nullify Lumiere’s magic despite the fact he absorbed Demon-Licht’s country busting attack into his body and was altered/amped by it? And Zagred who was split in half by pre-timeskip Black Asta's sword attack (that base Conrad tanked post timeskip) despite the fact he (Zagred) was comparable if not superior to Demon Licht’s calc, since Licht intentionally turned himself into a demon, just so Lumiere could fight a weaker enemy since Zagred was too much? So Doom's Gate, Conrad's strongest spell that required post timeskip Black Asta to be amped to high hell by Liebe and Kingdom, would scale to a weaker version of Asta that's pre-timeskip and much weaker than the post timeskip Asta that fought Conrad at the beginning of the movie, am I getting this right? Just a question, that's all.

Simple answer, licht scaling the country bust calc is invalid and should be removed

But even if I pretend it’s explicitly stated to destroy things in one attack, that wouldn’t add any additional credence to the highballed versions of the calculation, these ends are entirely based on what’s the most grounded and math accurate, not what makes inverse scaling chains look aesthetically appealing, they have zero correlation entirely

If you bust planets then and then bust planets after getting 100x stronger but the feat implications don’t support the highballed calculations you just straight up won’t get it

 

[Xinsignia1]

FYI @DavidTPPM i'm waiting for the other staff to evaluate the conclusions since that's what we agreed on. After that i'll post my response to you and the others.

But I just want you to be aware that neither Madara's first Tengai Shinsei or second Tengai Shinsei were show to ablate/ignite in the anime since they were both a "1:1 adaption of the manga". So that has nothing to do with the animation studio but rather how Kishimoto drew it. However, the meteor Studio Pierrot did originally draw and animate was show to ablate from Naruto the Last movie when it crossed the karma line.

But like I said i'll wait to reply to you and the others fully once/after the staff evaluates our "conclusions".

 

[DavidTPPM]

FYI @DavidTPPM i'm waiting for the other staff to evaluate the conclusions since that's what we agreed on. After that i'll post my response to you and the others.

But I just want you to be aware that neither Madara's first Tengai Shinsei or second Tengai Shinsei were show to ablate/ignite in the anime since they were both a "1:1 adaption of the manga". So that has nothing to do with the animation studio

That's exactly what happened with the Gremmy meteor. You're again not actually understanding the point I'm making.

The point is that it's up to THE AUTHOR how a meteor is going to be portrayed. The studio doesn't have a dedicated scientific team that fact checks the meteor mechanics and instead they just go with what the author thinks is the coolest way to show it.

But like I said i'll wait to reply to you and the others fully once/after the staff evaluates our "conclusions".

I agree.

 

[Dalesean027]

Both summaries are out

Possible issues with Asta's Doom's gate calculation

That doesn't make sense; your suggestion is to ignore the consistency of the other scenes in favor of one with a better pixel scale. Not even remotely what I said

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Possible issues with Asta's Doom's gate calculation

😭😭 You should totally go evaluate my other CRT that's definitely going to speed me up here frfr

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Okay I shall look when im off work

 

[DavidTPPM]

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Little bump in case this was forgotten

 

[Mommyleona]

BUMP

 

[Damage3245]

I've read through both summary posts now and I think that ultimately I think that David makes the most sense. Pixelscaling is a generally more reliable method than angsizing, and the supporting images that have been posted don't seem to work as David is right that we cannot see Asta clearly enough in those images.

 

[Dalesean027]

Little bump in case this was forgotten

Sorry ended up busy with stuff I'll try to look soon enough

 

[Mommyleona]

bump just in case

 

[DavidTPPM]

Sorry ended up busy with stuff I'll try to look soon enough

Hi, should we wait for your evaluation or is it okay if we proceed without it?

 

[Dalesean027]

Hi, should we wait for your evaluation or is it okay if we proceed without it?

yeah probably continue without me, I've only really had time to fully read one of the completed rebuttals and have generally been busy elsewhere and especially with irl stuffs so apologies I thought I'd be able to do this in a more timely manner but I don't wanna hold the thread up

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

yeah probably continue without me, I've only really had time to fully read one of the completed rebuttals and have generally been busy elsewhere and especially with irl stuffs so apologies I thought I'd be able to do this in a more timely manner but I don't wanna hold the thread up

We can wait, is not like Black Clover manga is ending tomorrow to do the changes


So take your time, is what I am doing myself

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

yeah probably continue without me, I've only really had time to fully read one of the completed rebuttals and have generally been busy elsewhere and especially with irl stuffs so apologies I thought I'd be able to do this in a more timely manner but I don't wanna hold the thread up

Hi, gentle reminder if you got some free time now, David’s post is pretty short compared to insignia’s

 

[MANOFGOD7]

Issue 1​

In Floxy's Thread we determined ang sizing shots of things in space is inconsistent and gives inaccurate results, especially applying for this case as both BC and Bleach were done by the same studio. These shots are usually made for dramatic effects and style rather than to showcase the actual size of an object. We can notice a trend from these calculations is that in ang sizing, using diameter to gauge distance from pov results in a value orders of magnitude less than what the true size would be (deflation basically), so if we flipt the script like in the BC calc which does the opposite (using distance from POV to find diameter) the reverse ends up happening and instead of deflation we are met with an inflated value far beyond what it should logically be.

As such I believe using ang sizing to find the size of an object is generally too inconsistent to be used.

OKAYYYYYYYY

I understand and agree with you though, angsizing is not too reliable. But I was expecting you to back up your claim with another angsizing shot of the meteor that could prove the problem you are talking about, because the said distance from POV of the meteor in the image used is very strong and can hardly be put down. But ah well........

Issue 2​

The calculated diameter is around 160 km but up close the value is completely contradicted, we can tell just by looking that this is nowhere near 100 km due to how comparable and visible asta is to the meteor (this link will take you to the actual 2 minute scene of him cutting the large rock). When pixel scaled the result actually comes out as little as a little over 100 meters. Now this might be dismissed to be a case where a character is only visible for the watcher so we know where the character is, rather than to show the size of an object but I don't believe this is the case here. Unlike situations like those where the argument would actually be invalid, here Asta (or rather his swords and wings) is VERY large, nowhere near the small speck that he should be if they just wanted to show his location. One might also defend it saying it is a perspective shot but that is not the case because with perspective shots things of the same size extending away from the POV shrink in pixel count. And we see Astas sword remains essentially identical throughout so we can safely say the visible size isn't messed up by perspective.

This leads me to believe this scene should very much work as a good representation of the meteors size, making it over 1000x smaller than what the angsizing end suggests. It's more direct and uses a more reliable method for measurement than what the current calc does.

I have problems with your pixel scale here. There is also no way this thing should have been a little over 100m in size. Most shots of the thing say otherwise. It makes this scene still interpretable that they wanted to show Asta's actions.

But overall,I still agree with you that the angsizing is faulty and therefore the calc is faulty.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

I agree with david