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Bleach: Reiokyu-Seiretei distance problem

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Here's current calculation. It finds distance from Reiokyu to the Sun via angsizing and subtracts it from Seiretei-Sun distance.

Problem 1
Most obvious problem is that while calculation treats SKP being 20+ times being closer to the Sun than Earth, it's still bound by Earth gravity, not Sun.

We know that things that fall from Reiokyu end up in Seiretei (tybw ep8, walls fall at chapter 71). We also know that there's a staircase that links them and you can travel to Reiokyu by that, which will also require being bounded by Earth gravity.

In conclusion, SKP needs to be at least in planet's gravitational domain.

Problem 2
While it seems that distance is consistent, it's only because all of shots result distance which is small fraction of whole Earth-Sun distance, thus making differences look negligible in the end while by themselves they have around 30x difference between low end and high end. Such difference shows inconsistency.

Ang Sizing Moon and Sun Shots from TYBW Episode 1 consistently show massively incorrect results with none of them reflecting the irl distance of these celestial bodies from Earth (6x-20x closer and upto 130x)

Most Distances consistently show the celestial body to be 10x closer than their actual irl distance which is a massive contradiction. It’s not drawn to scale nor intended by the artist and as such making a claim of this magnitude demands a far bigger preponderance of evidence that hasn’t been remotely met.

Same with Reiokyu case, it’s shown super close in one shot but goes 30x far away in another showing so it’s not consistent, which means in both instances the shots where they are super up close are really just an aesthetic thing rather than intended distance showcasing.

And it's not just about irl values, sizes of celestial bodies changing from negligible distance difference within same scene further proves this point.

Problem 3
With such distance, no shinigami would be able to traverse to and from as they can't breathe there. Because most of distance(>99%) is basically outer space, and it would be impossible for shinigami to survive for 1 week without air.

Agree: @Damage3245 @SunDaGamer
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Neutral:
 
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I always found the original cal to be very “generous” in their use of celestial bodies to find distance, when there was no effort of establishing why they should be used in the first place. Authors often times don’t accurately portray the size celestial bodies in their backgrounds and tend to use them in symbolic or visually appealing ways rather than being scientifically accurate. Moreover, Floxy also brings up a good point regarding gravity which should not behave anything like the soul society if the original distance is anything to go by.

All in all I agree with the premise of this CRT, good work Floxy.
 
Doing calcs like this has always been problematic. If you do it for dragonball you will get a result for the moon being only a few kilometers wide. I don't understand why we're even entertaining them to be honest with you.

Furthermore inverse it is considered to be travelable by shunpo in a week. By characters that really don't have very good travel speed feats. It doesn't make sense for it to be so incredibly far away.
 
I never understood the distance being that far away because the SK palace was never framed as being a off world location. Add the fact that we see the soul society n the background.

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I thought we stopped ang-sizing celestial objects within Earth to get distances ages ago
I think so, that's why we are cleaning out the old ones that do make use of these methods.

Do I take it you're okay with the OP?
 
Don't really care for Bleach, less I put battleboarding input on it the better
 
Don't really care for Bleach, less I put battleboarding input on it the better
Understood, thanks for commenting.

Any ideas who might be willing to give an evaluation for Bleach?
 
I never understood the distance being that far away because the SK palace was never framed as being a off world location. Add the fact that we see the soul society n the background.

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In addition to Damage's comment, the TYBW anime is accepted as the primary canon, not the TYBW manga which is considered secondary canon.

Those buildings underneath the castles (which in the manga is presumably meant to be part of the royal palace entrance) do not exist in the anime.

Moreover, if they were (Edit: part of the Seireitei), then the distance between the Seireitei and the royal palace would be so small we should be seeing the entrance in all large shots of the Seireitei such as the canonball scene in the Soul Society arc. In fact, I think Ichigo and friends would've been close to hitting one of Squad Zero's castles or even the Soul King if it was that close (Soul King dies by Flower Crane Cannon?).

That's all I have to say about this, the distance is supposed to be really, really far away. Now, idk if 143,614,400 km (is that the number?) is correct, but just based off the Flower Crane Cannon shooting Squad Zero and Ichigo really far, it's definitely supposed to be thousands of km away. Depending on how you interpret Tenjiro's statement on 'the average shinigami', it could be much, much further.

With that said, I don't think I personally can prove the Royal Palace is over a hundred million KM away so I won't, I'll leave that to others to either prove or disprove.
 
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it's not very helpful when a dead thread that needs cgms has a cgm in it that comments that the method of calcuation is not accepted anymore and because of that it's flawed but will not actually give a vote nor help the OP gather CGMs who may be willing to help in this regard.

Nobody's asking for you to rework or recalc for the verse, all we need is an acknowledgement that the method is flawed.

We (as in the whole wiki) are already at an all time low when it comes to CGM involvement in damn near every facet of the wiki (anime verses aside). If we cannot even get CGMs to evaluate whether methods of calculations are even acceptable within the wiki or not, it helps quite literally nobody and just propagates the issue of CGM involvement in necessary threads.
 
Bump. I hope this thread won't end up in my collection of "needs last evaluation". 😭
 
I was never a fan of angsizing celestial bodies up in the sky for all the issues already posted above and people have brought up in-verse problems with the distance between the Reiokyu and Sereitei being 0.96 astronomical units so yeah, I agree the calc shouldn't be in use
 
This thread is done and already applied, so it might be best if you made a new thread if you wanted to re-instate the previous calculation.

What do you think @Floxy178 Do you want this thread kept open?
 
This thread is done and already applied, so it might be best if you made a new thread if you wanted to re-instate the previous calculation.

What do you think @Floxy178 Do you want this thread kept open?
Considering it's already accepted and applied I'd prefer it being handled in different thread if someone's willing to do so.
 
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