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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

I was thinking about a new scale, based on the anime Belmold (cowardly clown), where Dragon Ball Super Super Heroes mentions that Jiren is on the same level as Goku and Jiren in terms of power. This is confirmed by Whis. The only difference between Goku and Jiren was that Jiren's ki was more refined. Do you agree with using the cowardly clown as a scale for Goku and company?
 
ThiboGaleotti said:
On par means being able to fight
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On par by itself just means comparable to or equal, which is obviously not the case for a lot of these characters.
ThiboGaleotti said:
Jiren can fight peoples like current Goku and Vegeta
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The points as to why he could were already refuted before.
ThiboGaleotti said:
Frieza can be the only exception (bc he one shotted everyone). The main point is that Jiren is still comparable to the top (mortals)
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How come Frieza gets to be an exception because of his previous scaling contradicting but not Jiren? There's also Moro who is far inferior to the current cast by miles.
ThiboGaleotti said:
I'll finish by this : "Because of the many grammatical and spelling mistakes and how incoherent it feels in certain areas. The current justifications are simple but they are at least coherent and get the point across."

Really, no. You can't say that anyway when you admitted the most of the points. The only problem in Vegeta's statement is Frieza. The rest is true, basically.
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1. What I said here specifically was about how your justifications were formatted and communicated, not how reliable it is. And second I did not admit all of your points at all except for Gowasu's Goku Black statement and Jiren's anime scaling??? You also bring up the Vegeta statement here again when it literally has nothing to do with that.
Agnaa said:
fwiw I am willing to fix up any grammar issues in this case, if the information ends up being good.
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These changes also impacts Jiren's statistical values (currently >11,059,200,000,000,000c to >282,229,111,000,000,000c) it needs to be a CRT.
 
supertomioka said:
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first of all, this is months ago, second of all, don't you notice the level of incosistency that is for them to still be on the ******* moon even after it got blown up?also they should not even be alive at all, they were not wished to be revived...ever.
 
Alexander said:
Soccer show with superpowers about four kids going into a multiversal tournament to save their dimension from a interdimensional empire who enslaves the multiverse...it is pg 7+ and it was transmitted on Cartoon Network in 2013
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I literally could never have guessed that lmao
 
Ednaxel2 said:
On par by itself just means comparable to or equal, which is obviously not the case for a lot of these characters.

The points as to why he could were already refuted before.

How come Frieza gets to be an exception because of his previous scaling contradicting but not Jiren? There's also Moro who is far inferior to the current cast by miles.

1. What I said here specifically was about how your justifications were formatted and communicated, not how reliable it is. And second I did not admit all of your points at all except for Gowasu's Goku Black statement and Jiren's anime scaling??? You also bring up the Vegeta statement here again when it literally has nothing to do with that.

These changes also impacts Jiren's statistical values (currently >11,059,200,000,000,000c to >282,229,111,000,000,000c) it needs to be a CRT.
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Angel Moro was comparable to UI Goku at the end, y'know? The only issue was his power control. I'll repeait again, but this is VEGETA statement : WE (goku and him) are physically comparable to Jiren, Broly, Moro, Gas and Frieza. This is cannon. The only problem in Vegeta's statement is Frieza because he one shotted everyone, but the rest could fight with Goku Mastered Ultra Instinct, whic h is Goku's current strongest form according to Beerus and Whis.
 
Vegeta was talking about the that time situation, not his current powers. During the ToP, Jiren was close in strength to Vegeta and Goku, but he had the upper hand thanks to his relaxed state. Vegeta was talking about the power they had when they fight, not his current strength. We don't know about the current Jiren, but if Superhero Arc Krillin farts, ToP Jiren will disintegrate into atoms
 
KaramcaS said:
Vegeta was talking about the that time situation, not his current powers. During the ToP, Jiren was close in strength to Vegeta and Goku, but he had the upper hand thanks to his relaxed state. Vegeta was talking about the power they had when they fight, not his current strength. We don't know about the current Jiren, but if Superhero Arc Krillin farts, ToP Jiren will disintegrate into atoms
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In the movie only. In the manga, he PRECISE physically strength. That THEY (Goku and Vegeta) are PHYSICALLY on par with Jiren & Co. We need to stop distorting what was said.
 
ThiboGaleotti said:
In the movie only. In the manga, he PRECISE physically strength. That THEY (Goku and Vegeta) are PHYSICALLY on par with Jiren & Co. We need to stop distorting what was said.
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do you have the manga scan on hand
 
noninho said:
1,989x advantage for Goku against Goku.
APwise things should go pretty smoothly and i'll start research in other areas to see if this matchmake is possible.
Super Goku will be called S and GT Goku will be called GT, cuz i'm lazy.
  • Speed
    • Equalization is necessary cuz GT has infinite speed going on.
  • LS
    • S has a feat that speaks about Billions of metric tons, Class T. GT has a feat that speaks about Trillions of metric tons. Yeah i know the buffs scale to every stat and etc, but do we have anything to tell us that the diff goes below ~1000x? This shouldn't make the match impossible because of something i will comment on in a bit, but quite weird in the beginning, yeah
  • SS and Durability
    • Scale to AP, nothing to see here
  • Stamina
    • Both have short-period incredible stamina, would say equally so. In the long-term, S is speaking about a ton of resilience and regen/pain enduring (stuff GT has a lot too) while GT speaks about minimizing Ki Drain with the tail and SSJ4 being a particularly energy-efficient (Vs. S being able to use SSJ3 more efficiently. That seems like quite a bit of advantage)

      S and GT both overcame stamina issues while use forms that, generally speaking, burn a ton of energy, so let's say that they're equals here
  • Intelligence
    • Both are impressive, but the wall of text being barely twice as long for GT (mf, 5283 characters vs 2647, and that's not counting spaces! I highly doubt whoever wrote it has dedicated 1% of the effort for any school/college essays) indicates to me that he's likely going to outsmart S somewhere in the fight!

      Apparently S is slightly above here, good advantage for him
That leaves us with GT being barely 2x as strong, ~1000x more LS, while possibly a gap in Intelligence is in favor of S. Why proceed?

Low-Mid Healing, Regen, Ressurection and Zenkai! S is not easy to kill even in those conditions, and having those tools make him waaaaaay harder to kill

Speaking of killing, the way i see it, seems to me like anyone of them can kill each other lol
See, S can ressurect and no limit for it is apparent, and GT has 4 or 5 types of Immortality + Low-Godly regen

Anyone opposing that this would likely turn out as an incon? Or thinking that any side wins?
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applied corrections. Anyone thinking making the match would make it stomp-ish?
 
ThiboGaleotti said:
we should just no take all feats in gag/comedy moments
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Every character with Toon Force has all gag feats taken in account. All toons have their justifications beyond tier 9 because of gags. Goku should not be different
ThiboGaleotti said:
(anyway he traveled via nyobon, so that's not a speed feat. Rather a "range" feat for his nyobon)
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It should still scale to nyobon's attack speed, since it can expand fast enough to reach the Moon and come back in seconds.
 
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