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UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

Ti58 said:
Fun gang can kill Titan Spawns with 300 DF

Gerson with DualBuster also does the same damage as Susie with DualBuster.
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After like 10 turns of non-stop attacking.

That can be attributed to the SOUL amping Susie more than Gerson. Her being suddenly stronger than Gerson would make no sense given she was doing like 18 damage to the Titan's Shield not even a few seconds ago.
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
After like 10 turns of non-stop attacking.
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Around 5 turns, or 12 hits from stronger members. Since attacking 800 DF Titan inflicts much less damage, but not 300 DF Spawn, I would say we should scale Gang to 300 DF, and Gerson to 800 DF.

Eden_Warlock99 said:
That can be attributed to the SOUL amping Susie more than Gerson.
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Ti58 said:
Gerson with DualBuster also does the same damage as Susie with DualBuster.
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By themselves Gang is much weaker than Gerson. But with Soul Amp, we can output damage equal to Gerson. I would say Red Buster(Soul amped Rude buster, which isn't accessible in Titan fight, and would be too costly anyways) should scale to Gerson and Titan
 
Eden_Warlock99 said:
After like 10 turns of non-stop attacking.

That can be attributed to the SOUL amping Susie more than Gerson. Her being suddenly stronger than Gerson would make no sense given she was doing like 18 damage to the Titan's Shield not even a few seconds ago.
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I'm aware, I just don't think the gap is too high. Btw, DualBuster does the same damage to the shield as to the weak point.
 
Ti58 said:
Btw, DualBuster does the same damage to the shield as to the weak point.
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Coupled with it oneshotting 800DF shield, I think argument can be made that DualBuster scales much higher than Titan. It doing same damage to shielded and unshielded Titan is analogous to 8-A doing same damage to 8-B and 8-C(oneshotting)
 
Qurbonboev said:
Coupled with it oneshotting 800DF shield, I think argument can be made that DualBuster scales much higher than Titan. It doing same damage to shielded and unshielded Titan is analogous to 8-A doing same damage to 8-B and 8-C(oneshotting)
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Doesn't actually one-shot. However it does deal like 4000 damage, which is a lot.
 
Edutyn said:
Accepted
Need Evaluation
AP:

Tenna GBE: 418.156885 Kilojoules (Wall Level)
Lanino heats things up: 0.00391 Tons of TNT per second (9-B+)
Shadowguys bullets KE: 0.00122144028017378095 Tons of TNT to 0.00400845029720960783 Tons of TNT (Wall Level)
Elnina cools things down: 0,005581767 Tons per/s (9-B+)
Golden Tenna KE: 0,318222328 Tons (Building Level)
Gerson throws is hammer: 0,012163351 Tons (Small Building Level)
1 Gerson Final Attack: From 0,590283618 Tons of TNT (Building Level)
The watercooler shows no mercy: 0,886674051 Tons of TNT (Building Level)
Elnina creates ice crystals - 1.11 Tons of TNT (Building level)
HolywaterCooler showns no mercy: 2,614663133 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)
Wicabel's Bell: 2.82 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)
Tenna weather report: 7,280557683 Tons (Large Building Level+)
Kris Protects Susie: 0.189110807 Tons of TNT (Small Building Level) to 48.62431403 Tons of TNT (City Block Level)
Tenna faster than electricity: 48,927416587 Tons of TNT (City Block Level)
Titan PE: 434,452939771 Tons of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
The Justice is made of Sound: 21.19167596 Tons of TNT (City Block) to 5448.819777 Tons of TNT (Small Town)



Speed:
Susie Runs Fast: 102.012289855 m/s, or Subsonic
Gerson throws is hammer: 165.876543m/s Subsonic
Tenna Speed: 222.409710925m/s (Subsonic+)
Vs Bullets: 259.35m/s or Mach 0.75 (Subsonic)
"HERE I COME, PIZZARINA!!!": 329.511717792 m/s or Mach 0.96 (Transonic)
Gerson says no to items: Mach 0.98658055156 (Subsonic+/Transonic)
Kris shares their Chocolate Milk with the Player :): 548.546370967741935 m/s or Mach 1.6 (Supersonic)
Gerson Final Attack: Mach 3.36895023149 (Supersonic+)
Pippins Feat: 1813.63636m/s or Mach 5.28756956 (Hypersonic)
Wicabel's Bell: 3312m/s or Mach 9.65597668 (Hypersonic)
Kris Protects Susie: Mach 2.0625 (Supersonic) to Mach 33.07215743 (High Hypersonic)
The Justice is made of Sound: Mach 34.82280924 (High Hypersonic) to Mach 558.3832385 (Massively Hypersonic)
Tenna faster than electricity: Mach 49.8010927 (High Hypersonic)
Vs Lightning 1: 537777.777778m/s or Mach 1567.86524133 (Massively Hypersonic+)
Tenna's Lightning Attack: Mach 2092.98757097 (Massively Hypersonic+) to Mach 6954.11999386 (Massively Hypersonic+)
Jackenstein and Soul: 29% SoL (Relativistic)
Smash Cut: 111200m/s or Mach 324.198250729 (Massively Hypersonic) to 88000000m/s or 0.29353640377c (Relativistic)
Shocking Laser Dodge: 43.75% SoL, which is Relativistic
Jackenstein and light: 2.47c(FTL)

LS:
Shadowguys bullets KE: 1.38419372003 Tons to 4.54256488714 Tons (Class 5)
Gerson throws is hammer: 695.227211 Tons (Class K)
Kris Protects Susie: 223.6917375Tons (Class K) to 3586.89375Tons (Class M)
Gerson Final Attack: 13208.6694 Tons (Class M)?
Wicabel's Bell: 484400 tons (Class M)
The Justice is made of Sound: 2262111 tons (Class G) to 581635602 tons(Class G)

Range:

Tenna TP Range: 770.857347593m (Hundreds of Meters)

Bonus:
Thrash Explosion: 0.30 Tons of TNT (Building level) -
Kris dodge missiles: 119.158690176m/s to 155.780856423 m/s (Subsonic)
Power Of Spamton: 0.15 Tons (Small Building Level) | 144.658064516m/s (Subsonic)
Chaos, Bigger Chaos!: 1.00628884824 tons (Building level)
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Updated
 
Edutyn said:
I thought it wasn't usable for the same reasons as Knight Knight's sun?
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Did some CGM told you this, or it's just what you thought? I would prefer direct words of CGM, that calc is unusable
 
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Edutyn said:
Gerson's profile is done, I think. Credits and thanks to Floweguy1 and LittleGuy99. Should I add anything else or can I publish it now?
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Immortality (Type 1; As a Darkner who represents some kind of object in the Light World, he cannot die from age)
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calling Gerson's dust an object seems kinda disrespecful
 
Breaking the Fourth Wall (Combat-Applicable: He can take away Susie's inventory and prevent her from using it.
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Not actually a 4th wall break

Speed should probably be "at least fun gang, likely far higher" as he's shown to be far faster than Susie
 
Edutyn said:
Gerson's profile is done, I think. Credits and thanks to Floweguy1 and LittleGuy99. Should I add anything else or can I publish it now?
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Seems good enough. Him having analytical prediction is very good surprise, ngl. If we forgot something, we would add afterwards. Just remove part of taking away Susie items in 4th wall breaks, it's just speedblitz.

Only problem I see that he doesn't not very good. He probably needs calcium, huge amount of it. Do you per chance knows anyone with high amount of it?😉
 
And so we have our second/third character to have a profile in both Deltarune and Undertale. Will there be other characters who have two profiles too? I mean, Asgore is practically confirmed, Asriel highly likely, Toriel maybe... Sans, who knows? I think he has enough narrative weight to end up having two profiles, Papyrus possibly too... Anyone else?
 
EnderLord8 said:
And so we have our second/third character to have a profile in both Deltarune and Undertale. Will there be other characters who have two profiles too? I mean, Asgore is practically confirmed, Asriel highly likely, Toriel maybe... Sans, who knows? I think he has enough narrative weight to end up having two profiles, Papyrus possibly too... Anyone else?
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Possibly Alphys since she is close to Asgore in some way, it may be that at the festival she enters the next Dark World
 
EnderLord8 said:
And so we have our second/third character to have a profile in both Deltarune and Undertale. Will there be other characters who have two profiles too? I mean, Asgore is practically confirmed, Asriel highly likely, Toriel maybe... Sans, who knows? I think he has enough narrative weight to end up having two profiles, Papyrus possibly too... Anyone else?
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Third?
 
Edutyn said:
vsbattles.com

The Hammer vs The Blade - Gerson vs The Roaring Kinght

Rules Card: Fight takes place in a Gerson's Study Both are in-character. Speed is not equalized. Starting distance is 10 meters. Votes: But ain't every story better with a little twist?: The Roaring Knight appeared: Incon:
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
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Btw, there is a problem with your Titan size calc. Free fall calculator that you use doesn't account for fact that objects have terminal velocity, instead it assumes that objects would continue to gain speed with same acceleration.
Realistically, Susie and Kris with their position (stable, head down) would achieve terminal velocity of around 240-290 km/h(around 70m/s). It would take around 7 second to achieve this speed, and during this they would cover distance of a*(t^2)/2=10*(7^2)/2=245 meters, and remaining 22-7=15 seconds, they would cover distance of 15*70=1050 meters, 1295m in total. It would downgrade feat from 430 tons to roughly 130 tons.
You should probably write new calculations under new one as edit, and ask CGM who accepted calc to evaluate changes
 
Qurbonboev said:
Btw, there is a problem with your Titan size calc. Free fall calculator that you use doesn't account for fact that objects have terminal velocity, instead it assumes that objects would continue to gain speed with same acceleration.
Realistically, Susie and Kris with their position (stable, head down) would achieve terminal velocity of around 240-290 km/h(around 70m/s). It would take around 7 second to achieve this speed, and during this they would cover distance of a*(t^2)/2=10*(7^2)/2=245 meters, and remaining 22-7=15 seconds, they would cover distance of 15*70=1050 meters, 1295m in total. It would downgrade feat from 430 tons to roughly 130 tons.
You should probably write new calculations under new one as edit, and ask CGM who accepted calc to evaluate changes
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You'd also need a different terminal velocity to account for the fact that the Titan has darkness inside it
 
Edutyn said:
vsbattles.com

The Hammer vs The Blade - Gerson vs The Roaring Kinght

Rules Card: Fight takes place in a Gerson's Study Both are in-character. Speed is not equalized. Starting distance is 10 meters. Votes: But ain't every story better with a little twist?: The Roaring Knight appeared: Incon:
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com
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Don't want to bother you again, but you took my advice a bit too literally.
There is terminal velocity(U) they can achieve in the air, you used 73.3m/s instead of my 70m/s, but it doesn't matter too much. Then you should divide this value by 9.8(gravitational acceleration) to find time(lets call it t1) duo spends accelerating(it will around 7 second). Use 0.5*a*(t1^2) to find distance it covered during acceleration. Then substract t1 from 22 seconds(total time) and multiply this value to U(terminal velocity) to find distance it covered during this time. It pretty rough method, but there is no better one.
Ti58 said:
You'd also need a different terminal velocity to account for the fact that the Titan has darkness inside it
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Most of Titan insides is hollow
 
Qurbonboev said:
Don't want to bother you again, but you took my advice a bit too literally.
There is terminal velocity(U) they can achieve in the air, you used 73.3m/s instead of my 70m/s, but it doesn't matter too much. Then you should divide this value by 9.8(gravitational acceleration) to find time(lets call it t1) duo spends accelerating(it will around 7 second). Use 0.5*a*(t1^2) to find distance it covered during acceleration. Then substract t1 from 22 seconds(total time) and multiply this value to U(terminal velocity) to find distance it covered during this time. It pretty rough method, but there is no better one.
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Fixed
 
Edutyn said:
Accepted
Need Evaluation
AP:

Tenna GBE: 418.156885 Kilojoules (Wall Level)
Lanino heats things up: 0.00391 Tons of TNT per second (9-B+)
Shadowguys bullets KE: 0.00122144028017378095 Tons of TNT to 0.00400845029720960783 Tons of TNT (Wall Level)
Elnina cools things down: 0,005581767 Tons per/s (9-B+)
Golden Tenna KE: 0.03184029046940726 Tons (Small Building level)
Gerson throws is hammer: 0,012163351 Tons (Small Building Level)
1 Gerson Final Attack: From 0,590283618 Tons of TNT (Building Level)
The watercooler shows no mercy: 0,886674051 Tons of TNT (Building Level)
Elnina creates ice crystals - 1.11 Tons of TNT (Building level)
HolywaterCooler showns no mercy: 2,614663133 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)
Wicabel's Bell: 2.82 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)
Tenna weather report: 7,280557683 Tons (Large Building Level+)
Kris Protects Susie: 0.189110807 Tons of TNT (Small Building Level) to 48.62431403 Tons of TNT (City Block Level)
Tenna faster than electricity: 48,927416587 Tons of TNT (City Block Level)
Titan PE: 434,452939771 Tons of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
The Justice is made of Sound: 21.19167596 Tons of TNT (City Block) to 5448.819777 Tons of TNT (Small Town)



Speed:
Tenna Speed: 66.7229132776 m/s
Susie Runs Fast: 102.012289855 m/s, or Subsonic
Gerson throws is hammer: 165.876543m/s Subsonic
Vs Bullets: 259.35m/s or Mach 0.75 (Subsonic)
"HERE I COME, PIZZARINA!!!": 329.511717792 m/s or Mach 0.96 (Transonic)
Gerson says no to items: Mach 0.98658055156 (Subsonic+/Transonic)
Kris shares their Chocolate Milk with the Player :): 548.546370967741935 m/s or Mach 1.6 (Supersonic)
Gerson Final Attack: Mach 3.36895023149 (Supersonic+)
Pippins Feat: 1813.63636m/s or Mach 5.28756956 (Hypersonic)
Wicabel's Bell: 3842m/s or Mach 11.2 (Hypersonic+)
Kris Protects Susie: Mach 2.0625 (Supersonic) to Mach 33.07215743 (High Hypersonic)
The Justice is made of Sound: Mach 34.82280924 (High Hypersonic) to Mach 558.3832385 (Massively Hypersonic)
Tenna faster than electricity: Mach 49.8010927 (High Hypersonic)
Vs Lightning 1: 537777.777778m/s or Mach 1567.86524133 (Massively Hypersonic+)
Tenna's Lightning Attack: Mach 2092.98757097 (Massively Hypersonic+) to Mach 6954.11999386 (Massively Hypersonic+)
Jackenstein and Soul: 29% SoL (Relativistic)
Smash Cut: 111200m/s or Mach 324.198250729 (Massively Hypersonic) to 88000000m/s or 0.29353640377c (Relativistic)
Shocking Laser Dodge: 43.75% SoL, which is Relativistic
Jackenstein and light: 2.47c(FTL)

LS:
Shadowguys bullets KE: 1.38419372003 Tons to 4.54256488714 Tons (Class 5)
Gerson throws is hammer: 695.227211 Tons (Class K)
Kris Protects Susie: 223.6917375Tons (Class K) to 3586.89375Tons (Class M)
Gerson Final Attack: 13208.6694 Tons (Class M)?
Wicabel's Bell: 484400 tons (Class M)
The Justice is made of Sound: 2262111 tons (Class G) to 581635602 tons(Class G)

Range:

Tenna TP Range: 770.857347593m (Hundreds of Meters)

Bonus:
Thrash Explosion: 0.30 Tons of TNT (Building level) -
Kris dodge missiles: 119.158690176m/s to 155.780856423 m/s (Subsonic)
Power Of Spamton: 0.15 Tons (Small Building Level) | 144.658064516m/s (Subsonic)
Chaos, Bigger Chaos!: 1.00628884824 tons (Building level)
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What’s the plan when it comes to updating the stats with all the Chapter 3 and 4 feats? Are we just waiting for more of the calcs to be accepted first or is someone already planning a CRT?
 
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