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All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

Does anyone here have volume 15 of Dragon Ball Super in English? I wanted to see if Viz made the same translation mistake as here in Brazil, where they put "galaxy" instead of "all galaxies," please.

In the Spanish version, i know it's Universo.
 
LuffyRuffy46307 said:
Does anyone here have volume 15 of Dragon Ball Super in English? I wanted to see if Viz made the same translation mistake as here in Brazil, where they put "galaxy" instead of "all galaxies," please.

In the Spanish version, i know it's Universo.
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Let's say that Toei and Canon End of Buu Goku are the same AP or something approximate (something i haven't found evidence to disbelief)

GT Goku according to SSJ4 page:

Omega ≥ SFPSSJ4 > 10x > Super 17 ~ Same-name-saga SSJ4 > 8x > FPSSJ4 ~ Golden Oozaru Baby > 2x > SSJ4 > 3200x > Golden Oozaru ~ Super Baby 2 > 4x > Super Baby 1 > 2x > SSJ Baby Vegeta > 400x > Episode 23 > 50x > Episode 18 > 100x > Episode 1-5 ~ SSJ3 End of Buu/WotD Saga

SSJ4 is 20,48 million x base, SFPSSJ4 is 10x that so 204,8 million x base
SFPSSJ4 Goku is 8,192 trillion x our reference

Super Manga (which i'd love to use for the project): "Everyone beyond this point is 2-C, so there is no point on continuing calculating them" :<

Super Anime Goku, according to the scaling chain:

SSB > 50x > SSG > 400x > SSJ3 > 4x > SSJ2 > 2x > SSJ > 50x > P-Beerus Fight > 2x > SSG > 160.000x > Base (despite Goku saying that he got stronger, it isn't quantified so let's talk like if he isn't)

SSG is 160.000 x base, meaning 400x SSJ3. Blue is 50x that so 8 million x base
P-Beerus Fight SSB Goku is 2,56 trillion x our reference
(If i permit Kaioken it's 10x that, so 80 million x base and 25,6 trillion x our reference)

So the diff between SFPSSJ4 and P-Beerus Fight SSB Gokus would be of 3.2x in favor of GT (If i permit Kaioken, it would becomea diff of 3,125x in favor of Super)

Anything wrong here or can i proceed to other parts of matchmaking?
 
noninho said:
Anything wrong here or can i proceed to other parts of matchmaking?
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I calculated this exactly 2 days ago, SFPSJ4 is exactly 2 times stronger than SSJ3 (Second UI)

SFPSJ4 is 407 Quintillion times stronger than Buu Saga Base Goku
SS4 Gogeta is 8 Sextillion times stronger than Buu Saga Base Goku
Beast Gohan is 102 Octillion times stronger than Buu Saga Base Goku

SSJG (After Second UI) > SFPSJ4 > SSJ3 (After Second UI) > SSJBKKx20 (Early ToP)
 
KaramcaS said:
I calculated this exactly 2 days ago, SFPSJ4 is exactly 2 times stronger than SSJ3 (Second UI)

SFPSJ4 is 407 Quintillion times stronger than Buu Saga Base Goku
SS4 Gogeta is 8 Sextillion times stronger than Buu Saga Base Goku
Beast Gohan is 102 Octillion times stronger than Buu Saga Base Goku

SSJG (After Second UI) > SFPSJ4 > SSJ3 (After Second UI) > SSJBKKx20 (Early ToP)
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Mind linking me ur calc?
Great to see it cuz maybe it leads to a very interesting matchup
 
Why is Tao Pai Pai listed as Unknown on his cyborg key? He should scale to full Planet level since he easily defeted Chiaotzu during the 23rd Budōkai (i can't link the exact page, sorry)
 
I am trying to gather info on how long Goku has been training throughout his entire life I don't remember OG dragon ball all too well so I can't add it to my estimate
 
KaramcaS said:
I calculated this exactly 2 days ago, SFPSJ4 is exactly 2 times stronger than SSJ3 (Second UI)

SFPSJ4 is 407 Quintillion times stronger than Buu Saga Base Goku
SS4 Gogeta is 8 Sextillion times stronger than Buu Saga Base Goku
Beast Gohan is 102 Octillion times stronger than Buu Saga Base Goku

SSJG (After Second UI) > SFPSJ4 > SSJ3 (After Second UI) > SSJBKKx20 (Early ToP)
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asking again: please link me where have you calced this, would love to see where i got it wrong, your logic and see if matchmaking is possible
 
noninho said:
asking again: please link me where have you calced this, would love to see where i got it wrong, your logic and see if matchmaking is possible
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MF trolled me and has done no calcs

noninho said:
Let's say that Toei and Canon End of Buu Goku are the same AP or something approximate (something i haven't found evidence to disbelief)

GT Goku according to SSJ4 page:

Omega ≥ SFPSSJ4 > 10x > Super 17 ~ Same-name-saga SSJ4 > 8x > FPSSJ4 ~ Golden Oozaru Baby > 2x > SSJ4 > 3200x > Golden Oozaru ~ Super Baby 2 > 4x > Super Baby 1 > 2x > SSJ Baby Vegeta > 400x > Episode 23 > 50x > Episode 18 > 100x > Episode 1-5 ~ SSJ3 End of Buu/WotD Saga

SSJ4 is 20,48 million x base, SFPSSJ4 is 10x that so 204,8 million x base
SFPSSJ4 Goku is 8,192 trillion x our reference

Super Manga (which i'd love to use for the project): "Everyone beyond this point is 2-C, so there is no point on continuing calculating them" :<

Super Anime Goku, according to the scaling chain:

SSB > 50x > SSG > 400x > SSJ3 > 4x > SSJ2 > 2x > SSJ > 50x > P-Beerus Fight > 2x > SSG > 160.000x > Base (despite Goku saying that he got stronger, it isn't quantified so let's talk like if he isn't)

SSG is 160.000 x base, meaning 400x SSJ3. Blue is 50x that so 8 million x base
P-Beerus Fight SSB Goku is 2,56 trillion x our reference
(If i permit Kaioken it's 10x that, so 80 million x base and 25,6 trillion x our reference)

So the diff between SFPSSJ4 and P-Beerus Fight SSB Gokus would be of 3.2x in favor of GT (If i permit Kaioken, it would becomea diff of 3,125x in favor of Super)

Anything wrong here or can i proceed to other parts of matchmaking?
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Anyone able to respond me if there's anything wrong here with actual evidence?
 
I just calculated the results, all calculations are available in accepted blogs
GT
GTBase Goku (E5) = SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga)
GTBase Goku (E18) = 100x SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga)
GTBase Goku (E23) = 5000x SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga)
Base Goten (E23) = GTSSJ Goku (E23) = 50 x 5000 = 250,000x SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga)
Base Gohan (E26) = SSJ Goten (E23) = 50 x 250,000 = 12,500,000x SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga)
SSJ Gohan = 50 x 12,500,000 = 625,000,000x SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga)
GTBase Goku (E28) > SSJ Gohan = 625,000,000x SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga)
SFPSJ4 Goku = 1,630,000,000x GTBase Goku (E29) = 1,630,000,000 x 625,000,000 = 1,018,750,000,000,000,000x SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga)
SSJ4 Gogeta Multiplier = 20 x 1,630,000,000 = 32,600,000,000x
SSJ4 Gogeta = 32,600,000,000 x 625,000,000 = 20,375,000,000,000,000,000x SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga)

Conclusion for GT
Base Goku (E5) = 400x Base Goku (Buu Saga)
Base Goku (E18) = 40,000x Base Goku (Buu Saga)
Base Goku (E23) = 2,000,000x Base Goku (Buu Saga)
Base Goku (E28) = 250,000,000,000x Base Goku (Buu Saga)
SFPSJ4 Goku = 407,500,000,000,000,000,000x Base Goku (Buu Saga)
SSJ4 Gogeta = 8,150,000,000,000,000,000,000x Base Goku (Buu Saga)

I can release Beast Gohan tomorrow if you want.
 
KaramcaS said:
I just calculated the results, all calculations are available in accepted blogs
GT
GTBase Goku (E5) = SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga)
GTBase Goku (E18) = 100x SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga)
GTBase Goku (E23) = 5000x SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga)
Base Goten (E23) = GTSSJ Goku (E23) = 50 x 5000 = 250,000x SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga)
Base Gohan (E26) = SSJ Goten (E23) = 50 x 250,000 = 12,500,000x SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga)
SSJ Gohan = 50 x 12,500,000 = 625,000,000x SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga)
GTBase Goku (E28) > SSJ Gohan = 625,000,000x SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga)
SFPSJ4 Goku = 1,630,000,000x GTBase Goku (E29) = 1,630,000,000 x 625,000,000 = 1,018,750,000,000,000,000x SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga)
SSJ4 Gogeta Multiplier = 20 x 1,630,000,000 = 32,600,000,000x
SSJ4 Gogeta = 32,600,000,000 x 625,000,000 = 20,375,000,000,000,000,000x SSJ3 Goku(Buu Saga)

Conclusion for GT
Base Goku (E5) = 400x Base Goku (Buu Saga)
Base Goku (E18) = 40,000x Base Goku (Buu Saga)
Base Goku (E23) = 2,000,000x Base Goku (Buu Saga)
Base Goku (E28) = 250,000,000,000x Base Goku (Buu Saga)
SFPSJ4 Goku = 407,500,000,000,000,000,000x Base Goku (Buu Saga)
SSJ4 Gogeta = 8,150,000,000,000,000,000,000x Base Goku (Buu Saga)

I can release Beast Gohan tomorrow if you want.
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Let bro cook
 
KaramcaS said:
I can release Beast Gohan tomorrow if you want.
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Well yes, that and any other results related to Super would be very welcome, since you called out that my results were wrong and so far you presented exactly the same as i did
 
Early ToP
  • SSBKKx20 Goku: 1.024 Quintillion x 3 Universes (2-C)
  • SFPSJ4 Goku: 407.5 Quintillion x 3 Universes (2-C)

Post-Ultra Instinct Omen (second awakening)
  • Super Saiyan 3 Goku: 204.8 Quintillion x 3 Universes (2-C)
  • SFPSJ4 Goku: 407.5 Quintillion x 3 Universes (2-C)
vsbattles.fandom.com

Dragon Ball Anime: Statistical Ratings

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KaramcaS said:
Early ToP
  • SSBKKx20 Goku: 1.024 Quintillion x 3 Universes (2-C)
  • SFPSJ4 Goku: 407.5 Quintillion x 3 Universes (2-C)

Post-Ultra Instinct Omen (second awakening)
  • Super Saiyan 3 Goku: 204.8 Quintillion x 3 Universes (2-C)
  • SFPSJ4 Goku: 407.5 Quintillion x 3 Universes (2-C)
vsbattles.fandom.com

Dragon Ball Anime: Statistical Ratings

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SFPSJ4 Goku is literally 397.95 times stronger than SSJBKKx20 Goku (Early ToP)
 
UnoRebaixadO said:
multipliers of transformations

Actually, I wanted to know if anyone has tried to calculate the MUI multiplier.
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MannyQ361 said:
Well in this scaling chain, UI was 400 million times base at a low end.
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That's for UIS which I lowballed MUI at because the actual multiplier for MUI is kind of too insane to just throw out there.

In short, VSBW has it accepted that God is At least 160,000x, Blue is at least 50x that (So >8,000,000x) and that fusions are accepted as stronger than their fusee's strongest forms combined in base form. So for example Base Gogeta in Broly is scaled above X20 Blue Goku and SSBE Vegeta combined.

In the Moro Saga it is shown that Moro can counter Spirit Fission via speed blitzing. Yet Piccolo states Fusion is useless against Moro due to Spirit Fission being copied. Which Goku appears to agree with. That implies relativity between Moro-73 and Gogeta Blue (No Potaras, Piccolo saw Gogeta Blue, Gogeta has only gone up to Blue so far, Gogeta has no reason to hold back here). Enough for Moro-73 to land hits to defuse him.

Then we see UI Goku completely stomp Moro-73 with zero difficulty. Making it clear that UI is a greater trump card than the Fusion Dance.

That leaves two routes. Lowball (SSB x SSB via Base Gogeta > SSB Goku) or highball (SSBE x SSB via Base Gogeta > SSBE Vegeta/UIS Goku)
  • SSB x SSB = 8,000,000 x 8,000,000 = 64 Trillion
  • SSBE x SSB = 400,000,000 x 8,000,000 = 3.2 Quadrillion
So via that logic MUI's multiplier is well beyond 64 trillion times Base or 3.2 Quadrillion times Base. And this multiplier would apply to similar forms such as UE, Beast, Orange and (probably) Black.

Take that wank as you will.
 
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