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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

Idk
But he will defeat Killingham
So the chances of him getting a power up are very, very high.
 
DaMonkeMan said:
and Usopp is the best opponent for Killingham besides them
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soo like via trapping him or something? But then again can't he just teleport? 🤔

I think it's more likely sanji or zoro deals with him and usopp and someone else deals with Dorry and Brogy (Usopp might even be able to make them unpossessed via his convincing words, maybe)

Luffy and usopp duo can work tho
 
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Can big mom infuser her homies with haki? Or a more general question can haki be infused to devil fruit attacks like non physical ones?
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
soo like via trapping him or something? But then again can't he just teleport? 🤔

I think it's more likely sanji or zoro deals with him and usopp and someone else deals with Dorry and Brogy (Usopp might even be able to make them unpossessed via his convincing words, maybe)

Luffy and usopp duo can work tho
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Remind me how the Supernovas kept Zeus from getting to Big Mom as he couldn't be hurt by normal attacks, and also how Perona, Big Mom and Mars were defeated in their respective arcs?
 
Popbum said:
Can big mom infuser her homies with haki? Or a more general question can haki be infused to devil fruit attacks like non physical ones?
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Zoro can infuse his flying slashes with haki, so from that we can infer that non-physical things (in this case, air) can be imbued with it.

And we already know Devil Fruit users can coat the substances they manipulate in haki, even when not directly touching them (Katakuri and his awakening)

So based on that, I see no reason why Big Mom couldn’t coat her homies in haki.
 
Popbum said:
How we feel about law and kid > zoro?
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Wano Zoro should not win against either of them. Kidd could held his own against Big Mom and thats better than going High diff with King in my eyes. So, at best their stats should mostly be on the same level outside of maybe Ashura ap, his iai speeds and Kidds devil fruit LS. I dont really see Zoro's haki or his LS being comparableto Big Mom and his showings in Wano does not seem to point to this assumption being wrong so, I'd say high diff kidd W unless Zoro tries go for his strongest atacks at the very start.
 
Popbum said:
How we feel about law and kid > zoro?
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Bananossauro said:
Wano Zoro should not win against either of them. Kidd could held his own against Big Mom and thats better than going High diff with King in my eyes. So, at best their stats should mostly be on the same level outside of maybe Ashura ap, his iai speeds and Kidds devil fruit LS. I dont really see Zoro's haki or his LS being comparableto Big Mom and his showings in Wano does not seem to point to this assumption being wrong so, I'd say high diff kidd W unless Zoro tries go for his strongest atacks at the very start.
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lol, straight from his own mouth:
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Bananossauro said:
Wano Zoro should not win against either of them. Kidd could held his own against Big Mom and thats better than going High diff with King in my eyes. So, at best their stats should mostly be on the same level outside of maybe Ashura ap, his iai speeds and Kidds devil fruit LS. I dont really see Zoro's haki or his LS being comparableto Big Mom and his showings in Wano does not seem to point to this assumption being wrong so, I'd say high diff kidd W unless Zoro tries go for his strongest atacks at the very start.
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Wasn't it a high diff because Zoro was essentially fighting both King and Enma and was already injured beforehand?
 
DaMonkeMan said:
Wasn't it a high diff because Zoro was essentially fighting both King and Enma and was already injured beforehand?
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Im pretty sure the drugs got him healed til the end of the fight.
Not sure how much enma was a nerf more than a inconvinience but even if Im not remembering correctly and it was a full blown nerf to his ap and dura, what is stopping Captain Midd from taking away his swords? Kidd could push around Big Mom and with awakening he got her literally stuck, is Zoro> Big Mom an actual take yall have?
Eminiteable said:
lol, straight from his own mouth:
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I mean, Kidd is leterally the only one the supernovas who don't have anything other than actual raw Ap in there, Luffy internal destruction, killer has the sonic thingys, Law is Law and Zoro has what the scabbards had (if i'm not mistaken that is also acoa but not sure if its internal destruction) and a blade. Even if Zoro is stronger, his haki should nor his LS should be comparable to Big Mom to null the pulling of his swords.
I know zoro had a lot of impressive showings but he still was comparable to a commander and Midd and Law had a full battle against a yonko, with Midd holding his own against her while the most idiot Strawman ever gave him head trauma the dumbest way possible.
 
Bananossauro said:
I mean, Kidd is leterally the only one the supernovas who don't have anything other than actual raw Ap in there, Luffy internal destruction, killer has the sonic thingys, Law is Law and Zoro has what the scabbards had (if i'm not mistaken that is also acoa but not sure if its internal destruction) and a blade. Even if Zoro is stronger, his haki should nor his LS should be comparable to Big Mom to null the pulling of his swords.
I know zoro had a lot of impressive showings but he still was comparable to a commander and Midd and Law had a full battle against a yonko, with Midd holding his own against her while the most idiot Strawman ever gave him head trauma the dumbest way possible.
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Kid had AP that he both believed and showcased couldn't harm the emperor's, not even Kaidou in his base form. He went in there with the intent to use a form of "durability negation" by compressing Kaidou to damage his insides, it's just that he failed unlike the others.

Zoro on the other hand did succeed with AP to harm Kaidou, he also has better Haki than Kid preventing his devil fruit from affecting him; and this misconception that you need Haki on the level of Big Mom and Kaidou is false as you only need greater Haki than your opponents.

Trying to discredit Zoro because he struggled with King, who's entire gimmick was his Lunarian durability, which mind you an emperor failed to overcame in the very next arc is disingenuous. Zoro fought against both Kaidou and Big Mom on the rooftop and vastly outperformed Kid, and in the end when Kid fought an emperor solo he was one-shot.
 
Eminiteable said:
Kid had AP that he both believed and showcased couldn't harm the emperor's, not even Kaidou in his base form. He went in there with the intent to use a form of "durability negation" by compressing Kaidou to damage his insides, it's just that he failed unlike the others.

Zoro on the other hand did succeed with AP to harm Kaidou, he also has better Haki than Kid preventing his devil fruit from affecting him; and this misconception that you need Haki on the level of Big Mom and Kaidou is false as you only need greater Haki than your opponents.

Trying to discredit Zoro because he struggled with King, who's entire gimmick was his Lunarian durability, which mind you an emperor failed to overcame in the very next arc is disingenuous. Zoro fought against both Kaidou and Big Mom on the rooftop and vastly outperformed Kid, and in the end when Kid fought an emperor solo he was one-shot.
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He did underperform during the 5v2, but he also managed to hurt a Big Mom and with awakening the Bigger Mom. In this scale of yours Big and Bigger mom scale under Base kaido when thats not the case.
I keep comparing Zoro to Big mom, not because you need her level in general, but because Midd could affect Big Mom with his Devil Fruit push and pulling directly or indirectly.
Sure king is with his flames King has more dura than any yonko thus far, but what about Ap and any other stat? Also saying Zoro fought both of them is weird when it was a 5v2.
Midd being one shot is also weird, like Zoro would not be in the same situation + Shanks being stronger than both Kaido and Big Mom + the one shot is also partially because his railgun exploded in his face.
Thanks for keeping it respectful and refreshing me on the Kidd's statments. While I can concede that Midd's stats are lower than Zoro, its not that much of a difference in my eyes (outside the blitz or one shots amps thar Zoro has) and his devil fruit is a bad matchup for Zoro and if the awakening is pulled out early, he can pin Zoro down and try to railgun him.
Again Ty for your time and patience
 
Bananossauro said:
Im pretty sure the drugs got him healed til the end of the fight.
Not sure how much enma was a nerf more than a inconvinience but even if Im not remembering correctly and it was a full blown nerf to his ap and dura, what is stopping Captain Midd from taking away his swords? Kidd could push around Big Mom and with awakening he got her literally stuck, is Zoro> Big Mom an actual take yall have?

I mean, Kidd is leterally the only one the supernovas who don't have anything other than actual raw Ap in there, Luffy internal destruction, killer has the sonic thingys, Law is Law and Zoro has what the scabbards had (if i'm not mistaken that is also acoa but not sure if its internal destruction) and a blade. Even if Zoro is stronger, his haki should nor his LS should be comparable to Big Mom to null the pulling of his swords.
I know zoro had a lot of impressive showings but he still was comparable to a commander and Midd and Law had a full battle against a yonko, with Midd holding his own against her while the most idiot Strawman ever gave him head trauma the dumbest way possible.
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Nobody said Zoro > Big Mom lol we said Zoro > Kidd. They're entirely different fighters. Stop with the strawman bro
 
What does the TikTok video say? I cannot see it. 🙏
 
Still weird to me how Lucci lost that after just one strong attack given that he's a top tier who could beat base Kaido and is equal to Gear 5th Luffy. Must be a pibby glitch.
 
DaMonkeMan said:
Still weird to me how Lucci lost that after just one strong attack given that he's a top tier who could beat base Kaido and is equal to Gear 5th Luffy. Must be a pibby glitch.
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If Lucci is a top tier, he's like borderline at best tbh.

Good Haki (even briefly matching Gear Fifths COA is impressive), Great moveset, and awakened zoan recovery and stamina all make him hard to beat. But if you threw him up against an admiral or yonko it's gonna be clear pretty quickly he's not that guy.
 
Kachon123 said:
You should probably read Lucci's profile lol


Not too sure how you got "equal" from this
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The_man_with_the_Midas_touch said:
If Lucci is a top tier, he's like borderline at best tbh.

Good Haki (even briefly matching Gear Fifths COA is impressive), Great moveset, and awakened zoan recovery and stamina all make him hard to beat. But if you threw him up against an admiral or yonko it's gonna be clear pretty quickly he's not that guy.
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I'm just making a joke about how back when the Luffy vs Lucci chapters dropped some people were glazing him for it and overrating him off of just one short fight that he basically got embarrassed in, just for him to get one shot by Zoro a year later
If I'm being honest I only view Lucci as like, YC1 level at best, but maybe not even that. Compare him to King who took 3 ACoA+ACoC attacks from Zoro with his flame on and he doesn't look too great honestly
 
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