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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

After going through both volumes 8.5 and 13.5 here are some raws that I found which I thought were very interesting.


It isn't image scanned so you are going have to use either chatgpt or google translate the images. (y)

OH SO THIS IS THE SOURCE OF THIS MAP. I remember having a problem with finding where this map comes from. At some point I thought its fanmade.
 
Hey Astral, correct me if I’m wrong,

But isn’t Shion unaffected because of her Perfect Memory skill and Clayman’s own skill limitation , since he can’t affect astral or spiritual bodies (unless I’m missing something)?
And Shion has more willpower than Clayman.
As for Bernie, isn’t it because he has the Ultimate Enhancement skill?
In V10 it was said that he resisted cuz he had his own unique skill, iirc.
And for Chloe, I’m not sure if it’s due to layered resistance or simply because of the Infinite Prison’s shield.
Infinite Prison itself would be a Unique Skill
So I think a better explanation regarding willpower should be added.
I'll do that too, sure.
 
After going through both volumes 8.5 and 13.5 here are some raws that I found which I thought were very interesting.


It isn't image scanned so you are going have to use either chatgpt or google translate the images. (y)

Can you make a drive link with V13.5 and 8.5 raws and send it (here or PMs)?

When I copy the image, the quality gets reduced even more and gpt messes up a lot of it.
 
And Shion has more willpower than Clayman.
Well, I know that, but I’m talking about that specific moment.

In V10 it was said that he resisted cuz he had his own unique skill, iirc.
Well, at that time, no one knew he had Ultimate Enhancement, so…

Infinite Prison itself would be a Unique Skill
at the level of Ultimate tbp
I'll do that too, sure.
 
Oh, we also have post-v21 character profiles from Tensura X so we have something to go of off.


Also, "界空間" from Mai's profile has been used to describe the space between dimensions and hasn't been used before i don't think.

Sure — here’s a detailed word-by-word and morpheme-level breakdown of 界空間 (かいくうかん / kai-kūkan):
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1️⃣ 界 (かい / kai)

Meaning: boundary, world, realm, domain, sphere (of existence or influence)
Etymology / nuance:

Often refers to a “layer” or “realm” of reality (as in 世界 “world,” 境界 “boundary,” 異界 “other world”).

In Buddhist or metaphysical contexts, 界 marks divisions of existence (e.g., 人間界 “human realm,” 天界 “heavenly realm”).

Core sense → a bounded domain or distinct layer of existence.

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2️⃣ 空 (くう / kū)

Meaning: empty, sky, void, space, air, emptiness
Nuance:

Philosophically: the Buddhist “emptiness” (śūnyatā).

Physically: the atmosphere or outer space (空気 air, 空間 space).

Abstractly: a void or expanse.
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3️⃣ 間 (かん / kan)

Meaning: interval, gap, duration, between, space, span
Nuance:

Indicates “the space or interval between things”—both spatial and temporal.

Common in words like 時間 (time interval), 空間 (spatial interval).
I think it's World-Gap personally. 界 has been used many times before for different worlds combined with the kanji of different. 空 is Emptiness while 間 is Gap.

Also, I still think the place Mai was in with Yuuki was the world gap, not the gap between Dimensions, since Mai could observe worlds there and light, while Vega who was in Subspace / Gap between Dimensions perceived total emptiness. Mai simply called it interdimensional Gap because she didn't know where she was in, which she makes clear.

Not to mention, Rimuru is also in the world gap and in the background of the illustration, we see a lot of light spheres (stretched) which are likely worlds.
 
It seems Pegasus has gone a bit senile. Actually, why do we even keep him as a knowledgeable member? He hasn't been up-to-date with tensura for quite some time, hasn't reread it for also quite some time according to his profile, doesn't visit CRTs at all, even when called. Remove him to not confuse people
Anyways, seems like that Tensura X scan I translated will finally be of help, plus all the other things we've gathered
 
Anyways, seems like that Tensura X scan I translated will finally be of help, plus all the other things we've gathered
I Soo wish I could share my forum sandbox with others, but eh, unfortunately that's possible.

Though you can still arrange all the arguments you have here or in PMs, and I'll add it to the staff thread in preparation.

And, ofc, everyone else here can do the same too. 🫡
Translations....
 
I think it's World-Gap personally. 界 has been used many times before for different worlds combined with the kanji of different. 空 is Emptiness while 間 is Gap.

Also, I still think the place Mai was in with Yuuki was the world gap, not the gap between Dimensions, since Mai could observe worlds there and light, while Vega who was in Subspace / Gap between Dimensions perceived total emptiness. Mai simply called it interdimensional Gap because she didn't know where she was in, which she makes clear.

Not to mention, Rimuru is also in the world gap and in the background of the illustration, we see a lot of light spheres (stretched) which are likely worlds.
So Rimuru was basically in the Overvoid, whereas Vega, I guess, the Bleed could work? So if you were writing a cosmology page, what's distinct between Subspace (Gap Between Dimensions) and World Gap?

Also can we come up with an agreeable and sensible fan-name for the World Gap? It's too similar to how the Subspace is referred as in text. If we take the literal translation it should be "Kai Sora" or "World Sky," maybe even "World Heaven". So I was thinking of calling it "Heaven's Void" or "Heaven's Sky", maybe "Gap In Heaven/Empitness of Heaven". IDK just spit ballin but World-Gap is wack imo
 
So Rimuru was basically in the Overvoid, whereas Vega, I guess, the Bleed could work? So if you were writing a cosmology page, what's distinct between Subspace (Gap Between Dimensions) and World Gap?
Think of it like this.

There's a number of universes/worlds inside an infinite aspatiotemporal void (with respect to the pov of lesser mind). This is the World-Gap

Then, with respect to characters with higher Smurf hax, this void is inside a sort of a container (Time) that they can access/utilize/destroy. And there are many of these containers inside a yet another "Void" that's aspatiotemporal with respect to even those characters with smurfs. This void is Subspace, the gap between Dimensions.

These distinctions can obviously only be made under the existence of different perspectives of characters with different levels of smurfs.
Also can we come up with an agreeable and sensible fan-name for the World Gap?
I just call it the World Gap since it's called that in V17 (Gap between worlds).
Boundary between worlds, I guess?
It's too similar to how the Subspace is referred as in text. If we take the literal translation it should be "Kai Sora" or "World Sky," maybe even "World Heaven". So I was thinking of calling it "Heaven's Void" or "Heaven's Sky", maybe "Gap In Heaven/Empitness of Heaven". IDK just spit ballin but World-Gap is wack imo
Lol, but imo it's the simplest since the name itself auto tells the meaning.
If you want a fancy word, I guess Boundary Space?

Also, what Mai's page said was 界空間 (Kai-kūkan).
 
I mean the official website and databooks say that the Labyrinth Creation ability it's primary ability is to create a "Vast Subspace" and Ramiris can create dimensions and floors with imaginary matter.

Website Link

"広大な亜空間を作り出すことができる。"

Also Imaginary Space has been mentioned in this Wikipedia page under "イマジナリースペース":
 
I mean the official website and databooks say that the Labyrinth Creation ability it's primary ability is to create a "Vast Subspace" and Ramiris can create dimensions and floors with imaginary matter.

Website Link

"広大な亜空間を作り出すことができる。"

Also Imaginary Space has been mentioned in this Wikipedia page under "イマジナリースペース":
According to Tensura wiki, even Kurobe is creating own personal subspace with his unique skill "Craftsman"
 
I mean the official website and databooks say that the Labyrinth Creation ability it's primary ability is to create a "Vast Subspace" and Ramiris can create dimensions and floors with imaginary matter.
Yeh, creating dimensions inside those subspaces.

Though, by the way, it's possible that "creating" here doesn't mean as in creating from nothing but simply opening ways to subspace, since per the novel, it's the ability to "isolate dimensions" (isolate via putting a subspace in between).

And not to mention subspace has many meanings. Even Stomach is a Subspace cuz it's called that, in that sense.
 
Think of it like this.

There's a number of universes/worlds inside an infinite aspatiotemporal void (with respect to the pov of lesser mind). This is the World-Gap

Then, with respect to characters with higher Smurf hax, this void is inside a sort of a container (Time) that they can access/utilize/destroy. And there are many of these containers inside a yet another "Void" that's aspatiotemporal with respect to even those characters with smurfs. This void is Subspace, the gap between Dimensions.

These distinctions can obviously only be made under the existence of different perspectives of characters with different levels of smurfs.
Sounds like there's not concrete defined perspective yet just interpretation based on perception and limit knowledge of characters. For example how do we know that the respective voids are actually separate and distinct?
 
Question: Do you guys think Chloe can use all her abilities (particularly ones unshown) while time is stopped? Including Time Leap.

This is reference to thread that popped off proposing Chloe vs Velzard. Most are in favor of Velzard winning (even stomping), the main contention being Chloe is physically weak in comparison to God tiers and without time hax she's getting obliterated by most of top of the verse.

I have fully sat down and read V22 so I'm agnostic atm but I was curious what insight y'all had.

 
How do you manage to add 80 layers for US users ? Since I participate in debates, I could (maybe) use it 👀
Strength of the skill depends on willpower. So unique skill user can resist/overpower other unique skills if willpower is high enough and can be overpowered by another unique skill with even more of willpower. In theory a very very strong willpower can negate all unique skills, which negates other unique skills etc. US users resist most of unique skills, no matter of their willpower. There is 80+ unique skills so theoretically you can say that every US user has 80+ layers to power nullification. Sounds like a wank but the more I think about it the more sense it makes.

You can go step further and wank it as 80+ layers to every single resistance to every unique skill effect.
 
Sounds like there's not concrete defined perspective yet just interpretation based on perception and limit knowledge of characters. For example how do we know that the respective voids are actually separate and distinct?
Because the characters who observed them have different levels of "Skills".

For example, Mai who observed the World Gap as without space and time had World Map, which allows her to figure out the spatio-temporal coordinates of any plaxe she's in, yet she couldn't comprehend the coordinates of her current location.

Then we have Rimuru with Ciel, who has an upgraded version of the same ability called Space-Time Leap and an "irregular" spatial domination. That doesn't require the spatial coordinates of the place they are in iirc, and can take the user to any place they desire regardless of whether they have visited it before or not. This allowed her to time travel and go back to the past.

The same happened to Mai after she evolved her ability to Star King's Domain (Terra Mater).

And then we have Vega who also couldn't perceive anything inside Subspace. But while Mai and Yuuki (and even Laplace) could perceive the worlds inside the world gap as light, Vega didn't perceive any light or anything at all in subspace.
 
Question: Do you guys think Chloe can use all her abilities (particularly ones unshown) while time is stopped? Including Time Leap.
Kinda. Inside SW, Chloe’s time-based abilities, such as Time Leap and Time Acceleration (which can be countered by Fixation, btw) wouldn't work.

This is reference to thread that popped off proposing Chloe vs Velzard. Most are in favor of Velzard winning (even stomping), the main contention being Chloe is physically weak in comparison to God tiers and without time hax she's getting obliterated by most of top of the verse.

she’s indeed physically weak and honestly, I don’t see her breaking Snow crystal, since that would require an equal or higher amount of EP than Velzard, and I don’t think Chloe has that level of power.
 
Kinda. Inside SW, Chloe’s time-based abilities, such as Time Leap and Time Acceleration (which can be countered by Fixation, btw) wouldn't work.
How do we know this?
she’s indeed physically weak and honestly, I don’t see her breaking Snow crystal, since that would require an equal or higher amount of EP than Velzard, and I don’t think Chloe has that level of power.
I agree, but wasn't Chrnoa said to rival Veldora in energy?
 
Kinda. Inside SW, Chloe’s time-based abilities, such as Time Leap and Time Acceleration (which can be countered by Fixation, btw) wouldn't work.



she’s indeed physically weak and honestly, I don’t see her breaking Snow crystal, since that would require an equal or higher amount of EP than Velzard, and I don’t think Chloe has that level of power.
What I like the most about volume 22 is that it shut up all Chloe's fans especially in Reddit who wanked her and said that she is the strongest female in tensura and even the strongest hero too and that she was like top 3 in the verse until volume 22 got released when we saw her get completely defeated by milim and those fans too were the ones who underestimated milim and said that she is not really that strong too so when that volume released and I read that chapter I was happy that it proved all Chloe's fans to be wrong
 
How do we know this?
SW freezes time and space across all worlds. So it should be able to stop Chloe's time travel abilities as they don't exist anymore. Pretty sure Rimuru also said in V21 that Chloe's abilities wouldn't let him be able to go back in time because the world itself is destroyed, not just a timeline.
 
What I like the most about volume 22 is that it shut up all Chloe's fans especially in Reddit who wanked her and said that she is the strongest female in tensura and even the strongest hero too and that she was like top 3 in the verse until volume 22 got released when we saw her get completely defeated by milim and those fans too were the ones who underestimated milim and said that she is not really that strong too so when that volume released and I read that chapter I was happy that it proved all Chloe's fans to be wrong
Milim literally nukes Chloe any time of the day. Average redditors ig ¯⁠\⁠⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠⁠/⁠¯
 
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