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Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken Discussion Thread 20

@Astral_Trinity439 Well, why isn’t Resistance to Telepathy included tho?

Maybe we can add:
Resistance to Extrasensory Perception and Enhanced Senses, considering that Perceiver and Decipherer shouldn’t work against us, especially if they’re trying to ambush.

Resistance to Stealth Mastery, because of Murderer and Wisher.
Possibly Morality Manipulation as well.
 
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
Good. Although I couldn't see the scan (for the low connection problem at night), Deviant should have Fissionism instead of Deconstruction, so it should be resistance to Fissionism. For Ravenous, that should be removed as it’s Corrosion Inducement instead of Death Manipulation (doesn’t qualify according to this wiki). Void Manipulation, honestly, instead of Resistance, should be Nonexistent Eraser, since it’s not that they are resisting, but rather countering. But you can correct me if I’m wrong.
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It could be both and it is degenerate not deviant
 
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
@Astral_Trinity439 Well, why isn’t Resistance to Telepathy included tho?

Maybe we can add:
Resistance to Extrasensory Perception and Enhanced Senses, considering that Perceiver and Decipherer shouldn’t work against us, especially if they’re trying to ambush.

Resistance to Stealth Mastery, because of Murderer and Wisher.
Possibly Morality Manipulation as well.
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Are you even understanding how "resistance" work?
Its like saying "resistance to superhuman physical characteristics" because they resist being punched or smt
Like bruh "resistance to stealth mastery"?
"Extrasensory perception"?
 
Found an interesting quote and more info on the conceptual self stuff.

これより驚く事などない──そう思った矢先にそれ
は起きた。
我に匹敵するほどの存在力(エネルギー)ッ!!
クロエという少女が呼び出した存在は、精霊などと
いう次元を超越した"得体の知れぬ何か"だったのだ。
ラミリスが必死に止めようとしたが、
相手が悪過ぎた。
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「まさか、この場で私と戦う、と？」
「あ、そ、そう通りよ。何、心配するでない。実戦で はなく、あくまでも模擬戦だよ。それに、思念体が砕か ようが、死ぬ訳ではなかろうが？」
「そ、それは貴方様だけです、ヴェルドラ様！」
イフリートが何か叫んでおるが、まあ良かろう。相 変わらず、細かい事を気にしておるだけだろうしな。
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It seems thought forms are what is mentioned as conceputal self in the translation with the kanji being kinda similar just that instead of being gainen "概念" it is shinen "思念".

Oh and thought form is just an another name for heart core.
 
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PrimeHydra64 said:
Found an interesting quote and more info on the conceptual self stuff.
これより驚く事などない──そう思った矢先にそれ
は起きた。
我に匹敵するほどの存在力(エネルギー)ッ!!
クロエという少女が呼び出した存在は、精霊などと
いう次元を超越した"得体の知れぬ何か"だったのだ。
ラミリスが必死に止めようとしたが、
相手が悪過ぎた。
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This is certainly interesting, kanji checks out.
 
On the topic of the conceptual self, I just remembered this manga panel separates "soul" and "spiritual body", with the latter being equated to a memory recording device. The whole soul thing is weird lol given you'd think spiritual body would be the soul but it's not.
But yeah I guess conceptual self is probs referring to the soul
 
PrimeHydra64 said:
Found an interesting quote and more info on the conceptual self stuff.







It seems thought forms are what is mentioned as conceputal self in the translation with the kanji being kinda similar just that instead of being gainen "概念" it is shinen "思念".

Oh and thought form is just an another name for heart core.
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Interesting
 
Mizuki67 said:
Are you even understanding how "resistance" work?
Its like saying "resistance to superhuman physical characteristics" because they resist being punched or smt
Like bruh "resistance to stealth mastery"?
"Extrasensory perception"?
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Resistance to ES and EP exists, such as here, here and here

As for Stealth Mastery, well, that’s part of Extrasensory Perception, now that I think about it.
 
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
@Astral_Trinity439 Well, why isn’t Resistance to Telepathy included tho?

Maybe we can add:
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Telepathy isn't really an offensive ability most of the time. I'm not sure if Ultimates resist thought communication which is more so just "transferring your thoughts to the other person's mind" rather than something else.
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
Resistance to Extrasensory Perception and Enhanced Senses, considering that Perceiver and Decipherer shouldn’t work against us, especially if they’re trying to ambush.
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I've already added that tho, though the abilities may be different.
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
Resistance to Stealth Mastery, because of Murderer and Wisher.
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Stralth mastery is a hax applied to oneself. I don't think we can get resistance to it unless you mean "being stealthy doesn't go past US's senses" but that's more so just greater ES/EP
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
Possibly Morality Manipulation as well.
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Oh yeah, I added that initially but deleted it later along with a few other abilities. The description was originally "concentrated magicules effect morality"
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
Telepathy isn't really an offensive ability most of the time. I'm not sure if Ultimates resist thought communication which is more so just "transferring your thoughts to the other person's mind" rather than something else.
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Still being unable to read the mind of the U.S. with the Unique Skill , Grant Resistance.
Astral_Trinity439 said:
I've already added that tho, though the abilities may be different.
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My bad
Astral_Trinity439 said:
Stralth mastery is a hax applied to oneself. I don't think we can get resistance to it unless you mean "being stealthy doesn't go past US's senses" but that's more so just greater ES/EP
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Well, I’ve already dropped that idea (and why did I even put wisher there? I must’ve been high)

Astral_Trinity439 said:
Oh yeah, I added that initially but deleted it later along with a few other abilities. The description was originally "concentrated magicules effect morality"
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Oh
 
K'rimuru said:
Peak 🔥

When do you plan to start a discussion thread on this topic ?
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Soon, very soon. Likely this month.
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
Good. Although I couldn't see the scan (for the low connection problem at night), Deviant should have Fissionism instead of Deconstruction, so it should be resistance to Fissionism.
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Can be both, but Fissionism doesn't exist in that wiki so I didn't add it. Will add it when I move it to vsbw too.
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
For Ravenous, that should be removed as it’s Corrosion Inducement instead of Death Manipulation (doesn’t qualify according to this wiki)
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Actually, true. Removed.
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
Void Manipulation, honestly, instead of Resistance, should be Nonexistent Eraser, since it’s not that they are resisting, but rather countering. But you can correct me if I’m wrong.
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Well they aren't directly erasing non-existence but rather cancelling the nonexistent energy with existence energy. So I think it's resistance.
 
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
Still being unable to read the mind of the U.S. with the Unique Skill , Grant Resistance.
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I think that's better off as resistance to Mind Manipulation, but name changed to Mind Reading.

And, even then, Telepathy only allows for sharing thoughts that the user intends.

But I guess I can add a resistance to mind Reading based on Unique skill greet sage resisting Veldora's mind reading ability.
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
My bad
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Np
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
Well, I’ve already dropped that idea (and why did I even put wisher there? I must’ve been high)
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Lol
High on Slime weed like me when I put death manip for Ravenous.
AstraphelNoctis4 said:
Oh
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I'll add it later after finding the scans. Finding scans for magicule general abilities is hard cuz it's all spread throughout the volumes.
 
Astral_Trinity439 said:
all-fiction-battles.fandom.com

Astral Trinity439/Skills

all-fiction-battles.fandom.com all-fiction-battles.fandom.com
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Hey Astral, correct me if I’m wrong,

But isn’t Shion unaffected because of her Perfect Memory skill and Clayman’s own skill limitation , since he can’t affect astral or spiritual bodies (unless I’m missing something)? As for Bernie, isn’t it because he has the Ultimate Enhancement skill? And for Chloe, I’m not sure if it’s due to layered resistance or simply because of the Infinite Prison’s shield.

So I think a better explanation regarding willpower should be added.
 
Oh and from volume 13.5, there is this where it directly relates his ability to revive even after core death to him being "個にして完全なる者". Hm, and it looks suspiciously close to "全なる一", I think Astral has brought it up before.
 
After going through both volumes 8.5 and 13.5 here are some raws that I found which I thought were very interesting.


It isn't image scanned so you are going have to use either chatgpt or google translate the images. (y)
 
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