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Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

Viery said:
This is Akivili, right? This is why Nous mistook TB for Akivili, but Pom Pom didn’t. Akivili is the Trailblazer we didn’t pick at the start of the game — damn, that plot reveal hits hard.

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Personally i believe that it will end up being like, we (as in the the TB we've choosen) is Akivili while the unpicked one is Terminus, or something along those lines.
 
Tbh I really wonder what's been going on at Earth while all the stuff in 3.7 is happening. Does the Cocoon just have some barrier that renders anything Irontomb does to the Solar System useless?
 
Hsharpe said:
Tbh I really wonder what's been going on at Earth while all the stuff in 3.7 is happening. Does the Cocoon just have some barrier that renders anything Irontomb does to the Solar System useless?
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Superheros when a villain destroys the planet but it aint their movie ah moment
 
Zefkiel said:
Yeah. Someone on youtube says the cn side only says galaxy
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Well... neither of them. Lygus said 寰宇 Huányǔ, which is the synonym used for World (if I remember correctly, it's also the one used to refer to the worlds of Hsr).
he doesn't even use 星系 Xīngxì galaxy, 宇宙 Yǔzhòu universe or 银河 Yínhé Milky Way
I honestly don't know if it's a mistake; I'll check later when they've released a patch. Yesterday morning they announced that some of Lygus's dialogue was missing for the English version.
 
Tsubasa16 said:
Personally i believe that it will end up being like, we (as in the the TB we've choosen) is Akivili while the unpicked one is Terminus, or something along those lines.
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Yeah, that could be the case, since Nous’s words — “I meet you at the beginning and at the end of the universe” — fit Terminus perfectly.

But the unpicked TB said that the reason they trailblaze is because “they haven’t seen the end yet,” and that line feels very Akivili-like.

So, either it’s another paradox — where TB becomes Akivili and eventually turns into Terminus — or our TB will become the new Aeon of Trailblaze, while the unpicked TB (Akivili) becomes Terminus. In that case, Nous would have mistaken our TB for Akivili, who had already become Terminus.

There’s also a third possibility: TB becomes Akivili and later turns into Terminus, but Terminus (Akivili) regrets bringing about finality and gives a prophecy to the Stellaron Hunters to prevent it — essentially to stop Akivili from becoming Terminus. In this case, our timeline would be the one where TB becomes Akivili but doesn’t become Terminus, since our TB gave a different reason from the unpicked TB.

Guess what? This plot just keeps getting more and more interesting.
 
Viery said:
Cyrene lc still better.

It provides the same SPD boost (+18%) but offers a stronger DMG Taken debuff (10%–60% at max) and an additional Crit DMG buff (18%–60% at max), which Hyacine’s Light Cone doesn’t have.

The extra damage from Hyacine’s Light Cone doesn’t make it better, since it only boosts the "wearer’s own damage", not the entire team. In comparison, a +24% DMG Taken debuff and +60% Crit DMG buff to all allies are far more valuable than Hyacine’s personal 500% additional damage buff, which can only be triggered by Hyacine herself, making it much less universal in other characters.

Moreover, Hyacine’s Light Cone requires proper rotation to maximize its effect, while Cyrene’s Light Cone “Blank” consistently provides a flat 10% DMG Taken debuff to all enemies. So even if you can only trigger “Blank,” over a long rotation (around 8–9 turns), that steady 10% DMG Taken can contribute roughly the same total damage as Hyacine’s 38%.

So yeah, Hyacine lc is overrated.
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I'm coming back to this because I'd forgotten, but you're misunderstanding how the Cyrene Cone works. It's neither a 10%-60% debuff nor an 18%-60% increase; it's a stat calculation. You don't go from 10% to 60%, but from 10% to 16% debuff. Similarly, the DC buff isn't an 18% to 60% buff, but an 18% to 25% buff. You can easily verify this in-game using the Cyrene trial mode.
 
Stamina: Infinite (Black Swan is a Memetic Entity who shed her physical,Cite error: Closing &lt;/ref&gt; missing for &lt;ref&gt; tag), Hyperversal with Imaginary Energy (Pathstriders can draw powers from their respective Aeons, who are Higher-Dimensional beings and congregations of Imaginary Energy<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Black_Swan_(Honkai:_Star_Rail)#cite_note-Range-35"><span>[</span>Statistics Values 3<span>]</span></a>)
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Did irontomb affect this profile?
 
Ayato256 said:
I'm coming back to this because I'd forgotten, but you're misunderstanding how the Cyrene Cone works. It's neither a 10%-60% debuff nor an 18%-60% increase; it's a stat calculation. You don't go from 10% to 60%, but from 10% to 16% debuff. Similarly, the DC buff isn't an 18% to 60% buff, but an 18% to 25% buff. You can easily verify this in-game using the Cyrene trial mode.
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Still better than Hyacine’s Light Cone, by the way.
Hyacine’s Light Cone’s only real advantage is the 1% HP drain, so it’s just better for teams like Jingliu, Blade, or Casto (though not really for Mydei).
Outside of those, Cyrene’s Light Cone is clearly better overall.


And based on the leak saying that version 4.X will only have one Remembrance unit, Cyrene’s Light Cone is also more future-proof.
 
Hyacine LC is way more future-proof than Cyrene + her LC will ever be since Hyacine LC only requires Memosprite to have Skill which you know guarantees to happen
If Memosprite Skill can't do damage then Cyrene LC is worse than Hyacine LC since its 10% vs 18%, If Memosprite Skill can only do damage then Hyacine LC is still better since it's additional damage + debuff against Cdmg that is over abundant everywhere, If Memosprite Skill can do both buff and damage then yeah Cyrene LC going to be better in a Non-HP scaler that is otherwise it can be comparable depending on how often the Character acts and how often Memosprite Skill activates to do damage
 
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Ezalipaz said:
Hyacine LC is way more future-proof than Cyrene + her LC will ever be since Hyacine LC only requires Memosprite to have Skill which you know guarantees to happen
If Memosprite Skill can't do damage then Cyrene LC is worse than Hyacine LC since its 10% vs 18%, If Memosprite Skill can only do damage then Hyacine LC is still better since it's additional damage + debuff against Cdmg that is over abundant everywhere, If Memosprite Skill can do both buff and damage then yeah Cyrene LC going to be better
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You know that about 80% of Remembrance characters can do that, right?
Characters like RMC, Hyacine, Cyrene, and Aglea can all activate it, while only Evernight and Castorice can’t activate Cyrene’s Light Cone Verse.

However, Evernight and Castorice benefit more from Light Cones with higher base HP stats rather than those with unique secondary stats. Since Cyrene’s Light Cone has higher base HP than Hyacine’s Light Cone, it’s still a better option for them overall.
 
Agalea Memosprite Skill can only do damage the SPD buff is Memosprite talent so it shouldn't count toward "uses a Memosprite Skill on an ally", the same for Hyacine since team-wide healing is Memosprite talent, Evernight and Castorice also only have Memosprite Skill to do damage
so really only Cyrene and RMC (that specifically got replaced by Cyrene and will move to the other team) can use Cyrene LC
 
Ezalipaz said:
Agalea Memosprite Skill can only do damage the SPD buff is Memosprite talent so it shouldn't count toward "uses a Memosprite Skill on an ally", the same for Hyacine since team-wide healing is Memosprite talent, Evernight and Castorice also only have Memosprite Skill to do damage
so really only Cyrene and RMC (that specifically got replaced by Cyrene and will move to the other team) can use Cyrene LC
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Hyacine’s skill is considered a Memosprite skill, so she can activate it. Aglea might also be able to, but I could be wrong( so sorry if I'm wrong) — it’s 4 a.m. here, so I’m a bit sleepy 😔.

Even so, Evernight and Castorice are still better off using Cyrene’s Light Cone instead of Hyacine’s, since the base HP of Hyacine’s LC is only 1,164, which is very low. In comparison, Cyrene’s LC has a base HP of 1,270, making it a much better option, even when compared to all Light Cones with high base HP stat.

So, if you pull Hyacine’s LC, it’s mostly usable for Hyacine and RMC (Aglea has better 4‑star options anyway). Meanwhile, Cyrene’s LC can be used by almost any Remembrance character, except Aglea.
 
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Hyacine Memosprite Skill; Deals Wind DMG to all enemies equal to 20% of the tally of healing done by Hyacine and Little Ica in the current battle, and clears 50% of the tally of healing. not a single part of it target ally
Aglea Memosprite Skill; Deals Lightning DMG equal to 110% of ATK to one enemy and Lightning DMG equal to 66% of ATK to adjacent targets. not a single part of it target ally
you seem to have forgotten that Blank only happend on Memosprite Skill that target ally as this is the requirement "uses a Memosprite Skill on an ally" not just any Memosprite Skill if it just any Memosprite Skill then Cyrene LC will make no f-ing sense at all for why they need to have it be use on an ally and damage enemy, Castorice with Cyrene LC or Hyacine LC also severely cripple Poet of the Mourning set SPD tuning since SPD increase from both LC will f*** it up so you will need to do Crit tuning to offset 12% crit rate that you lose or change set if you are mad enough, Evernight also have The Flower Remember LC that is comparable (0.2 point better) to Cyrene LC S2 at S5 in term of Crit DMG for team but lack SPD that Cyrene LC give also a BP LC so value is kinda low while when you compare Hyacine LC to Cyrene LC for Evernight its Additional damage + 18% enemy dmg taken VS 16% Crit dmg since she can only deal damage it should be more than clear enough which is better
 
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Ezalipaz said:
Hyacine Memosprite Skill; Deals Wind DMG to all enemies equal to 20% of the tally of healing done by Hyacine and Little Ica in the current battle, and clears 50% of the tally of healing. not a single part of it target ally
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I talk about when hyacine do the healing skill, that skill still considered memosprite skill like cyrene skill.
Ezalipaz said:
Aglea Memosprite Skill; Deals Lightning DMG equal to 110% of ATK to one enemy and Lightning DMG equal to 66% of ATK to adjacent targets. not a single part of it target ally
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I talk about when aglea summon her memosprite but yeah,Fair enough
Ezalipaz said:
Castorice with Cyrene LC or Hyacine LC also severely cripple Poet of the Mourning set SPD tuning since SPD increase from both LC will f*** it up so you will need to do Crit tuning to offset 12% crit rate that you lose or change set if you are mad enough.
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That's right, just casto special relic that prevent Cyrene lc to be good but if future rememberance HP scaling use another relic, Cyrene lc still better than any 4 star lc or Hyacine lc

Ezalipaz said:
Evernight also have The Flower Remember LC that is comparable (0.2 point better) to Cyrene LC S2 at S5 in term of Crit DMG for team but lack SPD that Cyrene LC give also a BP LC so value is kinda low
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Those light cone just have 1.058 HP base stat, Cyrene lc still better.
 
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Viery said:
I talk about when hyacine do the healing skill, that skill still considered memosprite skill like cyrene skill.
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Ica healing is Memosprite Talent unless something weird happens, also I add a little more to Evernight since I'm weird
Memosprite Talent; Take Sky in Hand
Little Ica's SPD remains at 0, is immune to debuffs, and they will not appear on the Action Order.

If ally targets (except Little Ica) have their HP reduced, then Little Ica will consume HP equal to 4% of their own Max HP and restore HP equal to 2% of Hyacine's Max HP plus 20 for the ally target with reduced HP at the start of any target's turn or after any target takes action.

While Hyacine is in the "After Rain" state, Little Ica immediately obtains 1 extra turn and automatically uses "Rainclouds, Time to Go!" after Hyacine uses an ability. Moreover, when Little Ica triggers their Talent's healing effect, additionally restores HP for all ally targets by an amount equal to 2% of Hyacine's Max HP plus 20. After Little Ica uses an ability, all Continuous Effects' duration decreases by 1 turn.
Viery said:
That's right, just casto special relic that prevent Cyrene lc to be good but if future rememberance HP scaling use another relic, Cyrene lc still better than any 4 star lc or Hyacine lc
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Assuming those new Remembrance have a dual function Memosprite Skill like Cyrene and RMC, then yes, otherwise no
 
Ezalipaz said:
Ica healing is Memosprite Talent unless something funky happens, also I add a little more to Evernight since I'm weird
Memosprite Talent; Take Sky in Hand
Little Ica's SPD remains at 0, is immune to debuffs, and they will not appear on the Action Order.

If ally targets (except Little Ica) have their HP reduced, then Little Ica will consume HP equal to 4% of their own Max HP and restore HP equal to 2% of Hyacine's Max HP plus 20 for the ally target with reduced HP at the start of any target's turn or after any target takes action.

While Hyacine is in the "After Rain" state, Little Ica immediately obtains 1 extra turn and automatically uses "Rainclouds, Time to Go!" after Hyacine uses an ability. Moreover, when Little Ica triggers their Talent's healing effect, additionally restores HP for all ally targets by an amount equal to 2% of Hyacine's Max HP plus 20. After Little Ica uses an ability, all Continuous Effects' duration decreases by 1 turn.

Assuming those new Remembrance have a dual function Memosprite Skill like Cyrene and RMC, then yes, otherwise no
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I talk about when Hyacine SUMMON ica and healing, that's still considered memosprite skill.
 
Ezalipaz said:
Assuming those new Remembrance have a dual function Memosprite Skill like Cyrene and RMC, then yes, otherwise no
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Which 4 star lc that better for HP scaling DPS? Cyrene lc have 1270 base HP stat, that's very HUGE in HP scaling DPS.
 
Viery said:
I talk about when Hyacine SUMMON ica and healing, that's still considered memosprite skill.
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That should be consider as Skill since it Hyacine skill not Memosprite Skill and it list as Skill in-game and Hoyowiki in Hoyolab
Viery said:
Which 4 star lc that better for HP scaling DPS? Cyrene lc have 1270 base HP stat, that's very HUGE in HP scaling DPS.
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None but pure stat alone is not going to be enough to top 4-star LC that actually have synergies to the character
 
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