Honkai: Star Rail Discussion Thread

[Ayato256]

Can someone explain the Cyrene/Demiurge bootstrap paradox? Were they were always the same person?

The Demiurge was the initial target of the Scepter; he had fallen into a long sleep due to Stellaron contamination. Cyrene found him, and with each cycle, she told him stories. The Demiurge simply listened and did the only thing he could: learn.

She was literally nourished and sustained by the memories PhiLia093 shared with her, and she grew from those memories, eventually becoming a flower of memory, her adult stage. At that point, PhiLia093, whose name was Cyrene, decided to pass on her identity to Demiurge.
These are two different beings sharing the same appearance, if you will; the Demiurge is directly modeled on Cyrene. At least, that's how I understand it. Basically, Cyrene and Cyrene are two distinct beings sharing the same characteristics, except that one is a Pure Child of Anasrava and the other is simply the agent meant to simulate Compassion.

 

[Ayato256]

honestly there are so much things unexplained with this quest
welt himeko sunday and black swan literally entered amphoreus and went to kephale statue (us) to join us into fighting irontomb...
THEY WERE ON HERTA SPACE STATION INSTEAD

Anyway i think it goes like this, Demiurge (that small cube) is the same Cyrene that gazed at us in form of fuli while PhiLia and Mem are just her creations to help her record all the memories from cycles (my opinion)
but they are all same one cyrene in the end

They used the fourth mirror to project themselves into the Scepter, in the same way Black Swan infiltrated Amphoreus with a false self, a tactic quickly understood by Evernight. It's not hard to guess when you know Herta does it all the time to avoid moving.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

They used the fourth mirror to project themselves into the Scepter, in the same way Black Swan infiltrated Amphoreus with a false self, a tactic quickly understood by Evernight. It's not hard to guess when you know Herta does it all the time to avoid moving.

Then welt is the biggest liar when he said “we have to face irontomb” only to sit his ass on space station
hoyoverse has serious problem handling this mf

 

[IReallyLoveRilysse]

Then welt is the biggest liar when he said “we have to face irontomb” only to sit his ass on space station
hoyoverse has serious problem handling this mf

They don't want to end the story in a single patch
Cause welt solos

 

[RoninSlayer200]

Welt saw this isn't Myriad Celestia or Acheron where he can aura farm so he decided to hide his ass on herta space station.

 

[Ayato256]

Then welt is the biggest liar when he said “we have to face irontomb” only to sit his ass on space station
hoyoverse has serious problem handling this mf

Well, he actually copied the Alliance. They just contained the Virus of Destruction.

Welt saw this isn't Myriad Celestia or Acheron where he can aura farm so he decided to hide his ass on herta space station.

 

[Zefkiel]

The Demiurge was the initial target of the Scepter; he had fallen into a long sleep due to Stellaron contamination. Cyrene found him, and with each cycle, she told him stories. The Demiurge simply listened and did the only thing he could: learn.

She was literally nourished and sustained by the memories PhiLia093 shared with her, and she grew from those memories, eventually becoming a flower of memory, her adult stage. At that point, PhiLia093, whose name was Cyrene, decided to pass on her identity to Demiurge.
These are two different beings sharing the same appearance, if you will; the Demiurge is directly modeled on Cyrene. At least, that's how I understand it. Basically, Cyrene and Cyrene are two distinct beings sharing the same characteristics, except that one is a Pure Child of Anasrava and the other is simply the agent meant to simulate Compassion.

I asked the question because i saw this post on reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/s/yCGGZg3mUo

 

[Viery]

Why did Demiurge become Cyrene? Didn’t Demiurge turn back into Mem, who had lost her memories, after she had already fulfilled her role as Fuli?

Demiurge becoming Cyrene doesn’t make sense, since PhiLia093 was a creature created by the Irontombs.

 

[Zefkiel]

Why did Demiurge become Cyrene? Didn’t Demiurge turn back into Mem, who had lost her memories, after she had already fulfilled her role as Fuli?

Demiurge becoming Cyrene doesn’t make sense, since PhiLia093 was a creature created by the Irontombs.

Another explanation I found on reddit. I have to replay the last portion of the quest because I am confused. Either they are wrong or i am dumb

“Let's call the Cyrene of the cycles before Mem PhiLia, and the Bigrene Demiurge

Demiurge was inspired by PhiLia, and then became Mem, then the new Cyrene (not PhiLia. It's still Mem, the Demiurge)

She reached the Bigrene form and realized that the one that started everything was herself

So she fulfilled her role as Fuli, and as she did so. She reverted into becoming PhiLia”

 

[Viery]

Another explanation I found on reddit. I have to replay the last portion of the quest because I am confused. Either they are wrong or i am dumb

“Let's call the Cyrene of the cycles before Mem PhiLia, and the Bigrene Demiurge

Demiurge was inspired by PhiLia, and then became Mem, then the new Cyrene (not PhiLia. It's still Mem, the Demiurge)

She reached the Bigrene form and realized that the one that started everything was herself

So she fulfilled her role as Fuli, and as she did so. She reverted into becoming PhiLia”

No, Demiurge doesn’t become PhiLia. Demiurge became the first Mem, who lost all of her memories, to ensure that the Irontombs were defeated in the past. The gameplay where we play as Mem before meeting the Trailblazer is proof of this.

 

[Ayato256]

Why did Demiurge become Cyrene? Didn’t Demiurge turn back into Mem, who had lost her memories, after she had already fulfilled her role as Fuli?

Demiurge becoming Cyrene doesn’t make sense, since PhiLia093 was a creature created by the Irontombs.

« To close the causal loop and solidify the disappearance of the Iron Tomb, he embarks on a journey of retrospective observation. With the Demiurge's ego as his cradle, the new Amphoreus was born from the Memory Zone. The experiment on the prime mover of life was a success. Waves of History Nov. The Demiurge himself disappeared with the Scepter, and his consciousness transformed into PhiLia093, the origin of time. »
Idk if it's said exactly like that in the VA, but that's the closest approximation.

I asked the question because i saw this post on reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/s/yCGGZg3mUo

In practice, that's roughly it, but in the current Amphoreus, she could never have become Fuli, since the universe wouldn't end; it was simply one of the possibilities. Currently, she won't return; she's closing the causal loop of Amphoreus to prevent Iron Tomb from respawning.
It might not be definitive though; I think Cyrene will have the ability to return, but there's little chance.

 

[Viery]

« To close the causal loop and solidify the disappearance of the Iron Tomb, he embarks on a journey of retrospective observation. With the Demiurge's ego as his cradle, the new Amphoreus was born from the Memory Zone. The experiment on the prime mover of life was a success. Waves of History Nov. The Demiurge himself disappeared with the Scepter, and his consciousness transformed into PhiLia093, the origin of time. »
Idk if it's said exactly like that in the VA, but that's the closest approximation.

So basically, Demiurge created another Demiurge, huh? The gameplay where we play as Mem represents the new Demiurge that the Demiurge created as PhiLia.

Hoyo really likes making stories about samsara, huh? How many are there now—four, right?

 

[Zefkiel]

« To close the causal loop and solidify the disappearance of the Iron Tomb, he embarks on a journey of retrospective observation. With the Demiurge's ego as his cradle, the new Amphoreus was born from the Memory Zone. The experiment on the prime mover of life was a success. Waves of History Nov. The Demiurge himself disappeared with the Scepter, and his consciousness transformed into PhiLia093, the origin of time. »
Idk if it's said exactly like that in the VA, but that's the closest approximation.

So Demiurge becomes PhiLia093 and the cycle begins anew.

In practice, that's roughly it, but in the current Amphoreus, she could never have become Fuli, since the universe wouldn't end; it was simply one of the possibilities. Currently, she won't return; she's closing the causal loop of Amphoreus to prevent Iron Tomb from respawning.
It might not be definitive though; I think Cyrene will have the ability to return, but there's little chance.

Yeah idk why Herta acted like she really had a choice in the matter. Ok I understand the story much better thanks. I can say Cyrene has distanced herself away from Elysia enough for me

 

[Executor_N0]

After playing 3.7, I couldn't resist. I ended up pulling for Cyrene. I'm empty, but at least now I have a full remembrance team (Still hoping I can get Hyacine's Light Cone before it goes away).

 

[Viery]

After playing 3.7, I couldn't resist. I ended up pulling for Cyrene. I'm empty, but at least now I have a full remembrance team (Still hoping I can get Hyacine's Light Cone before it goes away).

If you want to pull for Hyacine’s Light Cone, I recommend pulling for Cyrene’s Light Cone instead, since Cyrene’s Light Cone is just an upgraded version of Hyacine’s.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

We need to find a way to defeat/seal Irontomb without needing the help of 2 Aeons to even have a chance to actualize in reality as fellow members

 

[Ayato256]

So basically, Demiurge created another Demiurge, huh? The gameplay where we play as Mem represents the new Demiurge that the Demiurge created as PhiLia.

Hoyo really likes making stories about samsara, huh? How many are there now—four, right?

No, it's his consciousness; there has always been only one Demiurge, but causality is involved, which explains some visual oddities.

 

[Ayato256]

If you want to pull for Hyacine’s Light Cone, I recommend pulling for Cyrene’s Light Cone instead, since Cyrene’s Light Cone is just an upgraded version of Hyacine’s.

I would have suggested summoning LC Hyacine instead of Cyrene, honestly. His cone is good, but it's not as game-changing as Hyacine's. Although I've miraculously managed to get 50/50 on all characters since The Herta's release, I have no savings left ;-; An LC other than Evernight's would be welcome to help me build, given the lack of F2P Remembrance options

So Demiurge becomes PhiLia093 and the cycle begins anew.

Yeah idk why Herta acted like she really had a choice in the matter. Ok I understand the story much better thanks. I can say Cyrene has distanced herself away from Elysia enough for me

Yeah? For once, I think she's just taking on his appearance and not becoming PhiLia093 (Phi's real name being E...ly...), she's just reconnected with Amphoreus, since the causality of this world has gone haywire.

We need to find a way to defeat/seal Irontomb without needing the help of 2 Aeons to even have a chance to actualize in reality as fellow members

Well, actually it's not really due to Iron Tomb; causality just screwed everyone over and took off, leaving us in the shit.

 

[Viery]

I would have suggested summoning LC Hyacine instead of Cyrene, honestly. His cone is good, but it's not as game-changing as Hyacine's. Although I've miraculously managed to get 50/50 on all characters since The Herta's release, I have no savings left ;-; An LC other than Evernight's would be welcome to help me build, given the lack of F2P Remembrance options

Didn’t Cyrene’s Light Cone give both increased DMG Taken and CRIT DMG to all allies, while Hyacine’s only increases DMG Taken and slightly boosts her own damage? Moreover, Cyrene’s Light Cone can increase the multiplier by up to 60%, which is really high.

So, I don’t know why Hyacine’s Light Cone is considered better — honestly, I think it’s very overrated.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

zzz

Bro ZZZ is still new and it's in grounded state so no insane feats ATM relax kekw

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Bro ZZZ is still new and it's in grounded state so no insane feats ATM relax kekw

ZZZ best feat by now is 7-C?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

ZZZ best feat by now is 7-C?

That one is debatable ATM, we did make a calc for it but the formula was wrong and rejected so yeah

 

[Ayato256]

Didn’t Cyrene’s Light Cone give both increased DMG Taken and CRIT DMG to all allies, while Hyacine’s only increases DMG Taken and slightly boosts her own damage? Moreover, Cyrene’s Light Cone can increase the multiplier by up to 60%, which is really high.

So, I don’t know why Hyacine’s Light Cone is considered better — honestly, I think it’s very overrated.

« Increases the wearer's SPD by 18%. When the wearer uses Basic ATK, Skill, or Ultimate, consumes all allies' HP equal to 1.0% of their current HP and additionally deals 1 instance of Additional DMG of the wearer's memosprite Type equal to 250.0% of the total consumed HP to the attacked target after the next attack launched by the wearer's memosprite. The total HP consumed is then reset. When the wearer's memosprite uses Memosprite Skill, increases the DMG taken by all enemies by 18.0% for 2 turn(s). The same types of effects cannot stack. »
Btw the damage boost is too significant and if I remember correctly, the cone also allows for HP fluctuations.

 

[Viery]

« Increases the wearer's SPD by 18%. When the wearer uses Basic ATK, Skill, or Ultimate, consumes all allies' HP equal to 1.0% of their current HP and additionally deals 1 instance of Additional DMG of the wearer's memosprite Type equal to 250.0% of the total consumed HP to the attacked target after the next attack launched by the wearer's memosprite. The total HP consumed is then reset. When the wearer's memosprite uses Memosprite Skill, increases the DMG taken by all enemies by 18.0% for 2 turn(s). The same types of effects cannot stack. »
Btw the damage boost is too significant and if I remember correctly, the cone also allows for HP fluctuations.

Cyrene lc still better.

It provides the same SPD boost (+18%) but offers a stronger DMG Taken debuff (10%–60% at max) and an additional Crit DMG buff (18%–60% at max), which Hyacine’s Light Cone doesn’t have.

The extra damage from Hyacine’s Light Cone doesn’t make it better, since it only boosts the "wearer’s own damage", not the entire team. In comparison, a +24% DMG Taken debuff and +60% Crit DMG buff to all allies are far more valuable than Hyacine’s personal 500% additional damage buff, which can only be triggered by Hyacine herself, making it much less universal in other characters.

Moreover, Hyacine’s Light Cone requires proper rotation to maximize its effect, while Cyrene’s Light Cone “Blank” consistently provides a flat 10% DMG Taken debuff to all enemies. So even if you can only trigger “Blank,” over a long rotation (around 8–9 turns), that steady 10% DMG Taken can contribute roughly the same total damage as Hyacine’s 38%.

So yeah, Hyacine lc is overrated.

 

[Viery]

This is Akivili, right? This is why Nous mistook TB for Akivili, but Pom Pom didn’t. Akivili is the Trailblazer we didn’t pick at the start of the game — damn, that plot reveal hits hard.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I'm talking about Phainon... Zephyro was a simulation; Nanook was just an avatar he sent into the scepter, and he never came out.

Alright so this is a note left in Amphoreus by Zephryo HIMSELF that he was in Amphoreus and whooped Phainon himself. So is this still a simulation or is this is a simulated Zephryo leaving a note, thus another scepter upscale

 

[Tsubasa16]

Powerscalers are Canon in HSR.

 

[Spinoirr]

Nah this is insane, saying Herta is a prep time merchant whos physically weaker and slower then omniman is insane downplay

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Powerscalers are Canon in HSR.

I mean

Jing Yuan Vs Feixiao (Honkai: Star Rail) [7-0-0]

Jing Yuan Vs Feixiao Fight location: Xianzhou Loufu Speed Unequalized Fight OST: Jing Yuan: @Voidnether @CastoriceTheFifth @GodEarh206 @TegamiBachi25 @Yanina92 @AlphaOmegaV1 @Lloydblitzed Feixiao:

vsbattles.com

 

[AthelChan]

there is NO WAY blue archive has a better tier than hoyoverse

Hoshino upscale

 

[Tsubasa16]

The way that to this day i still keep coming across people saying how Jing Yuan is weak (or worse, not an Emanator) cause "Phantylia stomped him!" is just so funny, cause it's very clear those people don't even understand the fact Phantylia was literally Amped with Abundance powers + Immortal body in that fight and that is why she was such a pain to deal with, and the literal moment she was cut off from the Arbol's power Lighting Lord basically one-shot her body lmao.

 

[Zefkiel]

The way that to this day i still keep coming across people saying how Jing Yuan is weak (or worse, not an Emanator) cause "Phantylia stomped him!" is just so funny, cause it's very clear those people don't even understand the fact Phantylia was literally Amped with Abundance powers + Immortal body in that fight and that is why she was such a pain to deal with, and the literal moment she was cut off from the Arbol's power Lighting Lord basically one-shot her body lmao.

The body she stole on a whim? Her main objective was to sow division in the Xi’anZhou, which is already successful seeing as infighting and plotting is already going on. Jing is an emanator of a Aeon that will get eaten by Nanook soon enough. Not to mention jingliu becoming a potential 8th Lord Ravager. Probably to do with Phantylia’s machinations.

Judging a body hopper cause she lost one body she stole cause “why not” is lol. She was not the least bit bothered.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Nah this is insane, saying Herta is a prep time merchant whos physically weaker and slower then omniman is insane downplay

YT shorts scaling

 

[V999]

After do 3.7 quest, it's really damn, HSR characters getting OP each update

 

[Zefkiel]

After do 3.7 quest, it's really damn, HSR characters getting OP each update

Makes you wonder what rupert 2’s self coronation would have done.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

The way that to this day i still keep coming across people saying how Jing Yuan is weak (or worse, not an Emanator) cause "Phantylia stomped him!" is just so funny, cause it's very clear those people don't even understand the fact Phantylia was literally Amped with Abundance powers + Immortal body in that fight and that is why she was such a pain to deal with, and the literal moment she was cut off from the Arbol's power Lighting Lord basically one-shot her body lmao.

And then when we say that Gacha players are illiterate, they feel insulted, like, it is not hard to realize something as obvious as this case of Phantylia being empowered by Abundance powers after usurping the Ambrosial Arbor itself, while its mere roots allowed the Abundant Ebon Deer to regenerate itself non-stop, of course Phantylia regen would be another level compared to that of the Abundant Ebon Deer

 

[Zefkiel]

Does anyone have the cn text of irontomb nuking everything?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Honkai: Star Rail 3-B rescaling

Something that has bothered me for months and I wanna get it outta my head. So currently, HSR's 3-B and Universal LS stats come from Phainon burning away several galaxies while running in a giant fire form. It's a pretty legitimate feat, no problems there. However, the main problem comes from...

vsbattles.com

 

[MotherStar]

That's exaggerated; physically, it's 3-C starting from Nanook in terms of THEIR physical fitness

Yes, I should have written "generally," sorry.

 

[MotherStar]

Alright so this is a note left in Amphoreus by Zephryo HIMSELF that he was in Amphoreus and whooped Phainon himself. So is this still a simulation or is this is a simulated Zephryo leaving a note, thus another scepter upscale

Either Amphoreus is illogical, or it was only his soul