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UNDERTALE/DELTARUNE [shiny new] DISCUSSION THEAD

Qurbonboev said:
Continuation of post seems much more interesting
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Intriguing.

For Tenna to influence a player, he'd have to get more characterization. So besides that that suggests the side Toby showed was where Tenna isn't left broken (Violent route.), & thus, that is the route he considers most prominent, or which he trusts/values the opinions of his friends on most (Or he wouldn't show them the dark side.), it offers a few possibilities:

A. For some reason, Tenna gets a flashback or dialogue about him in Chapter 5. (Flashback or scene with the Nobody in Hometown?)

B. Tenna can be left in Castle Town, & thus, might get more dialogue there.

C. Someone else talks about Tenna, like 1 of the TV World Recruits.


....Or it's happy. "I never want to see Tenna because his purpose has been fulfilled & if I see him again, I bet it's because something's wrong." or something like that.
 
Qurbonboev said:
Continuation of post seems much more interesting
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Imaginym said:
Intriguing.

For Tenna to influence a player, he'd have to get more characterization. So besides that that suggests the side Toby showed was where Tenna isn't left broken (Violent route.), & thus, that is the route he considers most prominent, or which he trusts/values the opinions of his friends on most (Or he wouldn't show them the dark side.), it offers a few possibilities:

A. For some reason, Tenna gets a flashback or dialogue about him in Chapter 5. (Flashback or scene with the Nobody in Hometown?)

B. Tenna can be left in Castle Town, & thus, might get more dialogue there.

C. Someone else talks about Tenna, like 1 of the TV World Recruits.


....Or it's happy. "I never want to see Tenna because his purpose has been fulfilled & if I see him again, I bet it's because something's wrong." or something like that.
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Oh.

The speculation might still be valid.
 
Accepted
Need Evaluation
AP:

Tenna GBE: 418.156885 Kilojoules (Wall Level)
Lanino heats things up: 0.00391 Tons of TNT per second (9-B+)
Shadowguys bullets KE: 0.00122144028017378095 Tons of TNT to 0.00400845029720960783 Tons of TNT (Wall Level)
Elnina cools things down: 0,005581767 Tons per/s (9-B+)
Golden Tenna KE: 0.03184029046940726 Tons (Small Building level)
Gerson throws is hammer: 0,012163351 Tons (Small Building Level)
1 Gerson Final Attack: From 0,590283618 Tons of TNT (Building Level)
The watercooler shows no mercy: 0,886674051 Tons of TNT (Building Level)
Elnina creates ice crystals - 1.11 Tons of TNT (Building level)
HolywaterCooler showns no mercy: 2,614663133 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)
Wicabel's Bell: 2.82 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)
Tenna weather report: 7,280557683 Tons (Large Building Level+)
Kris Protects Susie: 0.189110807 Tons of TNT (Small Building Level) to 48.62431403 Tons of TNT (City Block Level)
Tenna faster than electricity: 48,927416587 Tons of TNT (City Block Level)
Titan PE: 139,127518881 Tons of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
The Justice is made of Sound: 21.19167596 Tons of TNT (City Block) to 5448.819777 Tons of TNT (Small Town)



Speed:
Tenna Speed: 66.7229132776 m/s
Susie Runs Fast: 102.012289855 m/s, or Subsonic
Gerson throws is hammer: 165.876543m/s Subsonic
Vs Bullets: 259.35m/s or Mach 0.75 (Subsonic)
"HERE I COME, PIZZARINA!!!": 329.511717792 m/s or Mach 0.96 (Transonic)
Gerson says no to items: Mach 0.98658055156 (Subsonic+/Transonic)
Kris shares their Chocolate Milk with the Player :): 548.546370967741935 m/s or Mach 1.6 (Supersonic)
Gerson Final Attack: Mach 3.36895023149 (Supersonic+)
Pippins Feat: 1813.63636m/s or Mach 5.28756956 (Hypersonic)
Wicabel's Bell: 3842m/s or Mach 11.2 (Hypersonic+)
Kris Protects Susie: Mach 2.0625 (Supersonic) to Mach 33.07215743 (High Hypersonic)
The Justice is made of Sound: Mach 34.82280924 (High Hypersonic) to Mach 558.3832385 (Massively Hypersonic)
Tenna faster than electricity: Mach 49.8010927 (High Hypersonic)
Vs Lightning 1: 537777.777778m/s or Mach 1567.86524133 (Massively Hypersonic+)
Tenna's Lightning Attack: Mach 2092.98757097 (Massively Hypersonic+) to Mach 6954.11999386 (Massively Hypersonic+)
Jackenstein and Soul: 29% SoL (Relativistic)
Smash Cut: 111200m/s or Mach 324.198250729 (Massively Hypersonic) to 88000000m/s or 0.29353640377c (Relativistic)
Zapper laser dodge: 0.73c(Relativistic+)
Jackenstein and light: 2.47c(FTL)

LS:
Shadowguys bullets KE: 1.38419372003 Tons to 4.54256488714 Tons (Class 5)
Gerson throws is hammer: 695.227211 Tons (Class K)
Kris Protects Susie: 223.6917375Tons (Class K) to 3586.89375Tons (Class M)
Gerson Final Attack: 13208.6694 Tons (Class M)?
Wicabel's Bell: 484400 tons (Class M)
The Justice is made of Sound: 2262111 tons (Class G) to 581635602 tons(Class G)

Range:

Tenna TP Range: 770.857347593m (Hundreds of Meters)

Bonus:
Thrash Explosion: 0.30 Tons of TNT (Building level) -
Kris dodge missiles: 119.158690176m/s to 155.780856423 m/s (Subsonic)
Power Of Spamton: 0.15 Tons (Small Building Level) | 144.658064516m/s (Subsonic)
Chaos, Bigger Chaos!: 1.00628884824 tons (Building level)
 
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1. SOUL being powered by our sound in Mike fight isn't argument for Susie having supersonic perception speed. Idk how good as argument is "Susie dodged supersonic statue, therefore she should have supersonic perception speed", it's probably would fall into calc stacking. But Susie being faster than soundwaves in "vs Lancer and Susie" is something that narrator directly states, and it's constitutes challenge for us that we need to bypass in order to beat the battle. This should be our main argument for Susie having supersonic perception speed.
2. IIRC, we don't equate ten 8-B attacks to one 8-A attack
 
Qurbonboev said:
1. SOUL being powered by our sound in Mike fight isn't argument for Susie having supersonic perception speed. Idk how good as argument is "Susie dodged supersonic statue, therefore she should have supersonic perception speed", it's probably would fall into calc stacking. But Susie being faster than soundwaves in "vs Lancer and Susie" is something that narrator directly states, and it's constitutes challenge for us that we need to bypass in order to beat the battle. This should be our main argument for Susie having supersonic perception speed.
2. IIRC, we don't equate ten 8-B attacks to one 8-A attack
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Fixed
 
Edutyn said:
Accepted
Need Evaluation
AP:

Tenna GBE: 418.156885 Kilojoules (Wall Level)
Lanino heats things up: 0.00391 Tons of TNT per second (9-B+)
Shadowguys bullets KE: 0.00122144028017378095 Tons of TNT to 0.00400845029720960783 Tons of TNT (Wall Level)
Elnina cools things down: 0,005581767 Tons per/s (9-B+)
Golden Tenna KE: 0,318222328 Tons (Building Level)
The watercooler shows no mercy: 0,886674051 Tons of TNT (Building Level)
Elnina creates ice crystals - 1.11 Tons of TNT (Building level)
Wicabel's Bell: 1.31 Tons of TNT (8-C+, Building Level)
HolywaterCooler showns no mercy: 2,614663133 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level)
Tenna weather report: 7,280557683 Tons (Large Building Level+)
Gerson throws is hammer: 0,012163351 Tons (Small Building Level) to 14,02963989 Tons (City-Block Level)
Kris Protects Susie: 0.189110807 Tons of TNT (Small Building Level) to 48.62431403 Tons of TNT (City Block Level)
Tenna faster than electricity: 48,927416587 Tons of TNT (City Block Level)
Mike Battle Feats: 383,344122849 Tons of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
Titan PE: 434,452939771 Tons of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
1 Gerson Final Attack: From 0,590283618 Tons of TNT (Building Level) to 91,537038958 Tons of TNT (City-Block Level+)
10 Gersons Final Attack: From 5,902836185 Tons of TNT (Large Building Level) to 915,370389579 Tons of TNT (Multi-City Block Level+)
The Justice is made of Sound: 21.19167596 Tons of TNT (City Block) to 5448.819777 Tons of TNT (Small Town)



Speed:
Susie Runs Fast: 102.012289855 m/s, or Subsonic
Tenna Speed: 222.409710925m/s (Subsonic+)
Vs Bullets: 259.35m/s or Mach 0.75 (Subsonic)
"HERE I COME, PIZZARINA!!!": 329.511717792 m/s or Mach 0.96 (Transonic)
Kris shares their Chocolate Milk with the Player :): 548.546370967741935 m/s or Mach 1.6 (Supersonic)
Tenna cuts the screen: 1481.9117647m/s or Mach 4.3204424627 (Supersonic+)
Pippins Feat: 1813.63636m/s or Mach 5.28756956 (Hypersonic)
Wicabel's Bell: 2401m/s or Mach 7 (Hypersonic)
Mike's Final Attack: Mach 7.92571428571 (Hypersonic)
Gerson says no to items: Mach 0.98658055156 (Subsonic+/Transonic) to Mach 12.2857200761 (Hypersonic+)
Mike Battle Feats: Mach 14.8971428571 (Hypersonic+)
Gerson throws is hammer: 165.876543m/s to Mach 16.4243236 (Hypersonic+)
Kris Protects Susie: Mach 2.0625 (Supersonic) to Mach 33.07215743 (High Hypersonic)
Gerson Final Attack: Mach 3.36895023149 (Supersonic+) to Mach 41.952965 (High Hypersonic)
The Justice is made of Sound: Mach 34.82280924 (High Hypersonic) to Mach 558.3832385 (Massively Hypersonic)
Tenna faster than electricity: Mach 49.8010927 (High Hypersonic)
Vs Lightning 1: 537777.777778m/s or Mach 1567.86524133 (Massively Hypersonic+)
Vs Lightning 2 : Mach 2803 (Massively Hypersonic+) to Mach 5321 (Massively Hypersonic+)
Tenna's Lightning Attack: Mach 2092.98757097 (Massively Hypersonic+) to Mach 6954.11999386 (Massively Hypersonic+)
Jackenstein and Soul: 29% SoL (Relativistic)
Smash Cut: 111200m/s or Mach 324.198250729 (Massively Hypersonic) to 88000000m/s or 0.29353640377c (Relativistic)
Shocking Laser Dodge: 43.75% SoL, which is Relativistic
Jackenstein and light: 2.47c(FTL)

LS:
Shadowguys bullets KE: 1.38419372003 Tons to 4.54256488714 Tons (Class 5)
Kris Protects Susie: 223.6917375Tons (Class K) to 3586.89375Tons (Class M)
Golden Tenna: 40696.460871 Tons (Class M) - Not Sure
Gerson throws is hammer: 695.227211 Tons (Class K) to 801899.67 Tons (Class M)
1 Gerson Final Attack: 13208.6694 Tons (Class M) to 2048307.72 Tons (Class G)
10 Gersons Final Attack: 132086.694 (Class M)to 20483077.2 Tons (Class G)
The Justice is made of Sound: 2262111 tons (Class G) to 581635602 tons(Class G)

Range:

Tenna TP Range: 770.857347593m (Hundreds of Meters)

Bonus:
Thrash Explosion: 0.30 Tons of TNT (Building level) -
Kris dodge missiles: 119.158690176m/s to 155.780856423 m/s (Subsonic)
Chaos, Bigger Chaos!: 1.00628884824 tons (Building level)
Power Of Spamton: 243.283954 Tons of TNT (Multi-City Block Level)
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Ti58 said:
Size of over 2 km is kinda contradicted by everything else
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Not really. Titan is just much bigger inside than outside.
IIRC, we use PE only if character in question can move it's body fully. Which our Titan didn't (but titans in prophecy can)
 
Qurbonboev said:
Not really. Titan is just much bigger inside than outside.
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I feel like that's just inconsistent size. I'm also not sure if being bigger on the inside is GPE.

Anyways, falls in Deltarune are often way longer than expected. See: Susie falling in Ch2 on Ralsei or the Fun Gang falling after behind hit by Giga Queen
 
Also, I think I've said this before, but Creation is not an ability tied to creating dark worlds. Making a dark world doesn't create anything, it changes it into something else. Any lightner should instead be "7-B with Reality Warping" or something, not with Creation.
 
Also wait yeah why are dark world lightners 7-B with creation you can't create dark worlds inside dark worlds
 
SnakesCity said:
This looks good but i would merge the "breath attack" stuff with telekinesis instead as apart from it roaring upon the first encounter with the fun gang, it's never shown again that it has to roar to produce that pushing force like here where it's just idling.
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Updated with a small clarification
 
I'll see how I can update mine later. I don't agree with that being fire manip though, seems to just be darkness or the 'wound' of the battle box

I really don't want my draft to be discarded, I spent a good bit of time on it, and I've been wanting to post it for months.
 
ShockingPsychic said:
I'll see how I can update mine later. I don't agree with that being fire manip though, seems to just be darkness or the 'wound' of the battle box
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In the code, they're referred to as flames, they appear when the knight attacks, and in fact, the Knight was going to have fire attacks that were unused for some reason. (Like the Titan, who it has unused fire attacks)
So I do believe the Knight has fire manipulation
 
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