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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
With no statement for either there's no reason for us to put Naobito above it.
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Leaving this aside
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
Also Curseya's body was literally designed to increase his speed with projection sorcery and needed binding vows to increase his durability so the pressure of that speed wouldn't kill him.
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I think I get what you are saying but
I think this is really wrong about Projection Sorcery being kept as a speed limit. There is no limit applied to Projection Sorcery itself. Otherwise Naobito wouldn't be the fastest Sorcerer. Noaya would be equal to him.
But I understand. Yeah we don't have anything that places Base Naobito speed being above max speed Noaya while I can see perception speed being on that level and Naobito having his max speed comparable to Curse Naoya max speed or superior but don't have much time to write about it. Will explain later if I have some time.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
Leaving this aside

I think I get what you are saying but
I think this is really wrong about Projection Sorcery being kept as a speed limit. There is no limit applied to Projection Sorcery itself. Otherwise Naobito wouldn't be the fastest Sorcerer. Noaya would be equal to him.
But I understand. Yeah we don't have anything that places Base Naobito speed being above max speed Noaya while I can see perception speed being on that level and Naobito having his max speed comparable to Curse Naoya max speed or superior but don't have much time to write about it. Will explain later if I have some time.
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I'm less speaking on a limit upon projection sorcery itself and what a normal person can achieve with it. We know that one of the basic aspects of PS is that the movements have to be at least somewhat tied down to physics, so they can't move faster than they necessarily would be able to. It's why they gain speed. The faster they move thanks to PS the further they can move per frame and thus faster they can move in turn. The thing is though, mach 3 also requires Curse Naoya to reinforce his already stronger body through a binding vow so that he doesn't literally rip himself apart doing it. While there isn't a limit to what PS can potentially reach there is a limit to what a human body can take, which is something that has to be below mach 3.
 
AbaddonTheDisappointment said:
I'm less speaking on a limit upon projection sorcery itself and what a normal person can achieve with it. We know that one of the basic aspects of PS is that the movements have to be at least somewhat tied down to physics, so they can't move faster than they necessarily would be able to. It's why they gain speed. The faster they move thanks to PS the further they can move per frame and thus faster they can move in turn. The thing is though, mach 3 also requires Curse Naoya to reinforce his already stronger body through a binding vow so that he doesn't literally rip himself apart doing it. While there isn't a limit to what PS can potentially reach there is a limit to what a human body can take, which is something that has to be below mach 3.
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I have to disagree with this to be fair Curse Naoya doesn't have any feats for his durability though I mean when he is not accelerating? I mean I understand the human body part you are saying but I don't think this applies to Naobito.
 
EldemadeDityjon said:
I have to disagree with this to be fair Curse Naoya doesn't have any feats for his durability though I mean when he is not accelerating? I mean I understand the human body part you are saying but I don't think this applies to Naobito.
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Fair I guess for Naoya's durability. Can't think of any major feats he has for his durability but I mean, I don't think Naobito would be that far above him in durability. I don't really see why he wouldn't get mulched either at that high of a speed if curse Naoya would.

Though, this argument is kind of over nothing. We don't really have anything concrete for Naobito to be above mach 3 nor do we have anything entirely concrete for him to be below mach 3 so better to just keep him below than give him a tier based on just vibes
 
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Cursed Speech downplay is the funniest thing ever cause the Kamo and Higuruma statements always get brought up but it has worked almost every time it was used.
The single exception was Inumaki receiving blow back against Hanami after he already used it multiple times that day and multiple times again Hanami.
 
Why can't we use Mach 3 for characters like Toji, Maki etc. in calcs? It'd inflate Gojo and Sukuna, sure, but they're Gojo and Sukuna
 
Lilybitdun said:
calc stacking
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Mate, Mach 3 is a speed thing in story, not derived from a calc. It'd be calc stacking if we used the Mach 4.6 from Kenjaku's calced dodge or something
Calcing Sukuna Blitzing Mach 3 Characters (Or rather characters who can react to and dodge mach 3 attacks) actually wouldn't be calc stacking.
 
Lilybitdun said:
calc stacking
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That's not calc stacking. Calc stacking is when you use one calc to scale something else in another calc. We can use direct statement in the story like Todos 0.01 second reactions except we can't because that'd give us outliers to the Mach 3 statement
 
Buraqibear said:
Why can't we use Mach 3 for characters like Toji, Maki etc. in calcs? It'd inflate Gojo and Sukuna, sure, but they're Gojo and Sukuna
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Mach 3 isn't standard attack speed. It is from Cursenoya building up speed by repeatedly spinning around a town.

Even if we assume Cursenoya built up similar speed in some of the attacks Maki dodged, dodging an object doesn't confirm superior speed, similar to how a human parrying or avoiding a bull charging in a straight line doesn't require them to be faster. Maki managed to avoid subsequent Cursenoya attacks by learning how to hone her senses to allow precog.
 
LIFE_OF_KING said:
Maki dodging Naoya got Mach 5 iirc. It's on profile
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She has Mach 4.6 reactions from Kenny's Piecing blood dodge (which makes sense to me since, as a Heavenly Restriction, should have comparable, if not higher reactions than heavy hitter tier characters)
 
ShadowWhoWalks said:
Mach 3 isn't standard attack speed. It is from Cursenoya building up speed by repeatedly spinning around a town.

Even if we assume Cursenoya built up similar speed in some of the attacks Maki dodged, dodging an object doesn't confirm superior speed,
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It depends on how close the object is to you and if you have started building speed up. Saying "Dodging something doesn't mean you're faster" Is just untrue, disingenuous to physics and depends on the context and how the dodge was performed.
ShadowWhoWalks said:
similar to how a human parrying or avoiding a bull charging in a straight line doesn't require them to be faster.
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That'a a completely different thing
ShadowWhoWalks said:
Maki managed to avoid subsequent Cursenoya attacks by learning how to hone her senses to allow precog.
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She was parrying and straight up outspeeding him with Naoya screaming about how he should be the fastest but failing to catch her, she also said Toji would've counterattacked against Naoya even at mach 3
 
Idk
i don't know
know i don't
do not, i know
the know is not mine to hold
i lack the knowledge
my mind does not hold such concept
 
New chapter leaks out

apparently, there’s a creature in the planet that wasn’t sealed away properly, might be why the planet gets destroyed. Dabura seem like a nice guy and well intentioned but he kills the other dude
 
Electronic74947 said:
New chapter leaks out

apparently, there’s a creature in the planet that wasn’t sealed away properly, might be why the planet gets destroyed. Dabura seem like a nice guy and well intentioned but he kills the other dude
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SHIT I'm getting spoiled again and again clicking this shit by instinct. Curiosity killed the Buraqibear
 
Sammy818 said:
It’s some weird form of it yes, teh fear and cursed energy is based on an abstract concept, it’s like an in direct form of chainsawman fear stuff where instead of fear -> Devil(curse in this instance), it’s fear -> Cursed energy -> Curse/devil and what that fear of determines what that cursed energy embodies and becomes
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wouldn't that only really apply to really powerful curses? most of them aren't a manifestation of something specific, just vaguely humanoid beasts
 
Axxtentacle said:
most of them aren't a manifestation of something specific, just vaguely humanoid beasts
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MrTayman616 said:
Is this really abstract existence? They're not the embodiment of some abstraction or has immortality thanks to it as far as i'm aware.
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They don't need to be specific from what I understand. Some are either Japanese folklore, nature, grotesque versions of varying fears or just negative emotion made from people. Mahito's the manifestation of hatred of humans, there's nothing specific about that. They do have immortality 4, its just not on page right now. The way AE reads, either type2 needs a rewording or the whole page does cuz it also lists information and possibilities as ae as well.
 
Axxtentacle said:
wouldn't that only really apply to really powerful curses? most of them aren't a manifestation of something specific, just vaguely humanoid beasts
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imo, its like the cursed energy not being focused on something so instead of making one strong curse it makes lots of weaker ones, even though the negative emotions are being put into one place (like school or hospitals) peoples negative emotions are still (even subconsciously) focused on smaller things like a specific teacher or class they hated

I dunno, I've been typing and re-typing this for like 20 minutes and I still don't think I'm explaining it right
 
Rogue_Forge said:
imo, its like the cursed energy not being focused on something so instead of making one strong curse it makes lots of weaker ones, even though the negative emotions are being put into one place (like school or hospitals) peoples negative emotions are still (even subconsciously) focused on smaller things like a specific teacher or class they hated

I dunno, I've been typing and re-typing this for like 20 minutes and I still don't think I'm explaining it right
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I was having trouble too. I think how we saw that school of fish in V0 is likely from people's fear of schools of fish or fish in general. We see people are afraid of grasshoppers and that isn't a very strong curse, so it doesn't gotta be something like Jogo.
 
Rogue_Forge said:
imo, its like the cursed energy not being focused on something so instead of making one strong curse it makes lots of weaker ones, even though the negative emotions are being put into one place (like school or hospitals) peoples negative emotions are still (even subconsciously) focused on smaller things like a specific teacher or class they hated

I dunno, I've been typing and re-typing this for like 20 minutes and I still don't think I'm explaining it right
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also isn't it explicitly only the disasters that are immortal due to being the manifestations of those fears? other things may be manifestations, but there's a threshold for when it becomes that bigger thing

it's not just being a manifestation, it's having something due to being that manifestation that allows AE, no?
 
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