Battle of Pride (Vegeta vs Escanor) (Dragon Ball vs Nanatsu no Taizai)

[Makai641001]

Escanor in his weakest form ever in the manga insta charcoals people that withstands heats above 30k degrees his aura range isn’t a problem either as he melted Edimburgh’s castle entirely.

He also has danmaku and can spam suns that explode in large AOE blasts and radiate intense heat hotter than his passive output.

He also gets progressively faster as the Time pass.

How much heat does Vegeta tank with his forcefields ?

A much stronger form of Vegeta was cooked by Magetta’s passive Heat

 

[Bossbrosish]

He also has danmaku and can spam suns that explode in large AOE blasts and radiate intense heat hotter than his passive output.

Vegeta is notorious for spamming his own ki blasts (hell it's one of his go-tos)

A much stronger form of Vegeta was cooked by Magetta’s passive Heat

He wasn't getting cooked by Magetta's passive heat, the air around him was thin because of Magetta's physiology, but he was otherwise fine.

How much heat does Vegeta tank with his forcefields ?

I'm not entirely sure, but it's an option Vegeta has. Ki barrier in Dragon Ball have been shown to negate attacks and certain affects (Like Vegito making a barrier around his body to get inside buu and not be absorbed)

 

[Makai641001]

Vegeta is notorious for spamming his own ki blasts (hell it's one of his go-tos)

Yeah and they are pretty inefficient + Escanor can aura flex « boom » to stop them.

Charge and fire would also probably repell them

He wasn't getting cooked by Magetta's passive heat, the air around him was thin because of Magetta's physiology, but he was otherwise fine.

Bro was getting boiled by the passive Heat of Lava…

I'm not entirely sure, but it's an option Vegeta has. Ki barrier in Dragon Ball have been shown to negate attacks and certain affects (Like Vegito making a barrier around his body to get inside buu and not be absorbed)

So, he can’t repell passive heat using his barrier?

A single cruel sun aoe explosion would litteraly give him the Izraf treatment.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Tier 4 SDS is something I thought was just a myth...guess I was wrong

Following, leaning towards escanor

 

[Delusionaltx2]

What is the heat resistance for ki barriers in db?

Also how does escanor reach vegeta? Vegeta is much more mobile with his flight while all I remember from escanor is him riding cruel sun

Vegetas also gonna be faster and could potentially taunt escanor into tanking a final flash or smth (maybe...?)

 

[Makai641001]

What is the heat resistance for ki barriers in db?

Unknown Possibly stops lava

Also how does escanor reach vegeta?

Pseudo flight, AOE ranged attacks, danmaku, AOE aura.

Each of his attacks can insta charcoal people that resists 28 k degrees Vegeta resists 200…

Vegeta is much more mobile with his flight while all I remember from escanor is him riding cruel sun

Yeah he has good mobility

Vegetas also gonna be faster and could potentially taunt escanor into tanking a final flash or smth (maybe...?)

Each of Escanor’s attacks would turn him into my grandma’s ashes.
Passively.
From tens of meters.
Possibly hundreds.

 

[Bossbrosish]

What exactly can Escanor do if Vegeta just flies up into the sky and just attacks from up their with ki blast spam or simply teleporting around?

 

[Makai641001]

What exactly can Escanor do if Vegeta just flies up into the sky and just attacks from up their with ki blast spam or simply teleporting around?

That’s not in character for Vegeta to do so but he can follow him using his Suns and aoe attack his ahh

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Unknown Possibly stops lava

Thats pretty bad then

Pseudo flight, AOE ranged attacks, danmaku, AOE aura.

This is fair I suppose (considering all of his attacks are laced with heat hax that would fry the f*** outta vegeta)

Each of his attacks can insta charcoal people that resists 28 k degrees Vegeta resists 200…

yikes

Each of Escanor’s attacks would turn him into my grandma’s ashes.
Passively.
From tens of meters.
Possibly hundreds.

Hmm yeah that is true

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Escanor FRA

Heat hax is too strong and I don't see Vegeta keeping a constant range from Escanor that wouldn't result in him burning into a crisp
Plus there's also the chance Saiyan pride BS screws him over and he tries to null the heat or smth

 

[MannyQ361]

Would like to mention that Vegeta's resistance could be higher. Ki blasts can generate heat and Vegeta can survive them, though seems Escanor would still burn him if he gets in range.

 

[Bossbrosish]

What other win-cons does Escanor even have other than his heat being really high?

Vegeta has the advantage in mobility with his flight and teleportations, higher AP and the speed advantage with SSJ2 and 3, and he has the combat experience/intelligence over Escanor since he's a Saiyan elite who's been fighting since he was a kid.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Would like to mention that Vegeta's resistance could be higher. Ki blasts can generate heat and Vegeta can survive them, though seems Escanor would still burn him if he gets in range.

Escanor has a whole (I believe accepted) scaling chain that puts him many tiers above lightning

if we assume ki can burn things as hot as magma that would make ki 1,400 °C

Lightning burns at like 28000C and escanor scales way above that

 

[Delusionaltx2]

What other win-cons does Escanor even have other than his heat being really high?

Being honest idk about if the heat is like this hot it dosen't matter

Vegeta has the advantage in mobility with his flight and teleportations,

Vegeta dosen't use teleportation very much and escanor just has to be at least tens of meters away from him for him to use the passive heat

higher AP

Heat hax negates durability

and the speed advantage with SSJ2 and 3,

Escanor has pretty massive AOE and danmaku

and he has the combat experience/intelligence over Escanor since he's a Saiyan elite who's been fighting since he was a kid.

Thats fair n all but he can't really use any of that if he dies the moment he's in punching range

 

[Bossbrosish]

Vegeta dosen't use teleportation very much

Vegeta was teleporting a lot more in Daima if I recall

Escanor has pretty massive AOE and danmaku

Vegeta also has his own AOE with Final Explosion and his own dnamku with Ki blasts. There's also his dirty fireworks move, which causes opponents to explode.

Heat hax negates durability

Since when? I don't recall Escanor's heat ever bypassing someone's durability.

Thats fair n all but he can't really use any of that if he dies the moment he's in punching range

This is Vegeta we're talking about, if he figures out he can't get up close, he'll attack from afar

 

[Makai641001]

Vegeta was teleporting a lot more in Daima if I recall

This won’t help against an insta kill move

Vegeta also has his own AOE with Final Explosion and his own dnamku with Ki blasts. There's also his dirty fireworks move, which causes opponents to explode.

He would need to go SSJ 3 with max charged attacks to one shot Escanor, Escanor just needs to exist.

Vegeta didn’t even go SSJ3 for most of his fight against someone stronger than him

Since when? I don't recall Escanor's heat ever bypassing someone's durability.

Heat manip in itself bypass durability

This is Vegeta we're talking about, if he figures out he can't get up close, he'll attack from afar

The thing is he doesn’t have prior knowledge in order to know that he can’t get close he would need to get close at least once.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Heat manip in itself bypass durability

Show the scan then.

 

[Makai641001]

What other win-cons does Escanor even have other than his heat being really high?

He doesn’t need more than that tho.

Passive heat aura:
Young Morning Escanor which is his weakest key ever showcased besides night instantaneously charcoaled someone multiple no sells gap above lightning heat which is already 140x above the listed resistance for Vegeta.

Aura flex:
Same key can flex his aura which propagates his heat omnidirectionally with hundreds of meters to a few km of range (That’s how he melted Edimburgh’s castle entirely)

Cruel Sun:
Higher heat than his passive output can be amped in terms of size and produce insane AOE’s he can also use them as Danmaku.

Enchantments:
Sunshine is a destroyer type magic which allow him to enhance his attacks tenfold.

Lifting strength Class P > Class T

Vegeta has the advantage in mobility with his flight and teleportations, higher AP and the speed advantage with SSJ2 and 3,

Yeah

and he has the combat experience/intelligence over Escanor since he's a Saiyan elite who's been fighting since he was a kid.

Experience alone isn’t a good enough feat.

Escanor managed to survive against AM Meliodas a being tens of times stronger than him for a few minutes as well as being able to parry his attacks and shortly fight despite the latter being superior to Excalibur (that contains the composite skills of all sword masters that used it throughout history)

He could contend in a fight with a billions of years old god.

 

[Makai641001]

Show the scan then.

It seems like you don’t understand, Heat manip in itself not just in NNT but in every work bypass durability.

That’s why you need resistance to… resist it

 

[Bossbrosish]

It seems like you don’t understand, Heat manip in itself not just in NNT but in every work bypass durability.

That’s why you need resistance to… resist it

So you're just saying regular heat manip bypasses durability? Am I getting that right?

 

[Makai641001]

So you're just saying regular heat manip bypasses durability? Am I getting that right?

Yeah that’s the point

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Vegeta was teleporting a lot more in Daima if I recall

The thing with dragon ball through is that sometimes they shift POV to showcase the speed at which the characters are moving, that's why you have the iconic invisible clashes in most fights

Vegeta also has his own AOE with Final Explosion and his own dnamku with Ki blasts. There's also his dirty fireworks move, which causes opponents to explode.

The problem is that escanors AOE if it hits just ends the fight

Vegetas AOE if it hits doesn't automatically end the fight

Since when? I don't recall Escanor's heat ever bypassing someone's durability.

Heat hax in general has a limited form of dura neg

This is Vegeta we're talking about, if he figures out he can't get up close, he'll attack from afar

And escanor can just do the same but also follow him and melt him with just passive heat

 

[Bossbrosish]

Bumping while at work

 

[Makai641001]

Bumping while at work

If Vegeta’s only win con is some out of character bs then count me as a vote for Escanor.

His win cons are actually a one shot 100% of the time.

Vegeta needs to go SSJ3 full charge to one tap him

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Each of Escanor’s attacks would turn him into my grandma’s ashes.

Bro

 

[Bossbrosish]

If Vegeta’s only win con is some out of character bs then count me as a vote for Escanor.

It's not out of Character for Vegeta to jump to his strongest form in a fight. He did it against Gomah.

 

[Makai641001]

It's not out of Character for Vegeta to jump to his strongest form in a fight. He did it against Gomah.

Do you realise this does not help you at all ?

If it was Escanor in front of him Vegeta would get turned into a piece of Charcoal

 

[Bossbrosish]

Do you realise this does not help you at all ?

If it was Escanor in front of him Vegeta would get turned into a piece of Charcoal

I'm just saying that it's not out of character for Vegeta to go straight to his strongest form. You said it was out of character, and I pointed out that it's not. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Mickey1940]

I'm just saying that it's not out of character for Vegeta to go straight to his strongest form. You said it was out of character, and I pointed out that it's not. Nothing more, nothing less.

this doesn't make sense cuz Vegeta can sense Escanor who is fodder compared to SSJ3

before Vegeta realizes the heat can kill him, the heat already kills him

voting Escanor

 

[MannyQ361]

Maybe if Vegeta notices how Escanor is affecting the environment around him quick enough, he could try pushing him away to create distance and stay out of his heat range.

 

[Makai641001]

I'm just saying that it's not out of character for Vegeta to go straight to his strongest form. You said it was out of character, and I pointed out that it's not. Nothing more, nothing less.

When i talked about out of character it was more about him instantly fleeing from Escanor.

The scene you showed litteraly shows him rushing straight towards Gomah in SSJ1 and then waiting a bit before turning SSJ3

Maybe if Vegeta notices how Escanor is affecting the environment around him quick enough, he could try pushing him away to create distance and stay out of his heat range.

Escanor isn’t a limbless man, he can increase his range instantly, fly, product tens of suns, aoe’s that have kilometers of range

 

[MannyQ361]

Yeah that would hard to avoid. But to be fair, Vegeta's attacks could reach planetary range, so he could try something like this.

 

[Makai641001]

Yeah that would hard to avoid. But to be fair, Vegeta's attacks could reach planetary range, so he could try something like this.

Can you show Vegeta doing such a thing in character ?

Any of Escanor’s attacks would one shot

 

[MannyQ361]

It's something Vegeta should be capable of. There's these instances where his blasts have a large area of affect. But if Escanor starts to melt things around him, Vegeta may deduce he should stay away and try attack at a range.

 

[Makai641001]

It's something Vegeta should be capable of. There's these instances where his blasts have a large area of affect

At this range Escanor flexing his aura turns him into ash

. But if Escanor starts to melt things around him, Vegeta may deduce he should stay away and try attack at a range.

Escanor doesn’t melt things around him tho there is no indication about his heat especially with Rhitta

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Assuming the distance stays where it's at, can change my vote to Escanor. The heat is a serious issue tbf.

 

[Bossbrosish]

Assuming the distance stays where it's at, can change my vote to Escanor. The heat is a serious issue tbf.

Alright and I did message some more knowledge members on Dragon Ball for additional input (let's be fr they won't respond since one vote is needed now for Escanor unless I missed someone)

Even if I changed the distance to say 10 KM, Vegeta would fly over there after sensing Escanor's energy but still get vaporized or some sh*t.

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Alright and I did message some more knowledge members on Dragon Ball for additional input (let's be fr they won't respond since one vote is needed now for Escanor unless I missed someone)

They ain't ever coming bro

Even if I changed the distance to say 10 KM, Vegeta would fly over there after sensing Escanor's energy but still get vaporized or some sh*t.

I highly disagree with this, because Vegeta isn't the type to do that but eh. It is true that the current distance creates a issue for him.

 

[Makai641001]

Assuming the distance stays where it's at, can change my vote to Escanor. The heat is a serious issue tbf.

Yeah and according to Vegeta’s weakness section it’s unlikely that he’ll just flee.

Vegeta is arrogant and prideful, and if overpowered by someone he considers below him, he can lose his temper. He also seeks strong opponents and therefore will allow his opponents to reach their full power for the sake of a good fight.

Both have win cons but Escanor’s need way less assumptions

 

[AlipheeseXIV]

Yeah and according to Vegeta’s weakness section it’s unlikely that he’ll just flee.

Fleeing and fighting someone from range are 2 different things, so I don't know why you're mentioning that. Vegeta fights people from range when he knows he stands little to no chance against them in CQB very regularly throughout the series.