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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

he was hit in the gut multiple times
Superhuman beings, capable of shrugging being thrown through buildings and shoved into a locker suddenly weaken from gut punches.

it proves that he was injured
No they are sorcerers. This stuff is what they go through on the daily and act like it don't matter, even people like Nobara or Inumaki go through it.
 
Superhuman beings, capable of shrugging being thrown through buildings and shoved into a locker suddenly weaken from gut punches.
you do know it matters from whom right? this is domain amped Megumi (who might just be 120% stronger) + his clones who as far as we know can be comparable to his real self, and megumi normally is already relative to Reggie
No they are sorcerers.
im happy for them 🙏
This stuff is what they go through on the daily and act like it don't matter, even people like Nobara or Inumaki go through it
when did nobara or inumaki went through stuff like that and it didnt weaken them at all
 
 
you do know it matters from whom right? this is domain amped Megumi (who might just be 120% stronger) + his clones who as far as we know can be comparable to his real self, and megumi normally is already relative to Reggie
Sorcerers are graded because that's their level, why would some punches from a semi grade 1 sorcerer like Megumi be enough to weaken him? And 120% is about the domain amping the potential of his ct, that's why we see he can make two clones and why Reggie comments on how incredible it is. His first time he only did 1 clone.

when did nobara or inumaki went through stuff like that and it didnt weaken them at all
Nobara was hit by Eso's ct which decays the body and would've killed them in less than 10 minutes but she kept fighting. Nobara was hit by Haruta and had her brain hurt. Inumaki is almost always suffering from his throats pain and even after coughing up blood, he uses it again. And its not only them with decent stuff, Nanami and Naobito both suffered actual injuries and were capable of moving around and fighting.

Also you're kinda missing the point, I'm not saying it doesn't weaken them at all, I'm saying sorcerers generally go through what Reggie went through and still show good feats. All we've got for Reggie is coughing up blood and a bloody nose, when has something similar effected a sorcerer enough they were weakened from it to an extent they can't operate at their normal level?

Also rereading, Reggie needed a moped to catch up with Nue.... I can't wait for the superhuman downgrade
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Sorcerers are graded because that's their level, why would some punches from a semi grade 1 sorcerer like Megumi be enough to weaken him?
Megumi can basically be considered grade 1 atp, the question is why not?
And 120% is about the domain amping the potential of his ct, that's why we see he can make two clones and why Reggie comments on how incredible it is.
he makes this comment referring to how strong Megumi is hitting him, atleast to me it seems that way
Nobara was hit by Eso's ct which decays the body and would've killed them in less than 10 minutes but she kept fighting.
Aaaaand? she wasnt weakened? she literally COULD BARELY move and was outright stated to be weak from that, like just read ch 61, its outright said she's weakened
Nobara was hit by Haruta and had her brain hurt
and she wasnt weakened? she became 100% defenceless

you are not proving anything with those 😭
Inumaki is almost always suffering from his throats pain and even after coughing up blood, he uses it again. And its not only them with decent stuff, Nanami and Naobito both suffered actual injuries and were capable of moving around and fighting.
same thing again, they all become weaker
Also you're kinda missing the point, I'm not saying it doesn't weaken them at all, I'm saying sorcerers generally go through what Reggie went through and still show good feat
So did Reggie??? Huh???? He's going through a beating and still shows this class k feat
 
he makes this comment referring to how strong Megumi is hitting him, atleast to me it seems that way
"His increase in cursed technique performance is incredible."

Aaaaand? she wasnt weakened? she literally COULD BARELY move and was outright stated to be weak from that, like just read ch 61, its outright said she's weakened
You're wrong and missing the point. Eso says that and is surprised by the fact she can move. It's not enough to debilitate her or be noticeable unless I'm missing something and her hitting black flash isn't impressive to you.

and she wasnt weakened? she became 100% defenceless

you are not proving anything with those 😭
Probably the only one that isn't an example of what I'm talking about, but the rest are.

same thing again, they all become weaker
Still just missing the point. They become weakened but still show feats at their normal level. Inumaki used cursed speech several times on Hanami and at the last use after already coughing up blood, uses it again and sends Hanami flying. Nanami gets mauled by Dagon's domain and still reacts to the fishes and is ready to fight, Naobito loses an arm (an actual injury) and is still ready to fight and use his ct.

So did Reggie??? Huh???? He's going through a beating and still shows this class k feat
If you're class K your bones shouldn't be fracturing from force just 11 tons higher than baseline Class K. Nor should he have trouble just tossing the 3t elephant away. You're ignoring the logic

If you're still confused on the main point then just stop responding cuz it doesn't seem we're gonna come to an understanding.
 
which would refer to his clones being strong
You're wrong and missing the point.
No, im right and you are only proving me more right
Eso says that and is surprised by the fact she can move.
lol what? he's surprised that YUJI can move, and that its explained that he can move because he resists the poison, how do you even read the way you did???
It's not enough to debilitate her or be noticeable unless I'm missing something
it is, she cant actually move properly


her hitting black flash isn't impressive to you.
no it isnt, black flash is a completely random occurrence that has no correlation to how weak or strong you are at the moment
Still just missing the point.
nope
They become weakened but still show feats at their normal level. Inumaki used cursed speech several times on Hanami and at the last use after already coughing up blood, uses it again and sends Hanami flying
they dont really, Inumaki can barely walk when he's doing that last "blast away"
Nanami gets mauled by Dagon's domain and still reacts to the fishes and is ready to fight, Naobito loses an arm (an actual injury) and is still ready to fight and use his ct.
for the last time, and? nothing of what you said means they werent weakened
If you're class K your bones shouldn't be fracturing from force just 11 tons higher than baseline Class K.
Why?
Nor should he have trouble just tossing the 3t elephant away. You're ignoring the logic
he's even more weakened at that point, by your logic even if he's only class 100 or lower, he still shouldnt have trouble tossing the elephant
 
FINALLY, DONT KNOW WHY 15F WASNT AT HYPERSONIC ALREADY
Before that went through, I was honestly gonna make an argument that 15F should scale to the piercing blood blitz due to being stronger than his weakened self
(Someone needs to calc Sukuna blitzing characters who are roughly mach 3 twice anyway 🥀)
THE ONLY UPGRADE LEFT IS RELATIVISTIC KASHIMO ⚡⚡⚡
If MHS+ Heavy hitters has been rejected so much thus far, Rela Kashimo (And Gojo, sukuna, and Maho) ain't got a chance in hell
 
Maru couldn't sense the physical gaze manip barrier in chapter 1 but Yuka and Tsurugi could and I'm wondering how Maru wouldn't know about barrier techs or sense them? Barrier techs and sensing are basic stuff so kinda interesting he didn't know.
 
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  • Mahito's domain in Shibuya still required him to activate his technique. He just merged the activation with the actualisation of his innate domain, making it fast.
  • Hakari still activates his technique in his domain. But because his sure hit (the information on his pachinko game) is harmless, it activates very fast.
Base Hakari reaction speed is lesser than Kashimo you can't really argue he manually activated his sure hit there also TL is wrong. It never mention in TCB that he activates his Sure hit faster. Tcb was just talking about sure hit because of his domain.
  • Higuruma's domain comes with an environmental binding vow(?) that stops violence. With that, he has the time to explain the rules of his domain so the technique and sure hit can activate when the trial is over.
All of this is to say there is no such thing as an "automatic sure hit" and Gojo is no exception.
If his technique was truly automatic, it'd be fast to activate and there'd be no reason to highlight Mahito's speed with merging steps and even referencing him again when introducing a faster domain user in Hakari.
I think you are confusing with speed of activation by users and sure hit which is already embedded to barriers which is I meant as automatics since user speed is not required for that like Hakari to activate it. It would automatically activates once barriers are laid out and domain is cast.
Also it'd mean Sukuna and Gojo using their domain at the same time would ALWAYS end with Sukuna getting hit by UV seeing as you believe he has to manually activate his technique after making his barrier and laying out his innate domain, unlike Gojo who you think would have the technique activate automatically. But clearly that doesn't happen until Sukuna is actually late to opening the barrier in the first place which shows they both have to go through all 3 steps for their domain expansion to activate.
Gojo's domain was faster not that he activated his sure hit faster than Sukuna. Nothing you are saying implied they need to go through 3 steps.
Did you forget that Sukuna's handsigns and chants were to keep HWB going? He merely stopped supporting it so it took a few pages for Yuta's domain to completely strip it away just like Kenjaku did Yuki and Sukuna did Gojo.
Yuta clearly needed to fire the sure hit manually from what scan states. Nothing shows or implied that HWB blocking it.
Headcanon.
Yuta copied Yuji's unawakened technique but his looked and acted functionally the same as Sukuna's.
Because how much information Sukuna had about Copy technique? What Yuta used slashed him like Cleave he would go for that assumption. He also states what Yuji is using same technique as his Shrine. Yuji only changed his way of usage into Scissors instead of slashes. Sukuna can also change his cleave into spider web type attack.
It's all up the user interpretation.
And Sukuna calls out Yuji's poor output when he failed to cut his foot off but never made mention of that for Yuta.
First of Sukuna didn't called Yuji's slashes as weak he generalised newly learned techniques output is weak.
In fact he fully believed Yuta gained it from Sukuna's finger so there's absolutely no way it would be low output when Yuta's CT doesn't function that way.
Yuta copying Sukuna's CT doesn't mean his output is on par with Sukuna’s, and the same goes for any other techniques he copies. Yuta himself states that he can't properly use the techniques he copies without having enough information about them. He even needed to learn how to use Cursed Speech from Toge. It's also mentioned that he needs to absorb much larger quantities of body parts — not just something finger-level — for it to be effective. He specifically states that he has to make a Binding Vow to limit its use. You can clearly see that he only uses Cleave once and is surprised when he gets it, implying that he can’t make much use of it. There’s also nothing to suggest that he trained with Cleave enough to use it like Yuji or Sukuna. As you pointed out, Yuta’s Cleave was slowly digging in.
If Gojo could not do that without his entire body being covered in deep gashes first even while healing, Yuki isn't doing it either.
You are comparing Yuta's Slashes to Sukuna's which doesn't work in this case..
Remember that the reason Yuta's cleave looks "weak" and the reason Gojo survived MS is cause cleave scales with the recipients CE amount and toughness, something Sukuna and Gojo have loads of.
Even if you argue for Sukuna is durable. I already explained above there is nothing proves Yuta's proficiency in cleave even comes close to Yuji let alone Sukuna.
Yuki doesn't compare to Yuta in CE amount and as far as I'm aware she has no feats for high level output.
Kenjaku states if Yuki used her domain it wouldn't have turned this boring implying she has enough output to match him and fight for sometime. It wouldn't make sense for Kenny to say that if Yuji gets CT burnout and gets cooked by Kenny's domain instantly.
It doesn't take a long time but she needed a distraction, which she won't have.
Already explained she was trying to grab his leg and containing the black hole in the Tengen barriers. It's has nothing to do with she building up her CE. Kenjaku would have noticed the sparks if that was the case.
 
Before that went through, I was honestly gonna make an argument that 15F should scale to the piercing blood blitz due to being stronger than his weakened self
(Someone needs to calc Sukuna blitzing characters who are roughly mach 3 twice anyway 🥀)

If MHS+ Heavy hitters has been rejected so much thus far, Rela Kashimo (And Gojo, sukuna, and Maho) ain't got a chance in hell
NAH BRO, THEY GON SEE THAT RELA KASHIMO MAKES SENSE AND ACCEPT IT ( TRUST), THEN WE CAN MAKE kasHIMo REMATCH THAT BUM YUTA AND ONE TAP HIM
 
The original match was removed so here we go...again (some things are changed sooooo)
 
Does anybody know Kasumi Miwa's AP/Durability is supposed to be? I've looked almost everywhere and couldn't find it.
 
Should this be re-worded in some way? it looks weird to me, saying "It has a jump" despite going to a lower tier feat, maybe this was a remanent of when the feat was Mountain level so it would have been a jump in power but idk

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Yeah the verse doesn't jump, just one character does. Should just be the god tiers scale to H7C off earthquake.
 
btw, no CE who's the top... like 6 or 7 strongest, because technically most characters with no CE are just average or highly athletic level strength aside from Maki Toji Yuji and Probably TF Sukuna just cause he's massive but pretty much all other characters have zero statements that they, without CE, are superhuman
 
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