Erza vs Sakura: Rematch

[Mickey1940]

So basically the last thread was a clusterf*cked FRA train with none of the Erza supporters addressing the arguments of the Sakura supporters so I decided to remake this

TLDR none of the Erza supporters explained how Erza's arsenal can get past Sakura's regeneration, class T physicals, shunshin travel speed amp, and dura neg, and none of them elaborated on their point of Erza being more skilled other than "she's super duper skilled I swear"

• X791 (Key of the Starry Sky) Erza
• 4th Great Ninja War Sakura, 6-C
• Speed equalized
• In-character
• Fight takes place in Konoha
• Starting distance of 100 meters

Erza:
Sakura:

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Erza FRA

 

[Mickey1940]

Erza FRA

I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to count this cuz there's no reasons above

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Erza FRA

The only thing above is OP buddy...

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Anyways how does erza get pass everything OP mentioned? Especially when it was established in the last thread that sakura would be able to dodge her projectiles without much issue

 

[DavidTPPM]

Erza FRA fr

 

[Shadowslash125]

I may have voted for Erza in the previous thread, but personally, the match shouldn't have even been added in the first place. Almost every FT profile here is outdated as ****, and the profile has jack to work with. I figure she has some new shit if we can go through a revision, but idk how long it'd take to even get Erza adequate enough to be usable. If you guys really want to change the outcome of a match that would ultimately just get removed later down the line, then fine. I might be able to at least answer the dura neg thing.

dura neg

Y'all treating this like this is the real shit dura neg, not the limited one that Chariot had made a staff thread about. Firstly, Erza's wearing armor, so there's no way her dura neg is working on the armored parts. Even if she hits the skin, the scale of the dura neg seems far too weak to leave a substantial injury to the knight. Sakura's limited dura neg isn't even to the level of Yu (Post Santorino Key), where he can damage internal organs and even stop hearts, compared to Sakura's damaging of muscle tendons or whatever.

 

[Mommyleona]

I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to count this cuz there's no reasons above

Im pretty sure they are ragebaiting u

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I may have voted for Erza in the previous thread, but personally, the match shouldn't have even been added in the first place. Almost every FT profile here is outdated as ****, and the profile has jack to work with. I figure she has some new shit if we can go through a revision, but idk how long it'd take to even get Erza adequate enough to be usable. If you guys really want to change the outcome of a match that would ultimately just get removed later down the line, then fine. I might be able to at least answer the dura neg thing.


Y'all treating this like this is the real shit dura neg, not the limited one that Chariot had made a staff thread about. Firstly, Erza's wearing armor,

Wheres the CRT thread that says what it's limits are because the actual profile just describes it as straight up internal dura neg

so there's no way her dura neg is working on the armored parts.

Internal dura neg goes through the armor..

Even if she hits the skin, the scale of the dura neg seems far too weak to leave a substantial injury to the knight. Sakura's limited dura neg isn't even to the level of Yu (Post Santorino Key), where he can damage internal organs and even stop hearts, compared to Sakura's damaging of muscle tendons or whatever.

Ok so you do realize damaging muscle tendons would severly cripple erza and make it impossible to move right?

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Wheres the CRT thread that says what it's limits are because the actual profile just describes it as straight up internal dura neg

Internal dura neg goes through the armor..

Ok so you do realize damaging muscle tendons would severly cripple erza and make it impossible to move right?

Durability Negation (Internals).

Link to the page for reference. Yeah so, for some reason we list attacking internals as "Durability Negation". This is misleading in what durability negation even is, as defined by the page itself "The ability that allows users to damage the target, regardless of their durability." but attacking...

vsbattles.com

This thread revised durability negation. Whether or not Sakura's ability should be considered limited or normal because of this thread is beyond what I am willing to converse about, so don't reply back to me for this.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Durability Negation (Internals).

Link to the page for reference. Yeah so, for some reason we list attacking internals as "Durability Negation". This is misleading in what durability negation even is, as defined by the page itself "The ability that allows users to damage the target, regardless of their durability." but attacking...

vsbattles.com

This thread revised durability negation. Whether or not Sakura's ability should be considered limited or normal because of this thread is beyond what I am willing to converse about, so don't reply back to me for this.

You're grossly strawmanning/misinterpreting what chariot said in that thread.

What chariot is saying in that thread is that internal organs still scale within the same tier of durability as their externals, it's just that because of how they function even the slightest bit of damage would become critical. In this context erzas durability (which is already lower than Sakura's AP) would just down scale to the lowest ends of 6-C that's what chariot is implying which makes sense with the fact he's still acknowledging this as durability midigation he's just saying internal dura neg doesn't just allow you to harm things that scale an entire tier higher than you which was never the argument to begin with.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

You're straight up just strawmanning what chariot said in that thread.

What chariot is saying in that thread is that internal organs still scale within the same tier of durability as their externals it's just that because of how they function even the slightest bit of damage would become critical in this context erzas durability (which is already lower than Sakura's AP) would just down scale to the lowest ends of 6-C that's what chariot is implying which makes sense with the fact he's still acknowledging this as durability midigation he's just saying internal dura neg doesn't just allow you to harm things that scale an entire tier higher than you which was never the argument.

Reread my actual message and quote the correct person for this comment.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Reread my actual message and quote the correct person for this comment.

I would copy and paste them quote exactly where chariot said this but I'm on my phone so that would be mad inconvenient so how about this

DM chariot to join the thread and ask him exactly what he meant by this

 

[DragoZeroNova]

I would copy and paste them quote exactly where chariot said this but I'm on my phone so that would be mad inconvenient so how about this

DM chariot to join the thread and ask him exactly what he meant by this

Since this is clearly hard for you to understand, I will make this as large as possible.
Whether or not Sakura's ability should be considered limited or normal because of this thread is beyond what I am willing to converse about, so don't reply back to me for this.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Since this is clearly hard for you to understand, I will make this as large as possible.
Whether or not Sakura's ability should be considered limited or normal because of this thread is beyond what I am willing to converse about, so don't reply back to me for this.

The thread itself was mostly talking about the logistics being applied towards internal dura neg

Now that i have access to my laptop for a bit i'll just quote stuff chariot said in the thread

" They're in the same ballpark, and in some cases are even tougher (Like needless to say the heart isn't exactly a fragile muscle in pure toughness, it's just even the slightest damage can be critical, but to cut a heart still takes force and energy in the same ballpark as cutting skin and muscle)."


" My point, is that treating attacking internals as some sort of durability negation simply isn't true, it's more akin to durability mitigation. You still need to actually interact with a foe's durability. "

" I don't think I need to explain it in to much detail or the logistics behind it, but, for example, a 6-A's internals would be in the same ballpark as their externals as otherwise even something like a 9-B attack would kill them for the same reason why a shockwave would liquify your organs even if you stood behind a solid wall.
Energy still transfers, vibrations move, etc."

My whole point is that chariot is saying that organs downscale from standard durability but are still within the same tier therefore this thread just makes it to where erzas organs are in the lower ends of 6-C (her tier) sakura would still be more than capable of incaping her because even just moderate organ damage is already lethal

 

[DragoZeroNova]

The thread itself was mostly talking about the logistics being applied towards internal dura neg

Now that i have access to my laptop for a bit i'll just quote stuff chariot said in the thread

" They're in the same ballpark, and in some cases are even tougher (Like needless to say the heart isn't exactly a fragile muscle in pure toughness, it's just even the slightest damage can be critical, but to cut a heart still takes force and energy in the same ballpark as cutting skin and muscle)."


" My point, is that treating attacking internals as some sort of durability negation simply isn't true, it's more akin to durability mitigation. You still need to actually interact with a foe's durability. "

" I don't think I need to explain it in to much detail or the logistics behind it, but, for example, a 6-A's internals would be in the same ballpark as their externals as otherwise even something like a 9-B attack would kill them for the same reason why a shockwave would liquify your organs even if you stood behind a solid wall.
Energy still transfers, vibrations move, etc."

My whole point is that chariot is saying that organs downscale from standard durability but are still within the same tier therefore this thread just makes it to where erzas organs are in the lower ends of 6-C (her tier) sakura would still be more than capable of incaping her because even just moderate organ damage is already lethal

Since this is clearly extremely hard for you to understand, I will make this as large as possible and repeat it multiple times.
Whether or not Sakura's ability should be considered limited or normal because of this thread is beyond what I am willing to converse about, so don't reply back to me for this.
Whether or not Sakura's ability should be considered limited or normal because of this thread is beyond what I am willing to converse about, so don't reply back to me for this.
Whether or not Sakura's ability should be considered limited or normal because of this thread is beyond what I am willing to converse about, so don't reply back to me for this.
Whether or not Sakura's ability should be considered limited or normal because of this thread is beyond what I am willing to converse about, so don't reply back to me for this.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Interesting.

 

[Greatsage13th]

Since this is clearly extremely hard for you to understand, I will make this as large as possible and repeat it multiple times.
Whether or not Sakura's ability should be considered limited or normal because of this thread is beyond what I am willing to converse about, so don't reply back to me for this.
Whether or not Sakura's ability should be considered limited or normal because of this thread is beyond what I am willing to converse about, so don't reply back to me for this.
Whether or not Sakura's ability should be considered limited or normal because of this thread is beyond what I am willing to converse about, so don't reply back to me for this.
Whether or not Sakura's ability should be considered limited or normal because of this thread is beyond what I am willing to converse about, so don't reply back to me for this.

Seriously, are you alright?

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Seriously, are you alright?

I'm perfectly fine. I am questioning if the person named @Delusionaltx2 is capable of reading my messages.
Now that I realize they have delusional in their name, I am also wondering if this is some very elaborate role-play they're performing

 

[Greatsage13th]

I'm perfectly fine. I am questioning if the person named @Delusionaltx2 is capable of reading my messages.
Now that I realize they have delusional in their name, I am also wondering if this is some very elaborate role-play they're performing

Let's not get too spicy around here. Otherwise, you'd cross over the threshold where you'd say things that'd get you into hot waters if this keeps up.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Let's not get too spicy around here. Otherwise, you'd cross over the threshold where you'd say things that'd get you into hot waters if this keeps up.

I know. That's why I chopped off the remainder of my sentence.

 

[Greatsage13th]

the remainder?

 

[DragoZeroNova]

the remainder?

The part I didn't post

 

[Greatsage13th]

I see.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I'll just say as a Naruto supporter, the Sakura duraneg argument is straight ass. Sakura has quite literally never done anything even remotely close to killing or incapping a person through organ damage. And neither did Tsunade - the person who taught her that, or Kabuto - the one person who's medical skills rivaled Tsunades.

Hell canonically the actual 2 taijutsu techniques that can effectively harm the target through organs are gentle fist which is considered THE strongest taijutsu in Konoha which requires a byakugan and is so insanely rare that the hidden cloud literally COMMITTED WAR CRIMES ON CHILDREN FOR IT, and Frog Kata which is considered even superior to that and requires sage mode - something even Jiraya couldn't master. To say any medical ninja could replicate what these extremely rare and difficult techniques can do is pure bullshit. You're basically saying the Cloud could have just had someone learn medical ninjutsu but instead decided to almost start WW3 by kidnapping an innocent 3 year old girl…

This is the same as when yall brought up Katsuyu in the same sentence as you said something Erza only did a few times is "out of character for her". It's completely misleading and not nearly accurate to what Sakura can and does do in-character

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I'm perfectly fine. I am questioning if the person named @Delusionaltx2 is capable of reading my messages.
Now that I realize they have delusional in their name, I am also wondering if this is some very elaborate role-play they're performing

You brought up a thread to try to argue that internal attacks don't dura beg anymore...I'm simply addressing the argument at hand you can't just say "Ah yes don't reply to my argument" in a vs thread

 

[Delusionaltx2]

I'll just say as a Naruto supporter, the Sakura duraneg argument is straight ass. Sakura has quite literally never done anything even remotely close to killing or incapping a person through organ damage. And neither did Tsunade - the person who taught her that, or Kabuto - the one person who's medical skills rivaled Tsunades.

Hell canonically the actual 2 taijutsu techniques that can effectively harm the target through organs are gentle fist which is considered THE strongest taijutsu in Konoha which requires a byakugan and is so insanely rare that the hidden cloud literally COMMITTED WAR CRIMES ON CHILDREN FOR IT, and Frog Kata which is considered even superior to that and requires sage mode - something even Jiraya couldn't master. To say any medical ninja could replicate what these extremely rare and difficult techniques can do is pure bullshit. You're basically saying the Cloud could have just had someone learn medical ninjutsu but instead decided to almost start WW3 by kidnapping an innocent 3 year old girl…

This is the same as when yall brought up Katsuyu in the same sentence as you said something Erza only did a few times is "out of character for her". It's completely misleading and not nearly accurate to what Sakura can and does do in-character

See @DragonZeroNova , this is an actual argument/point

Anyway what about the fact that Sakura can straight up just dodge every projectile since in the last thread nobody explained how erzas danmaku was better than sasoris danmaku And in the same thread it was blatantly shown that said was much better

What about the fact that class T LS basically puts erza at a massive disadvantage at close range

What about the fact that gaining distance once in close range would be near impossible because if shunshin?

 

[DragoZeroNova]

See @DragonZeroNova , this is an actual argument/point

Anyway what about the fact that Sakura can straight up just dodge every projectile since in the last thread nobody explained how erzas danmaku was better than sasoris danmaku And in the same thread it was blatantly shown that said was much better

What about the fact that class T LS basically puts erza at a massive disadvantage at close range

What about the fact that gaining distance once in close range would be near impossible because if shunshin?

Since it seems like you geniunely cannot read anything I say, I will reiterate one last time.
Whether or not Sakura's ability should be considered limited or normal because of this thread is beyond what I am willing to converse about, so don't reply back to me for this.
Whether or not Sakura's ability should be considered limited or normal because of this thread is beyond what I am willing to converse about, so don't reply back to me for this.
Whether or not Sakura's ability should be considered limited or normal because of this thread is beyond what I am willing to converse about, so don't reply back to me for this.
Whether or not Sakura's ability should be considered limited or normal because of this thread is beyond what I am willing to converse about, so don't reply back to me for this.

On the off chance that you somehow confused me with @Shadowslash125: We are not the same individual. I brought that thread up because you asked for it.

Wheres the CRT thread that says what it's limits are because the actual profile just describes it as straight up internal dura neg

Y'all treating this like this is the real shit dura neg, not the limited one that Chariot had made a staff thread about.

I understand, giving you assistance was clearly my mistake. I will endeavour not to give any assistance in the future

 

[Arkenis]

I may have voted for Erza in the previous thread, but personally, the match shouldn't have even been added in the first place. Almost every FT profile here is outdated as ****, and the profile has jack to work with. I figure she has some new shit if we can go through a revision, but idk how long it'd take to even get Erza adequate enough to be usable. If you guys really want to change the outcome of a match that would ultimately just get removed later down the line, then fine. I might be able to at least answer the dura neg thing.

An unfortunate state but then the verse should be shelved for now so people don't use pages. I read FT supporters are practically nonexistent nowadays on the wiki so may never be updated.

I see Sakura's dura neg is an important part of this debate for some reason. From what I read on Erza's page, she has IA, Supernatural Willpower, and pretty good pain endurance. I don't think Sakura's dura neg will be enough to make Erza weak and decrease in stats here. Plus Sakura's example does require her touching the actual body not shooting chakra through armor, which Erza has a ton of.

What happens when Erza just decides to fly and spam ranged attacks when she realizes Sakura's main way of fighting is hands and literally nothing else?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Since it seems like you geniunely cannot read anything I say, I will reiterate one last time.
Whether or not Sakura's ability should be considered limited or normal because of this thread is beyond what I am willing to converse about, so don't reply back to me for this.
Whether or not Sakura's ability should be considered limited or normal because of this thread is beyond what I am willing to converse about, so don't reply back to me for this.
Whether or not Sakura's ability should be considered limited or normal because of this thread is beyond what I am willing to converse about, so don't reply back to me for this.
Whether or not Sakura's ability should be considered limited or normal because of this thread is beyond what I am willing to converse about, so don't reply back to me for this.

On the off chance that you somehow confused me with @Shadowslash125: We are not the same individual. I brought that thread up because you asked for it.

I understand, giving you assistance was clearly my mistake. I will endeavour not to give any assistance in the future

Cool, Im literally saying that if you aren't willing to converse about it then don't respond

Please actually think when reading

 

[Greatsage13th]

Cool, Im literally saying that if you aren't willing to converse about it then don't respond

Please actually think when reading

At this point, I think you should just not respond to the guy or another wall will be lodged in here.

 

[Greatsage13th]

An unfortunate state but then the verse should be shelved for now so people don't use pages. I read FT supporters are practically nonexistent nowadays on the wiki so may never be updated.

I see Sakura's dura neg is an important part of this debate for some reason. From what I read on Erza's page, she has IA, Supernatural Willpower, and pretty good pain endurance. I don't think Sakura's dura neg will be enough to make Erza weak and decrease in stats here. Plus Sakura's example does require her touching the actual body not shooting chakra through armor, which Erza has a ton of.

What happens when Erza just decides to fly and spam ranged attacks when she realizes Sakura's main way of fighting is hands and literally nothing else?

How outdated?

 

[DragoZeroNova]

At this point, I think you should just not respond to the guy or another wall will be lodged in here.

Yeah, I'm convinced there's no way to get through to him, so I'm giving up.

 

[Arkenis]

How outdated?

Idk, ask the guy I quoted. Looking at her history I don't see anything big since 2023

 

[Greatsage13th]

Idk, ask the guy I quoted. Looking at her history I don't see anything big since 2023

Ah- Btw nice pfp switch.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

An unfortunate state but then the verse should be shelved for now so people don't use pages. I read FT supporters are practically nonexistent nowadays on the wiki so may never be updated.

I see Sakura's dura neg is an important part of this debate for some reason. From what I read on Erza's page, she has IA, Supernatural Willpower, and pretty good pain endurance. I don't think Sakura's dura neg will be enough to make Erza weak and decrease in stats here. Plus Sakura's example does require her touching the actual body not shooting chakra through armor, which Erza has a ton of.

What happens when Erza just decides to fly and spam ranged attacks when she realizes Sakura's main way of fighting is hands and literally nothing else?

1. She wouldn't get the chance to because shunshin exists and that would give Sakura a blitz diff advantage in terms of travel speed

2. Sakura would be ragdolling the heck outta her with class T physicals the entire time so the moment she tries to gain elevation she gets punched right back down before she gets out of range.

 

[Arkenis]

2. Sakura would be ragdolling the heck outta her with class T physicals the entire time so the moment she tries to gain elevation she gets punched right back down before she gets out of range.

punching isnt ls

1. She wouldn't get the chance to because shunshin exists and that would give Sakura a blitz diff advantage in terms of travel speed

Sakura rarely uses it

 

[Delusionaltx2]

punching isnt ls

It becomes LS if erza is trying to apply force against it for anything more than a second (i.e clashes and stuff) plus Sakura can also just thrown her back down instead of even use LS to break her armour

Sakura rarely uses it

Isn't shunshin a movement technique that literally every shinobi uses for high speed travel over long distances??? Even if we wanted to say sakura rarely did use it sakura isn't dumb and would see her trying to fly away out of range, shes smart enough to just use it anyway.

 

[DailyFairy]

Voting Erza. She has the ap advantage in base to base (Not really sure why Sakura scales to that Value or where it comes from) and has the advantage with sharp weaponry which is a big no no in Naruto

I don't think Sakura is gonna rush into MR with it's shortening life span thing, especially not in a 1v1 bout. Either way, not sure it's gonna help much with the Holy Hammer negating it's effects once she comes in contact with it since one touch from it negated Real Nightmares effects on everyone for the rest of the arc

Byakugo amp only very slightly puts Sakura above Erza's ap

Even though Erza should be higher than 10.8 by a decent margin considering Wendy could match Erigor who performed the feat and Erza fought and defeated Cobra and scales to Natsu who defeated Midnight who is the strongest of the seis to which the gap becomes negligible at best

This isn't even acknowledging some of her other armors like the morning star armor to blind Sakura or just doing what she did against the A Class monster and using weight + adamantine armor to essentially shatter Sakura's arms

This was a longer comment then I was planning on writing. Anyway Erza vote please and thank you

 

[Arkenis]

It becomes LS if erza is trying to apply force against it for anything more than a second (i.e clashes and stuff) plus Sakura can also just thrown her back down instead of even use LS to break her armour

Idk what you're even talking about atp.

Isn't shunshin a movement technique that literally every shinobi uses for high speed travel over long distances??? Even if we wanted to say sakura rarely did use it sakura isn't dumb and would see her trying to fly away out of range, shes smart enough to just use it anyway.

Yeah every ninja uses it for travel, most don't use it for blitzing unless they're really good at it like Minato or Shisui or they have an opening. Also Erza's armor has speed amps