Bleach: Shaking 3 Universes

[Floxy178]

Here's the feat.

Here's thread where it got accepted.

This thread should be simple. So problem with using Inverse Square Law for this is that it'll require solar system they're in being destroyed let alone the planet (which obviously didn't happen) . Considering that even room was unaffected that's a clear contradiction for method that was used.

As for what to do to replace the calc, since everywhere seems to be affected equally, I'd suggest using total mass (3x universe mass), then assuming frequency and amplitude to find KE.

For example 1 cm amplitude and 30 hz frequency gives me around 8e53 joules or 4-B. Other proposals also would be appreciated. This can also be a reference calc for this type of universe shaking feats where use of ISL is invalid.

That's basically all.

Agree: @Damage3245 @Dalesean027
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Sammy818]

You’ve got my support

 

[Damage3245]

The OP seems reasonable that scaling the feat to this calculated value here (x3 for the three Universes) wouldn't make sense. It does seem to be a uniform shaking rather than energy spreading outward where you'd expect more significant destruction closer to the origin point.

 

[Floxy178]

Thanks for evaluation, I'll mention you as agree for 4-B then.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

NAHH BRO'S STREAK IS INSANE

anyways def agree with the proposal, ISL's very premise is finding out destruction at the epicenter by using destruction at the far edge, if the destruction at the epicenter does not exist then the calc is obviously not applicable here

 

[DavidTPPM]

Yeah this definitely makes much more sense. Common Floxy W

Good luck fixing up all the multipliers and scaling

 

[DragoZeroNova]

I'm the one who's probably going to do that

 

[Ecronicron]

For what it's worth I definitely agree with this, if the energy really was spreading out then the soul palace and the wotl would be experiencing tremors on very different levels which is clearly not the case in the anime

 

[Saqphire]

Yeah this is obviously fine

 

[Arkenis]

For example 1 cm amplitude and 30 hz frequency gives me around 8e53 joules or 4-B. Other proposals also would be appreciated. This can also be a reference calc for this type of universe shaking feats where use of ISL is invalid.

Could you tell me the formula? I have a feat like this.

 

[GodzillavsRayquaza]

Good luck fixing up all the multipliers and scaling

I mean, it’ll just put everyone who scaled to this feat scaling to Gremmy instead.

 

[AlternativePrinciple]

Bros going after everyone

Looks good tho, I agree

 

[Robo432343]

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Looks good

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

How much does this actually change? Since 4-A still exists outside of this. I forgot exact values and if there'd be a slight downgrade

 

[Da3ggman]

It’s truly the end of an era…(Galaxy level Bleach)

Agree FRA

 

[DavidTPPM]

I mean, it’ll just put everyone who scaled to this feat scaling to Gremmy instead.

The gremmy feat was kinda relying on this feats 4A values to begin with. Without it, we've always considered Gremmy to be an outlier meaning with such a change Gremmy's feat should go back to what it used to be.

 

[Qurbonboev]

Could you tell me the formula? I have a feat like this.

Trying to find this formula, I think it's E=2*(pi^2)m(A^2)*(f^2), where m is mass, A is amplitude, and f is frequency.
Using values that OP provide as example(30hz frequency and 1cm amplitude) and mass of observable universe(1.5*10^53) it gives me 2.67*10^53(since there is 3 universes, final answer with this formula is 8*10^53, same as OP)

 

[Qawsedf234]

How much does this actually change? Since 4-A still exists outside of this. I forgot exact values and if there'd be a slight downgrade

If the Gremmy imagination stuff becomes the new base value, then all rating are one-third of their current AP values.

EDIT: I'm wrong actually. Gremmy's creation feat, if accepted as 4-A, is actually superior to the universe shaking stuff in terms of AP value.

Creating a pocket dimension containing a starry sky
Average star distance that human can see in starry night: (4 to 4000 light years)/2 = 2002 light years = 1.894e19 meters
The Gravitational Binding Energy of the sun for the average stars = 5.693e41 Joules
The radius of the sun for the average star: 695510000 m
4*5.693e41*(1.894e19/695510000)^2 = 1.688e63 Joules, (Multi-Solar System level)
It yields: 1.688e63 Joules (Multi-Solar System level)

Magnitude 2: 6.309573e+7 times 2.4320086e+54, 1.5344936e+62 Joules/3.66752772e+52 Tons of TNT/1.53449357983 Exafoe, Multi Solar System level

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

The gremmy feat was kinda relying on this feats 4A values to begin with. Without it, we've always considered Gremmy to be an outlier meaning with such a change Gremmy's feat should go back to what it used to be.

I'm pretty sure this feat is still supportive, so I don't think 4-A feat is really an outlier tbh.

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

If the Gremmy imagination stuff becomes the new base value, then all rating are one-third of their current AP values.

EDIT: I'm wrong actually. Gremmy's creation feat, if accepted as 4-A, is actually superior to the universe shaking stuff in terms of AP value.

You're looking at the wrong Magnitude, M4 is the currently accepted end for Senjumaru which is the bigger number

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Also guys c'mon, thread's about Senjumaru's feat not Gremmy, let's not go off topic

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

The gremmy feat was kinda relying on this feats 4A values to begin with. Without it, we've always considered Gremmy to be an outlier meaning with such a change Gremmy's feat should go back to what it used to be.

Not really. Senjumarus feat is already just extremely casual, so it's not like it creates any sort of contradictions or incoherence. It doesn't break any consistency. A single difference in tier (especially when the lower feat done by higher character is less than the movement of their pinky) isn't really a reason to just make something an outlier.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Not really. Senjumarus feat is already just extremely casual, so it's not like it creates any sort of contradictions or incoherence. It doesn't break any consistency. A single difference in tier isn't really a reason to just make something an outlier.

Well for one, the difference is almost 200 million times which is a bigger difference than between 8-C and 6-C. So given how insanely indirect and vague Gremmy's feat is (dude who struggles to create meteors creating thousands of stars just to use the properties of the vacuum of space using a hax ability), I think the dozens of millions of times difference is more than enough to be an outlier.


But more importantly Ghost is right, that's not the focus of this thread. There's no point in discussing it here at it'll just derail the thread from what it's actually about.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Also guys c'mon, thread's about Senjumaru's feat not Gremmy, let's not go off topic

But it's not off topic. The scaling chain is built on that feat. If its downgraded the deciding factor is to either go with Gremmy or with the new value for shaking the universes.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

It should be to Gremmy. If anyone believes that Gremmy's feat should then not be considered for scaling, you should make a CRT about it if this thread passes.

If anyone wishes to make that kind of thread, you should announce it if this thread passes and we can wait to apply values until that thread concludes so I don't need to revise profiles twice

 

[Robo432343]

It should be to Gremmy. If anyone believes that Gremmy's feat should then not be considered for scaling, you should make a CRT about it if this thread passes.

but someone also has to make a CRT explaining why it should be used for scaling

 

[Ghostimuscrime]

But it's not off topic. The scaling chain is built on that feat. If its downgraded the deciding factor is to either go with Gremmy or with the new value for shaking the universes.

the scaling chain does not affect the legitimacy of the feat which this is about as it's a calc thread, not a scaling thread, approved calc additions/removals still require accepted CRTs to apply to scaling chains and profiles.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

but someone also has to make a CRT explaining why it should be used for scaling

It already is. If someone wants to disprove Gremmy's scaling, they have to make a CRT about it.

 

[AppleLord]

This thread should be simple.

So problem with using Inverse Square Law for this is that it'll require solar system they're in being destroyed let alone the planet (which obviously didn't happen) . Considering that even room was unaffected that's a clear contradiction for method that was used.

It does seem to be a uniform shaking rather than energy spreading outward where you'd expect more significant destruction closer to the origin point.

Other proposals also would be appreciated.

That's basically all.

 

[KLOL506]

@DontTalkDT @Executor_N0 @Migue79

 

[Floxy178]

Even if it's stated as such it doesn't change anything as contradiction I mentioned holds still. That shock should have had MASSIVE concentration at the start which wasn't portrayed like that.

For example when we prefer destruction over KE and invalidate KE value if it's contradicted by shown destruction, it doesn't mean we're denying object had KE. So bringing up "it's actually omnidirectional" doesn't help imo as it doesn't behave like that in the first place.

Edit: Also, please let's not derail this thread with discussion that needs to be handled in CRT.

 

[Qurbonboev]

For example 1 cm amplitude and 30 hz frequency gives me around 8e53 joules or 4-B

These specific values are just for example, yes? Someone should look at how trembling was portrayed, and give reasonable estimates of amplitude and frequency.
Alternatively, you can use values from actual earthquakes

 

[Floxy178]

These specific values are just for example, yes? Someone should look at how trembling was portrayed, and give reasonable estimates of amplitude and frequency.
Alternatively, you can use values from actual earthquakes

I believe thess 2 were most used/accepted assumptions in-wiki. But yeah it's just an example to show what will recalc look like approximately.

 

[Qurbonboev]

I believe thess 2 were most used/accepted assumptions in-wiki. But yeah it's just an example to show what will recalc look like approximately.

From here:
"Charles F. Richter devised his magnitude scale in the mid-1930s while investigating earthquakes in California. He used seismographs which magnified ground motion 2800 times, and as a baseline, he defined a magnitude 0 earthquake as being one that would produce a record with an amplitude of one-thousandth of a millimeter at a distance of 100 kilometers from the epicenter. From that baseline, magnitudes can go either up or down with multiples of ten in ground motion (and deflection on the record) representing individual steps in the Richter scale. For instance, if a deflection of one-thousandth of a millimeter at a distance of 100 kilometers indicates a magnitude 0 earthquake, then motion of 1 millimeter (three orders of magnitude or 1000 times the motion of the magnitude 0 earthquake) at the same distance would represent a magnitude 3 earthquake"
Correcting for the fact earthquake magnitude falter with distance, you can make formula of A=(10^(M-1,3556))/2800000), where A is amplitude in metres, and M is local magnitude(this formula shouldn't be used for very strong earthquakes). Since accepted magnitude for Senjimaru feat is 4, amplitude should be 0.16 mm.
Frequency: most sources say that they range from 0.2 to 30hz.
Calculating total energy:
1. Low end(1 hz frequency): 2.2*10^47, 2200 Foe, 4-B
2. Medium end(5 hz): 5.5*10^48, 55000 Foe, 4-B
3. High end(10hz): 2.2*10^49, 220000 Foe, 4-B

 

[Damage3245]

But it's not off topic. The scaling chain is built on that feat. If its downgraded the deciding factor is to either go with Gremmy or with the new value for shaking the universes.

That would be handled in a new CRT, not this thread.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

If possible, I would appreciate a proper recalc so we can link it to the verse page, especially if the example in the OP is just an example, not a finalized calc.
In addition, I will post how the numbers will look if this thread pasts in a few minutes to make it easier to adjust any numbers (I am assuming regardless of the calculation, it will be lower then Gremmy's calc)

 

[Floxy178]

Edit: Also, please let's not derail this thread with discussion that needs to be handled in CRT.

From now on any off-topic post will be requested to be deleted.

 

[Damage3245]

I'll be deleting irrelevant comments here. Nothing will change in the profiles directly as a result of this thread; only when a CRT is made and passed.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

I'll be deleting irrelevant comments here. Nothing will change in the profiles directly as a result of this thread; only when a CRT is made and passed.

Can you post the comment I had about the scaling on my profile so I can copy it down

 

[Apotheosis69]

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What is the exact calculation result? Like with decimal points for the "8e53"