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Bleach: Shaking 3 Universes

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Damage3245 said:
The OP seems reasonable that scaling the feat to this calculated value here (x3 for the three Universes) wouldn't make sense. It does seem to be a uniform shaking rather than energy spreading outward where you'd expect more significant destruction closer to the origin point.
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If I'm not mistaken, there are not three universes, but only three realms in a single universe separated by dimensions and being multi-galaxy in size
 
IvarUHQ said:
If I'm not mistaken, there are not three universes, but only three realms in a single universe separated by dimensions and being multi-galaxy in size
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Since human world contains Earth and stuff, it should at least be observable universe sized due to wiki assumptions. The rest idk.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Since human world contains Earth and stuff, it should at least be observable universe sized due to wiki assumptions. The rest idk.
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It contains the earth and celestial bodies, just like a galaxy also contains celestial bodies. There's nothing complicated about it, I just said that the three realms are in the same universe but dimensionally separated
 
I think, there is a problem in the values assumed. For example, the amplitude is far greater than 1cm, lmao. In fact, it seemingly varies depending on how close people are to Senjumaru. For example, for Ichigo's party, the amplitude feels like almost 10 cm, for Kyoraku, it feels indeed like 1-2cm,and for isshin it looks like around 4-5 cm (considering the distance between the pov and him). Which doesn't make much sense given Isshin should be farther from her than Kyoraku.

I think the only way it makes sense is if we assume it feels the same everywhere, but varies in intensity between two given time intervals. In which case, we should still treat amplitude as being that shown from ichigo and his friends' pov, which, again, should be around 10 cm. It is crucial to consider, this is indeed but "the slightest use" of her true power and she should still scale above gremmy, but as others already said, that's another story. Here's the video:

 
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ItsMeat said:
I think, there is a problem in the values assumed. For example, the amplitude is far greater than 1cm, lmao. In fact, it seemingly varies depending on how close people are to Senjumaru. For example, for Ichigo's party, the amplitude feels like almost 10 cm, for Kyoraku, it feels indeed like 1-2cm,and for isshin it looks like around 4-5 cm (considering the distance between the pov and him). Which doesn't make much sense given Isshin should be farther from her than Kyoraku.

I think the only way it makes sense is if we assume it feels the same everywhere, but varies in intensity between two given time intervals. In which case, we should still treat amplitude as being that shown from ichigo and his friends' pov, which, again, should be around 10 cm. It is crucial to consider, this is indeed but "the slightest use" of her true power and she should still scale above gremmy, but as others already said, that's another story. Here's the video:

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So how are you planning to account for that other than taking minimum one as lowball?
 
Floxy178 said:
So how are you planning to account for that other than taking minimum one as lowball?
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Would it be possible to use the average amount either just as an average or because it was the last one used (Maybe you could argue that it was like a wave with the 10cm at the start of the initial wave then the 1cm at the end, stabilizing at 4-5cm?) Or would this be completely wrong and not how that works at all?
 
DragonZeroNova said:
Would it be possible to use the average amount either just as an average or because it was the last one used (Maybe you could argue that it was like a wave with the 10cm at the start of the initial wave then the 1cm at the end, stabilizing at 4-5cm?) Or would this be completely wrong and not how that works at all?
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I'm fairly sure it won't be "average" as further distance will have bigger area that encompasses said amplitude. (in simple words if you assume that amplitude linearly drops with distance then actual average would be less than 5 cm uniform shaking calc)

But I think I can do something to calculate it. I'll try to share it later today, result will be probably between 10-100x higher.
 
Floxy178 said:
So how are you planning to account for that other than taking minimum one as lowball?
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The max value is still her feat and it is still but the slightest use of her true power. I think that one should be used tbh.
 
ItsMeat said:
The max value is still her feat and it is still but the slightest use of her true power. I think that one should be used tbh.
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Doesn't matter if highest one doesn't involve all mass.
 
ItsMeat said:
I think, there is a problem in the values assumed. For example, the amplitude is far greater than 1cm, lmao. In fact, it seemingly varies depending on how close people are to Senjumaru. For example, for Ichigo's party, the amplitude feels like almost 10 cm, for Kyoraku, it feels indeed like 1-2cm,and for isshin it looks like around 4-5 cm (considering the distance between the pov and him). Which doesn't make much sense given Isshin should be farther from her than Kyoraku.

I think the only way it makes sense is if we assume it feels the same everywhere, but varies in intensity between two given time intervals. In which case, we should still treat amplitude as being that shown from ichigo and his friends' pov, which, again, should be around 10 cm. It is crucial to consider, this is indeed but "the slightest use" of her true power and she should still scale above gremmy, but as others already said, that's another story. Here's the video:

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Reminds me of Las Nochas situation where inconsistency between measurements was all over the place.

I also noticed the shockwaves traveled between the dimensional barriers of Soul Society and the World of the Living which makes the feat somewhat vague from a reasonable standpoint... I suppose we can draw a default conclusion here with what method should we proceed with?
 
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Floxy178 said:
She needs to shake all of it at that amplitude to use highest value.
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I proposed we should assume she really did this since the amplitude was shown to vary somewhat logically understandable between given time periods, yet irregularly if we assume those povs were all at the same time. Basically, from ichigo's pov we see it the strongest, from kyoraku's, the weakest and from isshin somewhere between them, even if Kyoraku was closer to her than isshin.

Then, there is another explanation for kyoraku- he was inside seiretei, protected by the soul membrane(which was shown to move furiously as if it was absorbing/blocking most of senjumaru's reiatus's force). In this case, the amplitude varries at an interdimensional range, making any assumed value of it gradually getting weaker the farther from senjumaru you are innapplicable. I honestly believe this is actually the best way to calc the feat as it matches both statements and feats, while causing no contradiction, unlike any other option
 
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I certainly agree with the math Floxy is proposing here. The effects on the immediate area are very minimal.

As for it being the slightest use of their power. Senjumaru isn't exactly a humble character. Furthermore she achieved this feat by going bankai which is the strongest thing in her arsenal. It inherently amplfies all her stats far beyond anything she could ever achieve in base.

I also think assuming timeframes and amplitudes across the worlds. Doesn't make for a strong argument. I'm much more comfortable with the one Floxy provided.
 
Snakes said:
I certainly agree with the math Floxy is proposing here. The effects on the immediate area are very minimal.

As for it being the slightest use of their power. Senjumaru isn't exactly a humble character. Furthermore she achieved this feat by going bankai which is the strongest thing in her arsenal. It inherently amplfies all her stats far beyond anything she could ever achieve in base.

I also think assuming timeframes and amplitudes across the worlds. Doesn't make for a strong argument. I'm much more comfortable with the one Floxy provided.
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In regards to it being the slightest use of power, this is what is stated in the series, not an inference. She says even the slightest amount of her true power would shake the three realms, which is exactly what happens. I don't understand what you're trying to suggest in your second point. Is it that since she's using her Bankai, that must be her full strength? Because that is just flat out wrong. She is using what she can of her full abilities to a very safe degree, so that she doesn't kill everyone and thus making their purpose meaningless.
 
Snakes said:
I also think assuming timeframes and amplitudes across the worlds. Doesn't make for a strong argument. I'm much more comfortable with the one Floxy provided.
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Floxy's method completely ignores the massive amplitude distance where Ichigo was just for the sake of a lowball which isn't going to be accurate and thus the calc gets undermined from the start. ItsMeat's method not only accounts for that, but also with the canon statement someone else sent to reconcile everything together
 
Saqphire said:
Floxy's method completely ignores the massive amplitude distance where Ichigo was just for the sake of a lowball which isn't going to be accurate and thus the calc gets undermined from the start.
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If you believe that it's lower than actual result then it's pretty much usable unless someone comes up with more accurate one.
Saqphire said:
ItsMeat's method not only accounts for that, but also with the canon statement someone else sent to reconcile everything together
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So taking one which is simply higher than actual result instead of lower is somehow more accurate? That's even worse than using average.
 
DragonZeroNova said:
In regards to it being the slightest use of power, this is what is stated in the series, not an inference. She says even the slightest amount of her true power would shake the three realms, which is exactly what happens. I don't understand what you're trying to suggest in your second point. Is it that since she's using her Bankai, that must be her full strength? Because that is just flat out wrong. She is using what she can of her full abilities to a very safe degree, so that she doesn't kill everyone and thus making their purpose meaningless.
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Okay but just because the slightest use of her power makes the realms tremble doesn't mean what we SEE is her lowest.

It could easily be that the slightest use of her power would make the realms shake by the same amount as like, a magnitude 1 or 2 earthquake which most people won't even notice, while her regular output is what we actually see. Like yeah the slightest use of her power will make the realms tremble by an unknown amount, but the highest use of her power will also make them tremble just to a higher degree.

Either way this is not really relevant for this thread as this thread is to decide the value, not the scaling. But saying it's her lowest output because even her lowest output can cause some shaking is just illogical.
 
I think my first suggestion(which I already disagreed with because of the soul membrane thing), the timeframes thing, is in fact wrong. In episode 1 of cour 3, we see the shaking from only one pov and it takes a very short time on the screen.

So, the only things I have left to say about this are the wrong values initially assumed by op and the calc method I proposed.
 
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