500 John EBG CRT's (MORE HEAT???)

[Arkansalter2]

I guess John EBG needs more heat... get it? Heh..
Anyways in this CRT, it was accepted for exploding sun level heats to be only 5500 kelvin coming from this feat. Wait a damn minute... that don't seem right... exploding stars literally reach billions of kelvin.

I think they may have confused it for surface of a star rather than it exploding. I think the heat resistance should be upgraded to around this value, or at least possibly this value.
This will get us to:
At Least 5500K, possibly 100 Billion Kelvin
Or alternative option: Sun core heat. 5500, possibly 15 Million Kelvin
Uhh.yeah thanks.

 

[AthelChan]

lmao ur reaching but lets see...

 

[Delusionaltx2]

neutral atm

I'll just see where this goes ig

 

[NikHelton]

This star isn't even as big as a neural star (its diameter is literally 10-15 meters). Do we have any reason to believe its temperature will be like that of a real star?

By the way, have you considered doing a calculation of this star? It could yield tier 6 results, I suppose.

 

[Arkansalter2]

This star isn't even as big as a neural star (its diameter is literally 10-15 meters). Do we have any reason to believe its temperature will be like that of a real star?

By the way, have you considered doing a calculation of this star? It could yield tier 6 results, I suppose.

Tier 8 tops as Emby said.

Do we have any reason to believe its temperature will be like that of a real star?

According to it's description, it states "Form a burning sun that fires several condensed beams, followed by its own destruction."
This is all I can work with along with scans and the EBG wiki.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

This star isn't even as big as a neural star (its diameter is literally 10-15 meters). Do we have any reason to believe its temperature will be like that of a real star?

my main concern with this point but whatevs

By the way, have you considered doing a calculation of this star? It could yield tier 6 results, I suppose.

@Arkansalter2 this is a chance to get ebg outta tier 7

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Tier 8 tops as Emby said.

You can still prob heat calc this (which would be way better ngl)

 

[Arkansalter2]

my main concern with this point but whatevs

@Arkansalter2 this is a chance to get ebg outta tier 7

If I was smart, then sure.

 

[Gamecooob]

If I was smart, then sure.

Arkansalter2

 

[Arkansalter2]

Arkansalter2

Listen man. This is the only calc I did but only because I had actual numbers to work with.
Now if I was smart with pixel scaling and stuff, I would have been calced this lmfao.

 

[NikHelton]

Tier 8 tops as Emby said

Idk, bro, I remember the calculation for the miniature sun from Fullmetal Alchemist and it gave 6-C or something like that

 

[NikHelton]

Слушай, чувак. Это единственный расчёт, который я провёл, но только потому, что у меня были реальные цифры для работы.
Вот если бы я разбирался в масштабировании пикселей и всем таком, я бы это вычислил, лол.

This is a work of art

 

[Arkansalter2]

Bump.

 

[NikHelton]

Bump.

Tag mods

 

[Arkansalter2]

Tag mods

Pings won't work trying to tag them. I'll have to pester and message mods which I've already done.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Bump.

 

[Vietthai96]

The feat doesn't even look like a real sun, let alone an exploding star. Even if we ignore how cartoonish the feat look and accept it at face value, the description literally said it is a sun. The Sun is a yellow main sequence star that is below the Chandrasekhar limit; star below this threshold will not explode into a Supernova which is what you are arguing in the OP, even the feat show the "sun" burning the victim slowly, star explode will have a short timeframe of being extremely hot until it get colder so even possibly rating is out of the question.

All and all, i disagree with the thread

 

[Arkansalter2]

The feat doesn't even look like a real sun, let alone an exploding star

You're missing something.

According to it's description, it states "Form a burning sun that fires several condensed beams, followed by its own destruction."

So according to the game, it is infact a sun.
The element is called Solar.
His ultimate literally creates a star that shoots lasers and crap. Proof? Acording to the description, it states: "Create a sun that entraps victims within a spiraling cage of fire following up with a devastating explosion."
He can summon a mini star next to him. Proof? This states: Create a small sun above you that constantly damages people nearby and blinds those who look at it.
So John EBG does in fact create suns.
Devs making the sun look realistic like arcane oddysey levels of real is like the least of the devs concern at this time (mostly because development of said game has ended). So I literally got these from the game itself.

 

[Arkansalter2]

John EBG has several celestial body related moves.
Neutron Punch (neutron star shenanigans, 10 million kelvin) and then Supernova (Hundreds of millions of kelvin) to name a few, both coming from the Space element and according to the descriptions:
"User grabs their opponent with a white star hand and deals a high damage and knockback punch."
"User slowly pulls in nearby players and then explodes as a supernova dealing high knockback and damage."
Respectively. So Player has several star related moves that can be used as further justifications.

 

[Delusionaltx2]

John EBG has several celestial body related moves.
Neutron Punch (neutron star shenanigans, 10 million kelvin) and then Supernova (Hundreds of millions of kelvin) to name a few, both coming from the Space element and according to the descriptions:
"User grabs their opponent with a white star hand and deals a high damage and knockback punch."
"User slowly pulls in nearby players and then explodes as a supernova dealing high knockback and damage."
Respectively. So Player has several star related moves that can be used as further justifications.

This kinda has the same problems that the first one had which was proving these stars had the energy of real ones

the only thing to go off of here is "well it's called a star!" but thats a very blatant name fallacy so we can't use that

 

[Arkansalter2]

the only thing to go off of here is "well it's called a star!" but thats a very blatant name fallacy so we can't use that

Going off of names and descriptions (as well as the elemental battlegrounds wiki) is literally the only thing I can do. I can't do WOG as the EBG server has been closed for the longest.
I literally have to go off of what the game says.

 

[Vietthai96]

So according to the game, it is infact a sun.
The element is called Solar.
His ultimate literally creates a star that shoots lasers and crap. Proof? Acording to the description, it states: "Create a sun that entraps victims within a spiraling cage of fire following up with a devastating explosion."
He can summon a mini star next to him. Proof? This states: Create a small sun above you that constantly damages people nearby and blinds those who look at it.
So John EBG does in fact create suns.

yeah, no, still a Sun, Sun don't explode , also can Sun even shot laser?

and wth is a mini star, Brown Dwarf? and small sun?

John EBG has several celestial body related moves.
Neutron Punch (neutron star shenanigans, 10 million kelvin) and then Supernova (Hundreds of millions of kelvin) to name a few, both coming from the Space element and according to the descriptions:
"User grabs their opponent with a white star hand and deals a high damage and knockback punch."
"User slowly pulls in nearby players and then explodes as a supernova dealing high knockback and damage."
Respectively. So Player has several star related moves that can be used as further justifications.

Name fallacy

Devs making the sun look realistic like arcane oddysey levels of real is like the least of the devs concern at this time (mostly because development of said game has ended). So I literally got these from the game itself.

No, not really, not to be rude, but this look like an excuse. we have shit need to be real to index with real statistics. we have a lot of fiction with ability to create black hole thing, but if they doesn't act like the real black hole, with gravity, time dilation, gamma bursts, etc... we do not accept them to be real black hole and only indexing what they show in the verse

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Going off of names and descriptions (as well as the elemental battlegrounds wiki) is literally the only thing I can do. I can't do WOG as the EBG server has been closed for the longest.
I literally have to go off of what the game says.

Going off descriptions alone isn't inherently wrong if the descriptions actually demonstrate the properties of whatever ur saying

For example EBGs light speed scaling using illusion works because Illusions description mentions the properies of light while showing it acting like real light

This doesn't show anything that suggests the stars in question would be 1:1 with real stars which is what you'd be implying in order to make this work, it dosen't have any statements that imply its tempretures scale that high, it dosen't have anything implying its as dense as an actual star, it dosen't have anything suggesting it contains that amount of energy

The literal only thing this statement has is that it calls it a star, which again...massive nominal/name fallacy

 

[Arkansalter2]

yeah, no, still a Sun, Sun don't explode , also can Sun even shot laser?

This is a roblox game. In this game, it does. It doesn't happen but they made it happen.

and wth is a mini star, Brown Dwarf? and small sun?

Roblox game. Yes, he can do that. The same guy that an summon a damn clock from the sky to time stop.

Name fallacy

Well what else am I supposed to do? WOG it? Also not even listed on the fallacies page anyway.

No, not really, not to be rude, but this look like an excuse. we have shit need to be real to index with real statistics. we have a lot of fiction with ability to create black hole thing, but if they doesn't act like the real black hole, with gravity, time dilation, gamma bursts, etc... we do not accept them to be real black hole and only indexing what they show in the verse

I'm not doing the black hole orb thing, that's out the question.
But devs doing arcane oddysey levels of detail and shenanigans for elemental battlegrounds is out the questio. The game hasn't even been updated siginificantly in roughly 3 years.

it dosen't have any statements that imply its tempretures scale that high, it dosen't have anything implying its as dense as an actual star, it dosen't have anything suggesting it contains that amount of energy

Most things that come from the game are just gameplay, wiki, and names & descriptions. That's it. No cutscenes are in this game whatsoever.

I think this is a load of crap to be honest. I can't work off of descriptions of what the moves literally do and I have to run off of nonexistent statements? How the hell am I supposed to get those said statements like I said earlier?

I can't do WOG as the EBG server has been closed for the longest.

So now what?

 

[Vietthai96]

I'm not doing the black hole orb thing, that's out the question.
But devs doing arcane oddysey levels of detail and shenanigans for elemental battlegrounds is out the questio. The game hasn't even been updated siginificantly in roughly 3 years.

the black hole argument is a comparison, an example about how and when we agree thing being 1:1 with real life, so the suppose sun should act like real one to use real statistics

So now what?

probably just keep the current accepted statistic, tbf this is me being lenient

 

[Arkansalter2]

so the suppose sun should act like real one to use real statistics

But it's exploding so then what?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

This is a roblox game. In this game, it does. It doesn't happen but they made it happen.

Are you saying that it shooting lasers is a game mechanic? You could have at least explained it with the fact that this is them controling it to preform an attack rather than use that as an excuse since it dosen't justify the main premise of this thread which is this being an actual star

Roblox game. Yes, he can do that. The same guy that an summon a damn clock from the sky to time stop.

Ur argument relies on equating the star "In game" to stars in real life therefore some connection between IRL logic and the game must be followed...all your doing is proving that the star in game dosen't follow that

Well what else am I supposed to do? WOG it?

Just don't use it?

Also not even listed on the fallacies page anyway.

Fallacies in it of themselves are errors in logic they aren't just rules vsb made up. what a nominal fallacy intails is X making the assumption that Y is Z because it is called Z which is very flawed logic.

I'm not doing the black hole orb thing, that's out the question.
But devs doing arcane oddysey levels of detail and shenanigans for elemental battlegrounds is out the questio.

Appeal to design...

The game hasn't even been updated siginificantly in roughly 3 years.

Dude if your mad about that just move on to another game...roblox has like millions of other games out there I literally found like 3 verses all with the potential to scale higher than EBG (Block tales, pizza game, and parry!!!)

john gear may be another canidit since from what i've seen he has some 8A calcs so with some updates its possible for him to be 7-C

john combat initiation still also gets updates (althrough not that frequently) and he already has some solid stuff

There's plenty of decent options you can move to

Most things that come from the game are just gameplay, wiki, and names & descriptions. That's it. No cutscenes are in this game whatsoever.

Then you use gameplay, wiki, and names backed up with descriptions...if you don't like that just look at another game

I think this is a load of crap to be honest. I can't work off of descriptions of what the moves literally do and I have to run off of nonexistent statements? How the hell am I supposed to get those said statements like I said earlier?

Either hope and pray EBG gets updates in 2106 or move to a different game...as mentioned above there a ton of other games that could also be fun and potentially have similar or even higher scaling

So now what?

You tell me

 

[NikHelton]

But it's exploding so then what?

The point is, injecting a 5,000-degree temperature into a miniature Sun simply because that's what the attack is called is already a bold move.

The real Sun is colossal in size and has colossal energy reserves, fueled by various fusion processes and reactions.
The diameter of this core is barely a meter. Is there any reason to believe that this would create an explosion with a temperature of millions of degrees?

 

[Delusionaltx2]

But it's exploding so then what?

Then prove it has the same energy and properties unique to real stars or call off the CRT

 

[Delusionaltx2]

The point is, injecting a 5,000-degree temperature into a miniature Sun simply because that's what the attack is called is already a bold move.

The real Sun is colossal in size and has colossal energy reserves, fueled by various fusion processes and reactions.
The diameter of this core is barely a meter. Is there any reason to believe that this would create an explosion with a temperature of millions of degrees?

This is a depiction of how much bigger the sun is than earth btw

 

[Vietthai96]

But it's exploding so then what?

Sun can't explode, and even if it were to explode, we don't know the real heat level of an exploding Sun, no mathematical solution for it because we need to know how it act when it's exploding and how it explode, so even if i'm going to accept it, you will get an Unknown , or something as At Least 5500K, possibly higher

Or 15 million degrees Celsius due to the Sun's core, though i will refrain from using the sun core because it is a wild claim

 

[Arkansalter2]

Ur argument relies on equating the star "In game" to stars in real life therefore some connection between IRL logic and the game must be followed...all your doing is proving that the star in game dosen't follow that

John EBG has a habit of just summoning shit from thin air. If he just summons a sun from thin air, then it's definitely possibly.

15 million degrees Celsius due to the Sun's core

Can I pretty please run off with this?
He literally just straight up throws the sun at the guy which should include a decent amount of it being the core and stuff.

 

[Vietthai96]

Can I pretty please run off with this?
He literally just straight up throws the sun at the guy which should include a decent amount of it being the core and stuff.

well, i'm neutral with the use of the sun core, but if other staff accept it then oke then, probably you should ask them

 

[NikHelton]

Sun can't explode, and even if it were to explode, we don't know the real heat level of an exploding Sun, no mathematical solution for it because we need to know how it act when it's exploding and how it explode, so even if i'm going to accept it, you will get an Unknown , or something as At Least 5500K, possibly higher

Or 15 million degrees Celsius due to the Sun's core, though i will refrain from using the sun core because it is a wild claim

Sun's core is so hot because of the amount of internal energy. In fact, stars fade and go dark over time.

The radius of the Sun's core is over 150,000 kilometers. The radius of the EBG core is about 4 meters, using the same proportions.

Its volume is 5.2734375×10^22 times smaller.

 

[Arkansalter2]

Players can survive facetanking the sun clean to the face (If the player so wants to just tumble straight into it).

 

[NikHelton]

well, i'm neutral with the use of the sun core, but if other staff accept it then oke then, probably you should ask them

Can you, please, ping @Damage3245, @KLOL506 and @Dalesean027 so that they can express their thoughts?

 

[Vietthai96]

Sun's core is so hot because of the amount of internal energy. In fact, stars fade and go dark over time.

The radius of the Sun's core is over 150,000 kilometers. The radius of the EBG core is about 4 meters, using the same proportions.

Its volume is 5.2734375×10^22 times smaller.

well, that is, if we goes literal and accept the "Sun" in the game as real, but if we goes for stricter route, it isn't even qualify as real Sun thus no unknown Heat level,

Also no, the stars doesn't fade and go dark over time, they will burn their fuel until it lost, actually. Except for Red Dwarf which fizzle out after they lose their hydrogen, star like Sun will go to the giant phase when they lose hydrogen; they will start fusing heavier elements which in turn require more energy, thus they get hotter. Only White Dwarf get colder and go dark over time, into Black Dwarf, Heavier Star will turn into either Neutron Star or Black Hole

@Damage3245 , @KLOL506 and @Dalesean027

Sorry for the ping, but look like this thread require you guys' attention and evaluation

 

[Delusionaltx2]

Can you, please, ping @Damage3245, @KLOL506 and @Dalesean027 so that they can express their thoughts?

Actually yeah ping them over

The second I see them I'll pester them for their evaluation on some block tales calcs

 

[NikHelton]

well, that is, if we goes literal and accept the "Sun" in the game as real, but if we goes for stricter route, it isn't even qualify as real Sun thus no unknown Heat level,

Also no, the stars doesn't fade and go dark over time, they will burn their fuel until it lost, actually. Except for Red Dwarf which fizzle out after they lose their hydrogen, star like Sun will go to the giant phase when they lose hydrogen; they will start fusing heavier elements which in turn require more energy, thus they get hotter. Only White Dwarf get colder and go dark over time, into Black Dwarf, Heavier Star will turn into either Neutron Star or Black Hole

Yes, that's what I was talking about. Without fuel, there's no energy.
A miniature star doesn't have enough fuel to sustain that level of heat.

 

[Gamecooob]

yea na.

not only does the move not look like a star actually exploding like they do IRL (it just kinda expands then goes poof ig, no gasses or elements being released)

we kinda cant quantify it by the heat of IRL supernovae anyway, because that spell cant really be compared to an IRL star in A) Mass B) Energy released from exploding


no bueno