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Devil May Cry: Lady's profile rework

Drite77

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Hello, it is not secret that Lady's current profile is bad, to say the least, it lacks several things, references, scans, and descriptions of certain abilities, and the abilities who do get a description, it is often plagiarized from the Devil May Cry wiki, so I took the part of actually trying to fix things, going after certain things, as well as recording some things myself

Here is the sandbox for how I propose the profile to look like, let's get to some of the changes I made:

Every Optional Equipment​

All of Lady's Optional Equipment comes from the mobile game, Peak of Combat, and recently there was a thread that de-canonized the game from the mainline series, so that means none of her Optional Equipment is cannon, so it should be removed

Some of the resistances​

The resistances to Disease Manipulation and Corruption type 2 are unfounded, I asked around, and Lady should not get said resistances, as being close to a portal like she was is not enough (Or at the very least, is not proven) to gain said resistances, so they were removed. I also went on and removed the resistance tab, it is not too big so it shouldn't have its own tab

The Crossbow​

I'll be honest, I've never seen Lady with a Crossbow in the 3rd game, and even she has it, I'm 100% sure she never uses it in any way, shape, or form

Added and reworded descriptions for abilities​

This didn't happen everywhere, but I tried my best to reword and add better justifications for all of Lady's abilities, some more in depth, some more simple (Such as explosion manipulation), trying to distance myself from the DMC wiki's own description that were put into Lady's profile. Not because they were bad, but because it is plagiarism, some of them stayed, I'll note later whose one were similar and stayed

Adding and updated scans​

Every single one of Lady's abilities, on top of having a description, now have proper scans, some of the DMC 3 ones (Ones that link to imgur) were recorded by me. I don't think there is a shortage of them, but if more is needed I'll try to provide it

References​

On top of scans and reworded descriptions, all of Lady's abilities have a reference, as it is standard for profiles now. There are 19 in total

Keys​

Lady's profile now is divided between keys, one for DMC 3, one for The Animated Series and other for DMC 4 and 5 (As nothing really changes for her). I think those are necessary since Lady gets better feats for several things after DMC 3, including Martial Arts, Gun Skills, Acrobatics, Homing Attack, as well as other abilities and attacks that she didn't displayed before

Calculations​

3 new calculations were added for Lady's profile. None of them scale to her DMC 3 self, as she lacks any feats on that calliber, but they all apply to TAS and beyond. Those calculations are: A speed calc for her rating, calculating breaking a bench for her AP, as well as calculating the AP of her Guns and Grenades

Intelligence section​

The Intelligence section was bare bones, so I updated it. I believe every one of Lady's keys gets better in some department relating to her INT section. Once again, they all have a different wording then the one copied from the DMC wiki, scans and references.

Stamina​

Minor, but I upgraded Lady's stamina from Peak Human to Superhuman, the things she did while having a big gash on her leg are something no human would be able to do without displaying any form of pain, Lady displayed nothing

Range​

Lady's guns should have the same range as IRL guns, so I adjusted it

Updated Standard Equipment​

The crossbow removal was previously commented, but Lady also didn't have a shotgun until DMC 4, so I changed that to reflect this. Also added all "Charged Attacks" as equipment, as it is clear they are supposed to be treated as such. Lady also has three handguns, and not just two

Notable Attacks and Techniques​

Added all attacks that Lady should have, which includes some Dante displayed with the Kalina Ann, as there is no reason to believe Lady wouldn't have the same things he did while using the Kalina Ann (From DMC 3 and DMC 5). Also removed "Charged Shots", those are clearly gameplay mechanics, all of her "Charged shots" are just other types of bullets and missiles, as indicated by both the description and their names
I think this is everything for things added or updated, let me know if I missed anything

Summary​

As far as I know, the Summary was not copied from the DMC wiki and it is decently detailed, no reason to change it

Description for Martial Arts, Explosion Manipulation, Vehicular Mastery and her Motorcycle​

I didn't felt like changing those ones '-'
 
Three keys that all have the exact same AP stats still seems kind of weird.
 
Random-Helper323 said:
Three keys that all have the exact same AP stats still seems kind of weird.
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Not exactly the same, (And I also believe it is not unusual either).

DMC 3's Lady is baseline 9-B, TAS has a calc for both her striking strength and her guns, while DMC 4-5 add further improvements to it in the form of different ammo and missiles... Oh yeah, I also forgot to add, I have DMC 4 scaling to Blitzes, both in speed and AP, perhaps something that should be talked about if people disagree with that
 
Drite77 said:
Not exactly the same, (And I also believe it is not unusual either).
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Drite77 said:
DMC 3's Lady is baseline 9-B, TAS has a calc for both her striking strength and her guns, while DMC 4-5 add further improvements to it in the form of different ammo and missiles...
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If you like, but a total of three keys all with the same Tier does seem pretty strange.
Drite77 said:
Oh yeah, I also forgot to add, I have DMC 4 scaling to Blitzes, both in speed and AP, perhaps something that should be talked about if people disagree with that
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Blitzes are an elite demon, but Alto Angelos are comparable if not superior. Still, Lady should be able to fight demons like that, given the fights she takes part in.

The sandbox describes Blitz as baseline MHS+. Blitz's speed is basically lightning speed, so there should be a value there.
 
Random-Helper323 said:
If you like, but a total of three keys all with the same Tier does seem pretty strange.
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Dragonoid has 15 keys which are just 2-C and the vallue for 2-C barely changes '-'. With Lady, those vallues do change, as I've said above, goes from Baseline Wall level to 50 KJ, her guns go from Baseline Wall Level to 13 Megajoules, and she has stronger equipment in 5
Random-Helper323 said:
The sandbox describes Blitz as baseline MHS+. Blitz's speed is basically lightning speed, so there should be a value there.
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Changed
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
You mean the Assault, right? Lady only fought the bianco angelos.
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Bianco Angelo are shown one-shotting Assaults, and Alto is a lot stronger and treated in a fairly similar way to a Blitz in the sense of being a mini boss, so I figured they realistically would compare.
 
Random-Helper323 said:
Bianco Angelo are shown one-shotting Assaults, and Alto is a lot stronger and treated in a fairly similar way to a Blitz in the sense of being a mini boss, so I figured they realistically would compare.
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If memory doesn't fail me, a lot of cutscenes have assaults and biancos fighting evenly and sometimes we see biancos defeating angelos (only once iirc) with Alto actually one-shotting Assaults quite easily.

Let's say that narratively and with scaling both Altos Angelos and Blitz are comparable, how would that be relevant for Lady? She never fought the Blitz nor the Alto Angelo (unless I'm remembering wrong the novel), she only fought against 1 Bianco and had trouble dealing with it as not even Kalina Ann could get around the durability and the shield and only won using the bayonet.
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
If memory doesn't fail me, a lot of cutscenes have assaults and biancos fighting evenly and sometimes we see biancos defeating angelos (only once iirc) with Alto actually one-shotting Assaults quite easily.
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Alto one shots the Assaults, but the Bianco actually chase and beat Assaults. Actually, I misremembered before. It was a Mephisto shown being one shot by a Bianco.
Tony_di_bugalu said:
Let's say that narratively and with scaling both Altos Angelos and Blitz are comparable, how would that be relevant for Lady? She never fought the Blitz nor the Alto Angelo (unless I'm remembering wrong the novel), she only fought against 1 Bianco and had trouble dealing with it as not even Kalina Ann could get around the durability and the shield and only won using the bayonet.
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I wasn't sure if it was a Bianco or an Alto. It's kind of pitiful if it was just a Bianco.
 
Actually, I think it might be worth looking into the Blitz's AP, since we see one start a small storm. We also see a Plasma start a storm if memory serves.
 
Random-Helper323 said:
Actually, I think it might be worth looking into the Blitz's AP, since we see one start a small storm. We also see a Plasma start a storm if memory serves.
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Perhaps in another thread, I'll revert DMC 4's Lady to her previous rating and lower the speed
 
Random-Helper323 said:
Actually, I think it might be worth looking into the Blitz's AP, since we see one start a small storm. We also see a Plasma start a storm if memory serves.
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To be fair, Lady may actually end up as 8-B and the blitz at whatever tier a storm is.

Frost is stated by Nero to be stronger and more durable than Bael, who currently is 8-B iirc, and Frosts are weaker than Assaults.
 
So can I have the statement about Frosts being above Bael? It would be needed to update Lady's DMC 4's key without their profile
 
It's in DF volume 1 but it's a bunch of pages and I'm lazy

do your thing, eventually I will get the time to look them up
 
I quite like the update to Lady's profile, I'm in favor of the CRT. I just hope the staff takes note of this quickly. 🥀
 
Nero also seems to imply Frosts are weaker then Bael, as he comments they wouldn't be strong enough to change the weather
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the new profile look good, though

high tolerance to pain (Even after being stabbed in the leg<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Drite77/Lady_profile_rework#cite_note-DMC_3_M13-6"><span>[</span>6<span>]</span></a> she was shown standing and walking without problems<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Drite77/Lady_profile_rework#cite_note-DMC_3_M14-7"><span>[</span>7<span>]</span></a> and would be shown climbing the Temen-ni-gru not long after.<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Drite77/Lady_profile_rework#cite_note-DMC_3_M15-8"><span>[</span>8<span>]</span></a> Fought a casual Dante<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Drite77/Lady_profile_rework#cite_note-Lady_Boss_Fight-5"><span>[</span>5<span>]</span></a> and would later kill countless Demons outside the tower with his help,<a href="https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Drite77/Lady_profile_rework#cite_note-DMC_3_Epilogue-4"><span>[</span>4<span>]</span></a> all not too long after she was stabbed)
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This should be moved to stamina section instead; we don't index high pain tolerance anymore. Those things were decided to be stamina feat rather than some special ability, except some extreme case-by-case instances.
 
Vietthai96 said:
the new profile look good, though


This should be moved to stamina section instead; we don't index high pain tolerance anymore. Those things were decided to be stamina feat rather than some special ability, except some extreme case-by-case instances.
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Wasn't aware of that. It is already in the stamina section (Word for word, scan for scan and reference for reference), but I'll remove it from the P&A once I'm available, hopefully today
 
Drite77 said:
Can't check on my PC, but I don't know how that says Frosts are above Bael
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There are two direct contrasts, one where the Frost hurts Nero and has him concerned about its attacks while Bael's attacks are shrugged off, and one where it directly tells us that Frosts and Berial are tougher than Bael when being hit.

It can still be looked at other ways, but the novel seems to treat Frost as stronger than Bael.
 
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Random-Helper323 said:
There are two direct contrasts, one where the Frost hurts Nero and has him concerned about its attacks while Bael's attacks are shrugged off, and one where it directly tells us that Frost and Serial are tougher than Bael when being hit.

It can still be looked at other ways, but the novel seems to treat Frost as stronger than Bael.
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Nero said he should not do the same mistake again against Bael and shouldn't let him hit Nero again

You also have the novel itself stating Frosts lack the power to change the weather, and the only thing the Novel says is that Bael's skin was softer then Frost's and Berial's, and Nero still says it was not effective anyway
 
Drite77 said:
Nero said he should not do the same mistake again against Bael and shouldn't let him hit Nero again
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"The ice projectiles hadn't done a huge amount of damage, but trying to avoid them distracted me from dodging his jumping attack. So, I wouldn't repeat he same mistake again"

He still isn't concerned about the power of the attacks but getting hit overall, mind you Nero is trying to avoid Bael because of all the disgusting stuff he leaves.

Drite77 said:
You also have the novel itself stating Frosts lack the power to change the weather, and the only thing the Novel says is that Bael's skin was softer then Frost's and Berial's, and Nero still says it was not effective anyway
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You also have Nero stating how even a mere graze from Frosts attacks cause a lot of pain while he shrugs off Bael's as if nothing.
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
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You also still have Nero mentioning how Frosts wouldn't be able to cause the Blizzard, mentioning it being so much weaker then Berial being one of the reasons they wouldn't be the Demons doing it
 
Well in the novel Dante says that Dagon/Bael species are higher order of demon like Echidna, so going from his statement Bael is Echidna tier so i guess Nero is underesting Bael and his own grownth in the story!
 
Mister6ame6 said:
Well in the novel Dante says that Dagon/Bael species are higher order of demon like Echidna, so going from his statement Bael is Echidna tier so i guess Nero is underesting Bael and his own grownth in the story!
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He also just said Frosts can't create a storm because they aren't powerful enough
 
Mister6ame6 said:
Yeah only Blitz and Assault are able to manipulate storms from the elite minion tier!
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... Assault? The all-terrain demons clearly designed to mess humans up in any given environment?

Do you mean to say Plasma?
 
Mister6ame6 said:
Well in the novel Dante says that Dagon/Bael species are higher order of demon like Echidna, so going from his statement Bael is Echidna tier so i guess Nero is underesting Bael and his own grownth in the story!
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Dante said that "high order of demons at least had heard of him but this one nor even Echidna knew who he was". Never said Bael was Echidna tier nor that Bael was on that general ballpark and the "nor even Echidna" definitely implies only she is the higher level demon.

Drite77 said:
You also still have Nero mentioning how Frosts wouldn't be able to cause the Blizzard, mentioning it being so much weaker then Berial being one of the reasons they wouldn't be the Demons doing it
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And we still have Nero suffering more from Frost attacks than Bael's which adds to the scaling.
 
Tony_di_bugalu said:
And we still have Nero suffering more from Frost attacks than Bael's which adds to the scaling.
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So are you just going to ignore the part where Nero said Frosts are not powerfull enough to make a Blizzard but Bael is? It shouldn't be an issue when Nero flat out said Bael is stronger then them.

Regardless, if people are going to scale Lady to storms it doesn't matter

Do I need someone else to approve this? Or can I updated Lady's profile?
 
Random-Helper323 said:
We better have that looked into by other translators. If the Assault can make storms, Bianco and therefore Lady scale to that. Storms are Multi City Block to Small Town level at minimum.
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Yeap, gonna ask Red for a quality translation it fits with Blitz storms feats and they being on the same tier!

Tony_di_bugalu said:
Dante said that "high order of demons at least had heard of him but this one nor even Echidna knew who he was". Never said Bael was Echidna tier nor that Bael was on that general ballpark and the "nor even Echidna" definitely implies only she is the higher level demon.
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Fair enougth i recheced here and you are rigth on the wording, thanks for clearing that!

Drite77 said:
Do I need someone else to approve this? Or can I updated Lady's profile?
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You need 3 staffs aproval for popular and controversial verses!
 
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