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Wtf are you even talking about?
I even shown evidence on why it's the case in the post linked. Yours is a massive false analogy.
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Sans vs Cyn
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I even shown evidence on why it's the case in the post linked. Yours is a massive false analogy.
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Ye mb, i was just reading it a moment ago, should have linked it to the original one instead so I can find the reason.
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So only 4 move and Cyn will dead
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Cyn will finish the battle in 1 move, if Cyn is hit by KARMA, then this battle becomes inconclusive, because both of them will die, with Sans being either crushed, erased, or exploded, and Cyn dies from magic poison.
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AI scaling is wild 
Anyways its funny how giving prior knowledge is the only reason Cyn stands a chance, since I was informed she didn’t use this one shot move when she could have during the series (as a first move)
I am voting Inconclusive for now, if the knowledge is removed I vote Sans like low diff ngl
Anyways its funny how giving prior knowledge is the only reason Cyn stands a chance, since I was informed she didn’t use this one shot move when she could have during the series (as a first move)
I am voting Inconclusive for now, if the knowledge is removed I vote Sans like low diff ngl
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That's not a one-shot. And that's against a character with a soul. We don't know how potent karma is against people without souls, because we don't see any of Flowey's fights go. We just know that it probably affected him. But no information on how much it hindered, or if it even killed him.
ShionAH
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its stated he died a whole bunch of times.
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Sure. It's not stated Karma killed him tho (Nor how quickly he died in battle). Sans attacks also just do damage as well. No reason to assume Karma did him in. We only see how fast Karma kills when it can affect the soul, but never just the body.
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Fr lmao i was doing it for funAI scaling is wild
Does teleporting behind and pierce through your chest with her hand counts as a one shot move? Even though that was her reason to use that move because her opponent Uzi was immune to her solver.
She also throws a Null at Uzi as her first move in the second fight.
ShionAH
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Sans would dodge that so nah
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Btw we count KARMA as the poison effect AND the 1 damage-per frame thing he has. Without the latter in particular, sans would pretty much be helpless against someone on Flowey’s level of power, much less kill them a bunch of times to the point they warn the person who beat everyone in the Underground, including Flowey himself, about him.
Eden_Warlock99
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Idk why the striking strength was nerfed like how the hell did that CRT get approved
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The 1 damage is from Sans regular attack stat. All the dura neg does is allow him to hit at 1 frame per second (Plus the poison like effect). We haven't seen how effective karma or this dura neg is against bodies because it's hardly even dura-neg. If they have no soul, then it would calculate damage based on the opponent's physical defense because it is now striking the body instead of the soul (Which is usually given 20 HP for cross verse match-ups).
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I don't see why he couldn't. He attacks a lot (Not sure how invincibility frames translate outside of gameplay mechanics tbh. Not even saying it's not valid, but what does that even mean. Sans attacks hit 20 times a second or smth?), has TK, only enemy who dodged, can teleport, stop time, etc.
Eden_Warlock99
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Like even here, Flowey is almost x1000 stronger than sans, and that's at LV1. The "Weakest Enemy" has no chance against a high LV Flowey without it lol
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We don't know Flowey's stats when they fight Sans in comparison to Lv. 19 Frisk (Obviously without armor). Nor if he fought the exact same, or if Flowey would know how to get around Sans choosing not to take his turn like Frisk who is far more determined than Flowey ever was.
The invincibility frames thing wasn't answered btw. That doesn't even seem like duraneg. All it does is let his attacks harm you multiple times per second instead of once per contact. So all is attacks are more akin to a prolonged laser rather than a punch. That'll help a lot against foes with no soul near his level, tho against peeps with far higher durability, he'll basically be doing jack.
Imma head to bed tho, so expect a late reply once you reply to this.
Eden_Warlock99
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If it works on Flowey (Who's High 8-C) then it's definitely working on Cyn with their 9-A durability.
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Multi-continent of who?
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Mainly Uzi (and her mom Nori) who tanked this level of explosion. (24:49)
Uzi's mom and Yeva aren't in the VSBW (15:10)
and here's Cyn tanking this level of impact + shockwave
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Huh... the feats are legit but they delete it, that weird
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For both the first and the second one, the KE calcs got rejected(but idk why they don't scale to the base explosion)
The third one doesn't have a calc.
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Is it because it's a different planet?
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How about this?
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No it's all on C-9
- First one got rejected due to a supposed huge crater not existing in the show.
- Second one got rejected due to a lack of time frame.
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Unfortunately VSBW doesn't except calcs unless it's on the website.
You could attempt to calc it if you wanna?
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Did they mean this?
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I'm bad at CRT, I hope an expert will do it though.
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It's indeed a one-shot because that is basically instantaneous if you have only 20 HP, and that is assumed for non UT characters as LV does not exist outside the verse.
Also it's literally accepted to work just as fine on Flowey
- Durability Negation and Status Effect Inducement (Sans' attacks inflict to the target KARMA, a poison-like effect that quickly whittles the opponent's HP down overtime and affecting both their souls while also ignoring Frisk's INV Frames. Heavily implied to be capable of affecting Flowey, who lacks a SOUL
By the current accepted scaling Flowey is still around the levels of people like Base Undyne.
You gotta have to do a CRT about it, but it was already addressed both here and here. So good luck with saying it's not dura neg when it's already accepted as such.
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Good luck with a CRT, last time one like this was a fiasco that got unanimously rejected!
Sans' "KARMA" and Soul Manipulation Debunk - Explanation on what KR is and what it does
Sans, for those who don't know, have had some matchups on his profile against actually pretty powerful opponents, and TWO SPECIFIC winning condition that is usually seen in each of these wins. First, lets start off with the pure obvious: Soul Manipulation Examples include: Saitama vs. Sans...
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This is textbook Inconclusive m8.
And Sans would have easily won if Cyn didn't have prior knowledge. Given Sans prior knowledge as well and see him spawning twenty Gaster Blasters while teleporting kilometers away while leaving Cyn die. Or remove prior knowledge from Cyn and get her obliterated before she decides to pull her best move.
Incon FRA.
Ebihara
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i love how this has to be disscussed every thread!
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That is the HP of souls in Undertale. Not the physical body. The opponent here lacks a soul. There soul won't have HP because they have no soul.
Yes, which I addressed. It works on Flowey. We don't know how potent it is because we never see the fight. We don't know if it instantly kills him or takes a long time.
Dura-neg is fine maybe? I mean it does at least ignore armor. But like, we don't see it insta-kill or anything ever so it doesn't seem to completely ignore defense. Undertale is quite annoying in this aspect. I don't think I plan to make a CRT, tho if I do I'd make an extensive one and consult the discussion thread instead of being an asshat who posts one without warning.
In all fairness I don't think that CRT offered a better alternative for what it should be treated as. I think the Karma which is basically just poison is perfectly fine as dura-neg as that's what regular poison is considered. The only weird part is the invincibility frame tidbit. That shouldn't let Sans melt opponents with no souls who have durability's tiers above him because in combat, all it functionally does is have the damage of his attack affect the enemy numerous times a second based on exposure. And you can't use 20 HP for people with no souls, as that's the HP of character's souls in Undertale. The durability should be considered in cases with people who have no soul. The poison aspect should still work, but again we don't know how effective it as against people without souls besides the fact it worked on Flowey. But we don't know how effective it was.Good luck with a CRT, last time one like this was a fiasco that got unanimously rejected!
Sans' "KARMA" and Soul Manipulation Debunk - Explanation on what KR is and what it does
Sans, for those who don't know, have had some matchups on his profile against actually pretty powerful opponents, and TWO SPECIFIC winning condition that is usually seen in each of these wins. First, lets start off with the pure obvious: Soul Manipulation Examples include: Saitama vs. Sans...vsbattles.com
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Bodies are accepted same as souls. There's a reason why only Sans has Durability Negation and not every single monster in the verse.
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