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DCU General Discussion Thread
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That doesn't scale to physicals.
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no likw i remember dale saying that superman being high 6b from metamoprhos creation thing wouldnt work n that it could only be used for metamorphos page
i think that was like being talked abt in that one thread when we were getting the verse page n our superman pages to the wiki
i think that was like being talked abt in that one thread when we were getting the verse page n our superman pages to the wiki
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Metamorpho (DC Universe)
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for his iq can we like say how he had to figure out the specific kind of elements he needed to change his body into so he could make that star n free superman
or is that like already similar to what lesshe has on their page
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yes its good to be made right now if you wanted tbh and the Dr. Phosphorus page from @Lacku.is my nina one okay
nina nina nina
yeah I don't buy it either now since the release of the movie, it could have been possible under a different context but its purely High 6-B via creation from chain reactions so not applicable to upscale
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Change "with Powers" to "With Creation" because his other powers already have varying levels of potency so it just gives the wrong impression, also specify High Hyper+ flight speed since Metamorpho and the justice Gang all flew to Jarhanpur, the calc is on the verse pageWhat should be changed?Metamorpho (DC Universe)
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So, we're not scaling Peacemaker to Flag Sr. yet, right. That one-sided beat nearly damn killed him, even if Chris wasn't trying to fight back
If we look at their scaling, Peacemaker would be (1.29 Megajoules) while Flag Sr. would be around (2.32 Megajoules). A 1.79 difference.
The Top Trio did manage to kill a kaiji, but it was through known means (Who knows, maybe ALT Auggie pulled the same strategy as Mr. Terrific). I wonder if their feat of blowing up a couple of police cars while make a difference
If we look at their scaling, Peacemaker would be (1.29 Megajoules) while Flag Sr. would be around (2.32 Megajoules). A 1.79 difference.
The Top Trio did manage to kill a kaiji, but it was through known means (Who knows, maybe ALT Auggie pulled the same strategy as Mr. Terrific). I wonder if their feat of blowing up a couple of police cars while make a difference
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he's not tanking anything?
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Well the better word would be absorbing, you even did the calc for it just in Metamorpho's calc. And since Superman still hasn't recovered back to full power from the absorption (as he has to rest for 3 days straight after that) he can easily scale to that.
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Doesn't Vig take that pulse blast without any serious injury.
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Oh that, yeah that sums up what I said, though every god-involved episode shows this in a way
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I'm still curious what results the White Dragon's energy blast feat would've gotten with melting or vaporization ends. The metal looking cleanly burned through seems like it'd provide a decent argument for those methods.
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I did a calc for it because I was begged to do so not because I thought it was legit and he wouldn't scale in absorption or anything else, it has a lot of problems trying to utilize that for actual stat scaling, for one it actually does 0 environmental damage as in it emits no kind of intense heat, doesn't even warm, let alone melt or vaporize anything like it would for the full output of something like that, two it'd be a major outlier because metamorpho not even for creation but in durability you'd have to be arguing is even higher than Superman because he's even closer to it and via ISL that means he would upscale which makes no sense in the context of the film if metamorpho thought he had no chance at escaping and was threatened by the Raptors who Mr. Terrific could diff himself with his tech and other gear so they clearly ain't tier 6 at least not yet. This is grasping at straws stop being so obsessed over big numbers and just wait for the next projects to see when we actually get more legit and blatant feats.
why is it not calculated as that? it should be melting or vape, its like scorching after no?
I mean so did his alternate self and other world keith the damage they did was just as much after a couple of solid blows so I'd say its more of a presentation thing rather than something suggesting they are in completely different tiers stat wise
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Even at large building level said heat would melt the people around them and the glass. And we are using the Large Country level end.
That's not exactly a strong refute because it's the same thing as Goku not breaking the universe every fight post bog. Plot convience.
Neither is Metamorpho not saving his son as we literally see him kill several Raptors after that scene effortlessly. So that doesn't debunk anything.
He was just to scared to take risk of his sons death not to mention he would be escape on his own as he has no means of opening the portal.
Even if Metamorpho was closer to the source this doesn't really make him stronger than Superman. As Superman was still weakened to the point of passing out after escaping and had to spend 3 days to recover back to full power. So clearly that output was no where near close to his full power.
I think I have a very solid case here.
That's not exactly a strong refute because it's the same thing as Goku not breaking the universe every fight post bog. Plot convience.
Neither is Metamorpho not saving his son as we literally see him kill several Raptors after that scene effortlessly. So that doesn't debunk anything.
He was just to scared to take risk of his sons death not to mention he would be escape on his own as he has no means of opening the portal.
Even if Metamorpho was closer to the source this doesn't really make him stronger than Superman. As Superman was still weakened to the point of passing out after escaping and had to spend 3 days to recover back to full power. So clearly that output was no where near close to his full power.
I think I have a very solid case here.
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DB has established systems in play that prevent this
ISL would tank the heat down to 9-A or 9-B best for the distance to the wall ngl but thats far more believable for a prison that can hold metamorpho
Dawg the threat wouldn't work if he wasn't confident he could take on the raptors after getting his son and escaping, him and supes were gonna try and work something out to open the portals even before they knew Mr. Terrific was there
It would because ISL he'd objective be withstanding a higher amount of energy than superman given he's less than like 0.1m away from it but shit isn't harming him or doing anything to affect the environment
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I was using an example. MHA doesn't so why didn't Deku vaporize everyone around him with 5x Multicontinental power being put on the flying coffin. And lets be honest DB's system is whack. SSJ3 transformation was literally tearing the planet apart there is no way it should survive Broly tweaking out in a nigh unconscious state with zero control over himself.
If we actually took that argument of "Not enough collateral" we would have to delete 90% of this website. It's just invalid.
Even at 9 A Anything organic on the other side is still getting 3rd degree flash burns and corneal flash burns. Plus the air in the glass box would rapidly expand increasing pressure.
He isn't confident. We literally see that he is a man of great self doubt in his reaction to the Falafel guy getting shot in the head. He also can't hold Joey while fighting. It's much less that he can't kill the Raptors but more so that he can't kill Raptors while protecting his kid and getting out of the dimension. Superman was his best chance so he acted and he effortlessly took the raptors down.
And again that doesn't make him stronger than Superman as we literally see that it was nowhere near Superman's normal energy levels. It would be more so "Atleast Country level, possibly much higher (Was still significantly weakened after he absorbed this much energy)"
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MHA can write it off by saying the dude punched with the force directing into the sky, this can not
This is entirely case by case and in this case it IS relevant hence why I was against having it done anyways
This like I said is still a bit more believable since the prison should likely be able to contain metamorpho in any physical attempts to break out but again even outside of that Metamorpho AND Superman were both pressed by Raptors who were around Mr. Terrfic's level so unless you're arguing 6-B to High 6-B Mr. Terrific as well it ain't gonna work and inherently creates more problems
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I am talking about the coffin battle where the punch was aimed downwards and like 20m away from the side cast.
And again I could literally fill 10 entire pages from examples this isn't even debate, don't even try it.
If the prison could contain him they won't need Joey. Plus if anything that makes 6-B just as possible since if prison is made to contain the heat then there would be no collateral.
Mr Terrific doesn't even need to be in the conversation. Metamorpho wasn't struggling against the Raptors he literally melted them with zero effort.
The Raptors do not scale to him at all.
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Yeah, it's a bit odd, because while the calculation blog does mention the smoke and lack of debris as the justification for pulverization being used, there's no mention of the obvious glowing hot metal caused by the blast.
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And that still won't prove your point? It does not change that something like this is case by case so its in your best interest to drop it
The prison has no lore if being able to contain x amount of heat heck it didn't contain the light radiation which would cause a lot of heat itself to begin with but im much more inclined to handwave 9-A radiated energy via ISL rather than believe 6-B is at all valid or scales to anyone
Also regardless or not if he could break out he'd still be in a similar ballpark to a weakened superman who was getting pressed by a few raptors
Melting is via a hax ability it ≠ the amount of power metamorpho can punch or kick with but regardless the Raptors are like 9-A, metamorpho is like 9-A+, they were still in enough of a ballpark close to him that he did have to stop when they held him up before having the idea the blast then with acid that could corrode through their suits.
And yes Mr. Terrific does need to be brought because he is very relevant due to his direct scaling to said raptors as well.
You're arguing rn that they are all 6-B ~ High 6-B if we go by what you want because they are all somewhat intertwined
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Using melting should upgrade the feat to 1.21462637481e7 joules or 0.0029 tons, which I believe is Wall level+. That’d be a nice upgrade for all the DCU’s street tiers, since Rick Flag, Sr. scales to Peacemaker and basically everyone else scales to Flag.
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Tbh I think we should refrain from any scaling to 6-B until we have some consistent stuff
This is one feat for 6-B where we currently have mostly Tier 9 to 8. Especially since we do have alot of movies that are coming soon that are in the same universe (I.E Supergirl, Man of Tomorrow, etc) so it would be best to have patience and wait until we get more feats to a higher level (I would guess probably Tier 7 stuff since we are getting a supergirl film next)
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Lanterns next year as well, like no real reason at all to rush at all for big ratings using faulty arguments when we have projects with potential higher and more valid feats
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Justice Gang
The Justice Gang is the unofficial name of a team of superheroes assembled and operated by LordTech CEO Maxwell Lord who are based in the Hall of Justice. The team is a frequent ally of fellow superheroes Superman and Supergirl. Source: DC Universe Database Tier: 9-A up to High 6-B with Creation...
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Namely, Guy’s stats definitely need to be acknowledged in the tier and AP, there should be two keys, one before Metamorpho joined and one after, and Superman and Supergirl should be acknowledged as optional members.
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Imagine the Robin in the new Batman movie turns out to be not Tim, Dick or Damian...but Jason. That would be awesome, we know Batman's been active for years in the DCU by now so maybe Dick has already become Nightwing. So it would be cool to know Jason when he meets Batman and begins his career as Robin and see him evolve over more films. Would be pretty great.
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Huh? Who said t... oh.
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I'm NGL, I'm really mixed on that Peacemaker ending.
A lot of emotional payoffs and Checkmate is cool (likely what Gunn meant when he said that 'Peacemaker' as a show is ending), but as an ending for the season as a whole, I think it stumbles. Too much setting up for other things, not enough concluding / wrapping up this thing, if you get what I mean.
A lot of emotional payoffs and Checkmate is cool (likely what Gunn meant when he said that 'Peacemaker' as a show is ending), but as an ending for the season as a whole, I think it stumbles. Too much setting up for other things, not enough concluding / wrapping up this thing, if you get what I mean.
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Just finished myself and yeah I gotta agree, there were way more setups than story conclusions which like I get this was said to be heavily setting up Man of Tomorrow but still kinda hate how dirty chris got done at the end for the sake of set up
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Rick Flag Sr. got low diffed by a meta-human and now he's making it everyone else's problem
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Fr, what a bum. Bro's PR took a nosedive in less than an hour.
Clayface shoulda folded his *** even harder tbh
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Maybe Man of Tomorrow is really different than what we think it's gonna be? Because obviously the primary connection here is that Lex is working with the government now (hell he may as well have possessed Rick Sr.), but I'm not sure how interdimensional prison camps would be resolved in a movie that already has to deal with, say, Brainiac.
So like I said, maybe the movie isn't what we think it's gonna be.
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Man the more I sit on it, the more I think I just don't like this as a finale. The emotional framework from the rest of the season is there, but plot wise this feels entirely separate from everything else that's happened up to this point. I understand that it's (the season) meant to be about Chris' emotional journey, but it also spends a lot of time establishing a lot of different things that ultimately don't lead anywhere, at least not in this show. And I also don't think I like the ending itself, either.
"Chris talk to us plz"
"No"
"Chris talk to us plz"
"No, I'm the angel of death"
"No you're not"
"Damn you're right actually, time to go get locked in another dimension to service a plot I otherwise have no connection to"
Like, am I crazy? Chris went through some rough ****, and it feels like it's just quickly resolved so he can be rushed off into something else entirely. The conversation they had to get him past it made sense, but it feels like it was resolved way too fast. This just happened last episode, and it's already resolved. Same could be said about him being sent to prison, again.
"Chris talk to us plz"
"No"
"Chris talk to us plz"
"No, I'm the angel of death"
"No you're not"
"Damn you're right actually, time to go get locked in another dimension to service a plot I otherwise have no connection to"
Like, am I crazy? Chris went through some rough ****, and it feels like it's just quickly resolved so he can be rushed off into something else entirely. The conversation they had to get him past it made sense, but it feels like it was resolved way too fast. This just happened last episode, and it's already resolved. Same could be said about him being sent to prison, again.
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Also, call me a meat head who just wants explosions or whatever, but having no action in the finale is kind of a bummer. No, I'm not counting Cupie Doll getting his face munched by gummy bears as an action scene. I mean, look at Season 1. It had a great emotional climax tied in with a fantastic action scene where the team finally works together as a unit. Season 2's finale just has the emotional aspect. Don't get me wrong, I like that, but it just doesn't hit the same without the action half, ya know? The action is the physical representation of the emotional obstacle the characters are overcoming. Without that, it's just not as resonant. It's a similar thing with Chris not wearing his OG suit a single time after Episode 1.
Imagine if in, say, Guardians 2, instead of fighting and killing Ego when they realized he's evil, the Guardians just... left. Like, they just flew off the planet. And Ego is never brought up again. Then they instead talk through Starlord's issues on the ship in a singular scene and he's just completely over it and happy, only to be suddenly abducted by the Sovereign from the beginning of the movie and thrown into the soul stone dimension that Thanos saw kid Gamora in when he did the snap or whatever just to set up Infinity War. Thats it, that's just how the movie ends. Would that be satisfying? I'm gonna say no.
Imagine if in, say, Guardians 2, instead of fighting and killing Ego when they realized he's evil, the Guardians just... left. Like, they just flew off the planet. And Ego is never brought up again. Then they instead talk through Starlord's issues on the ship in a singular scene and he's just completely over it and happy, only to be suddenly abducted by the Sovereign from the beginning of the movie and thrown into the soul stone dimension that Thanos saw kid Gamora in when he did the snap or whatever just to set up Infinity War. Thats it, that's just how the movie ends. Would that be satisfying? I'm gonna say no.
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Now that it's over, are there any feats from Peacemaker season 2 that would be worth looking into calculating? I feel like there's been some decent supporting feats at least.
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