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All I’m saying is that a jump from 8-C or 4-B to 2-C should need more than what is presented here.
The Current 8-C feat? That was literally effortless,
We done?
Also I have a feeling there’s a bunch of anti feats for the franchise in the IDW comics but I don’t have any issues so I don’t know rn. This is just a hunch tho.
Edit: Omg I looked at the synopsis of the first issue and Sonic and Tails are threatened by Egg Hammers💀They’re all building level ong
Also that's just for the entire series, keep in mind before the profile merge, IDW peaked with super forms at 5-A. It is anti-feats: the series lol
 
Notice how I mentioned 4-B as well?
If you want to argue that the current 8-C feat is where Eggman should stay, give me something other than what boils down to: "I don't like Eggman being physically strong"

Here's the feat you're trying to argue Eggman should stay at, BTW

This shit is effortless from him.

You're better off downgrading Starline if you wanted to argue against this, and you basically can't, he's got too many explicit dura feats compared to the rest of the cast.
 
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If you want to argue that the current 8-C feat is where Eggman should stay, give me something other than what boils down to: "I don't like Eggman being physically strong"
I would like to reiterate, I AM NOT ARGUING EGGMAN SHOULD STAY AT 8-C. I am saying that Eggman should not be 2-C THERE IS A ******* DIFFERENCE MAN.
 
I would like to reiterate, I AM NOT ARGUING EGGMAN SHOULD STAY AT 8-C. I am saying that Eggman should not be 2-C THERE IS A ******* DIFFERENCE MAN.
Oh, that 4-B feat of harming Amy? you mean the one he did by walking?

So, let's get this straight: You have a casual 8-C feat, a casual 4-B scaling feat, and a serious one-shot of a character who has consistently survived serious hits from 2-Cs, and you don't like the third one because reasons?
 
After looking at IDW I see that Starline lowkey has consistent dura feats. **** why does this make sense now. I’m conflicted rn because Dr. Eggman being able to one shot Goku in base just feels wrong. Though there are also a bunch of anti feats in IDW considering Badnicks.



Fine. I agree with this CRT even though everything about it just feels wrong to me.
 
Fine. I agree with this CRT even though everything about it just feels wrong to me.
Trust me, this would not be the first revision that feels wrong for me but is mostly correct anyways
Though there are also a bunch of anti feats in IDW considering Badnicks.
Like I said, IDW is anti-feats: the series. Good stories though.
 
After looking at IDW I see that Starline lowkey has consistent dura feats. **** why does this make sense now. I’m conflicted rn because Dr. Eggman being able to one shot Goku in base just feels wrong. Though there are also a bunch of anti feats in IDW considering Badnicks.



Fine. I agree with this CRT even though everything about it just feels wrong to me.
We keep bringing up Dragon Ball for some reason, but Dragon Ball Super is the same series with the horrible lazy ass writing that has fodder characters instantly jumping up to Tier 2 every week 😭 (Tho I still hold it dear to my heart)
 
Said one of them has an (untranslated) statement of being the strongest in the world.
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I was called here to evaluate, and well, the worst thing in my evaluating ability is scaling chain lol

Anyway, i think possibly/like 2-C is fine to me, since i saw some contest between supporters about this scaling
 
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Though there are also a bunch of anti feats in IDW considering Badnicks.
The Badniks have statements of getting stronger over time (Colors 3DS) and Buzz Bombers being a threat to Tails in cutscenes (Lost World), so those should ironically be feats for Badniks instead of anti-feats for the main cast.

It isn't inconcievable, Eggman can craft Super Badniks by the Adventure Era that are potential genuine threats to those with the strength of Sonic and Knuckles (considering Super Badniks are narratively treated as significant threats to lower-tiers, and even inxperienced high-tiers like Surge, in IDW, the same should correlate to the Adventure Era games like Heroes).

Sorry for the ramble.
 
Yeah, if I didn't already say, I'm fine with the upgrade. I think a straight rating might be fine. He doesn't really have any anti-feats bar Shadow decapitating him with a single chop in a bad ending of Shadow The Hedgehog. But even that you could just argue Shadow being above the other people he harmed so... I think if it should prolly be an "at most" rating tho since he does opt for using weapons when his mechs and stuff stop working over hand to hand (Like when his Omega mech got hacked, he pulled out a laser pistol or whatever that vaped buildings it hit)
He didn't decapitate Eggman wtf? And the chop only killed him after Shadow blasted him with his own explosives as well as several point blank Chaos Blasts during thr boss fight.
Sonic and Tails are threatened by Egg Hammers
You mean the Egg Hammers designed by Eggman to be a threat to Sonic? Yeah, no wonder.
also a bunch of anti feats in IDW considering Badnicks
Why can't Badniks just be somewhat on par with the main cast? They're built to fight them. I don't see how them being a threat is an anti-feat.
The Badniks have statements of getting stronger over time (Colors 3DS) and Buzz Bombers being a threat to Tails in cutscenes (Lost World), so those should ironically be feats for Badniks instead of anti-feats for the main cast.

It isn't inconcievable, Eggman can craft Super Badniks by the Adventure Era that are potential genuine threats to those with the strength of Sonic and Knuckles (considering Super Badniks are narratively treated as significant threats to lower-tiers, and even inxperienced high-tiers like Surge, in IDW, the same should correlate to the Adventure Era games like Heroes).

Sorry for the ramble.
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He didn't decapitate Eggman wtf? And the chop only killed him after Shadow blasted him with his own explosives as well as several point blank Chaos Blasts during thr boss fight.
That seems to be the implication. He raises his hand to chop him, and Eggman screams as the screen goes black. Hard to imagine something so bad they felt a need to censor a game that was supposed to be more edgy and gritty than the other Sonic games. And isn't Eggman in a mech for the entirety of the boss battle? I don't think him taking attacks in gameplay means much when Shadow killed him with a single chop.
 
That seems to be the implication. He raises his hand to chop him, and Eggman screams as the screen goes black. Hard to imagine something so bad they felt a need to censor a game that was supposed to be more edgy and gritty than the other Sonic games. And isn't Eggman in a mech for the entirety of the boss battle? I don't think him taking attacks in gameplay means much when Shadow killed him with a single chop.
Eggman has this tendency to have his big fat egg head out of his mechs 1v1, TBF
 
That seems to be the implication. He raises his hand to chop him, and Eggman screams as the screen goes black. Hard to imagine something so bad they felt a need to censor a game that was supposed to be more edgy and gritty than the other Sonic games. And isn't Eggman in a mech for the entirety of the boss battle? I don't think him taking attacks in gameplay means much when Shadow killed him with a single chop.
The Egg Dealer's seat is exposed to air. He gets covered in the explosions of his own explosives.
 
I would also like to add some of Eggman's feats:

- In Riders, he restrained Amy (somehow, lol)

- In Rise of the Wisps, he can restrain Wisps, who can restrain an enraged Whisper (I just realised that Whisper wanted to hurt Amy, lol)

- Eggman strangles Starline and causes him pain (it even cracks glass)

- Although Eggman's feat of kicking Surge is not considered a feat of attack power, I consider it to be one, because Surge was exerting force to stop Metal Sonic, who was also exerting force. I don't see how a Building (Eggman) is capable of sending a Low Multiversal (Dynamo Surge) flying, who is exerting force to avoid being sent flying by the force exerted by another Low Multiversal (Metal)

- He pulled Tails out of a control panel, and Tails even had to use his tails to hit Eggman to prevent him from removing him from there (we could also include that he somehow knocked Amy out; I don't think it was because of his gun, since in the comic his gun is depicted as capable of killing characters like Tangle)

- It seems that he would be capable of fighting Sonic, he even tried to catch him before he jumped off the tower (lol)
 
- Although Eggman's feat of kicking Surge is not considered a feat of attack power, I consider it to be one, because Surge was exerting force to stop Metal Sonic, who was also exerting force. I don't see how a Building (Eggman) is capable of sending a Low Multiversal (Dynamo Surge) flying, who is exerting force to avoid being sent flying by the force exerted by another Low Multiversal (Metal)
You would need to prove Surge can (and was) exert force downwards to keep herself stuck to the ground as if she were magnetic. Most characters in fiction can't do that. The closest they have is flight in which they can control their position. But Surge holding Metal Sonic in her hand doesn't suddenly mean she's exerting Low Multiverse levels of strength to stay on the ground somehow.
 
You would need to prove Surge can (and was) exert force downwards to keep herself stuck to the ground as if she were magnetic. Most characters in fiction can't do that. The closest they have is flight in which they can control their position. But Surge holding Metal Sonic in her hand doesn't suddenly mean she's exerting Low Multiverse levels of strength to stay on the ground somehow.
mmmm, ok, I guess, probably Eggman's kick can be used as an combat speed feat, idk
 
mmmm, ok, I guess, probably Eggman's kick can be used as an combat speed feat, idk
Surge was off-guard. So I don't think so. But like, Eggman is already scaling to Sonic characters in combat speed so it doesn't matter much imo. He has to physically pilot his mechs after all. Which can keep up with Sonic and co
 
I would also like to add some of Eggman's feats:

- In Riders, he restrained Amy (somehow, lol)
Definitely LS
- In Rise of the Wisps, he can restrain Wisps, who can restrain an enraged Whisper (I just realised that Whisper wanted to hurt Amy, lol)
He restrained one Wisp, there was like half a dozen with Whisper, also LS.
This is solid, but Igmur link, we don't trust those.
- He pulled Tails out of a control panel, and Tails even had to use his tails to hit Eggman to prevent him from removing him from there (we could also include that he somehow knocked Amy out; I don't think it was because of his gun, since in the comic his gun is depicted as capable of killing characters like Tangle)
LS
- It seems that he would be capable of fighting Sonic, he even tried to catch him before he jumped off the tower (lol)
Eggman was pissed and he historically doesn't make the best choices when enraged, but this is enough for justification stuff
 
It seems almost fundamentally wrong to have Eggman scale in a way comparable the mechs he uses. I guess there aren't things really showing eggman to be weak physically. The fact that evidence towards scaling exists and evidence against scaling doesn't means there really isn't an argument against this. Either of the suggested ratings seem fine.
 
It seems almost fundamentally wrong to have Eggman scale in a way comparable the mechs he uses. I guess there aren't things really showing eggman to be weak physically. The fact that evidence towards scaling exists and evidence against scaling doesn't means there really isn't an argument against this. Either of the suggested ratings seem fine.
To be fair between tiers in tier 2 is infinite so Egggoat could just egriegously downscale
 
That seems to be the implication. He raises his hand to chop him, and Eggman screams as the screen goes black. Hard to imagine something so bad they felt a need to censor a game that was supposed to be more edgy and gritty than the other Sonic games. And isn't Eggman in a mech for the entirety of the boss battle? I don't think him taking attacks in gameplay means much when Shadow killed him with a single chop.
If it was the implication, you wouldn't hear Eggman's scream. They just cut to black because Shadow ******* murders a man it amplifies the dramatic effect of the ending. It's not that deep.
 

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Eggman harming Adventure Era Sonic and Amy..

For the second scan, Eggman just bumps into people. I don't see why bumping into others should be treated as a feat.

And as for the first scan, judging from the loud shaking footsteps and echoing laughter, either Sonic and co. shrunk or Eggman got huge in this minigame, meaning that this feat is not something Eggman can do normally. And that's not even going over the possibility that Sonic simply fell down due to the vibrations of Eggman's loud ass steps.
 
For the second scan, Eggman just bumps into people. I don't see why bumping into others should be treated as a feat.
Eggman bumping into them hurts them. This is pretty clearly done casually given all he does is walk into them, even Big the Cat gets dropped on his ass.
 
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Why would Eggman need machines if he is physically on Sonic's level
More abilities, better ability to actually nail the hedgehog, the fact Eggman isn't some skill God and isn't THAT agile
 
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