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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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Lilybitdun
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33 minutes of Rhett and Link trying to watch Dressrosa
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Do you really think Letting kaido Upscale from Hody Jones and Dressrosa Zoro Looks Like Good scaling?
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I'm not saying this is good scaling, but it reminds me of when I posted a Bleach scaling chain and nearly everyone from the Lieutenants to the Captains to the Espada to the Sternritters (Including people like Lillie) all scale to a feat performed by Post Bankai training Shikai Ichigo. It's really annoying, but also kinda funny having around 70-80% of the verse scale to a single calc by someone at least hundreds of times weaker.
Just make Kaido "At least High 6-C (Stronger then Hody Jones)" ez
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The problem here is that there are literally several, I mean SEVERAL, feats that can be calculated for tiers and god tiers.
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I know
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cook.
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You preaching to the choir, unfortunately the people who need to listen are tone deaf
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*You're
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I* don't care
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DaMonkeMan
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If only Burger King wasn't dogshit.
This your goat?
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i mean that doesn't really mean much
they have more knowledge on Kaido's full strength than Queen does and so they know they stand 0 chance if they were to try to fight. Queen virtually stood 0 chance against Big Mom and would literally get his shit rocked if Big Mom actually tried
they have more knowledge on Kaido's full strength than Queen does and so they know they stand 0 chance if they were to try to fight. Queen virtually stood 0 chance against Big Mom and would literally get his shit rocked if Big Mom actually tried
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Queen also didn't want to fight Big Mom but became extremely angry because she was trying to take his food and basically went ballistic.
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Not trying to argue that Queen is comparable to Big Mom, only that He could fight her in base, while Big Mom's sweet commanders wouldn't do so. It is clear that the queen did not knock her down and was in pure fear when she got up, when she got her memories back.
Yeah, that too, forgot about that.
DaMonkeMan
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She couldn't use Haki or her DF there but she still slammed him
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@KingTempestDo you want me to help you post a thread requesting community help with properly calculating all of the major missing feats?
Bananossauro
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Wouldn't that cause some issue with Kat? Since like, the Zoro King fought is basically a blitz and one shot difference from the Luffy Kat fought considering the begning of Wano? Like, I can view this as a Crocodile situation and say they have been nerfed by plot (just for big mom crew, yall would need to enlight me on the doffy scaling since he has lower stats than dressrosa G4 luffy and has statements to be weaker than Big Man Cracker)
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It's never been my proposal to scale Kaido off of Hody Jones. But speaking frankly i think that certain characters upscaling from Dressrosa Zoro makes a tiny bit more sense than those characters being billions of times stronger than Dressrosa Zoro.
Stefano4444
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There its a reason why he its the emergency food of the crew.
This your goat?
Stefano4444
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Calling it a 'fight' is a big stretch, considering Queen was getting wiped by Big Mom while she had amnesia, wasn’t using her Devil Fruit, and possibly not even her Haki, just raw physical strength. He only managed to land a hit by attacking from above while she was distracted, and even then all he did was hurt her head slightly, which cured her amnesia and allowed her to regain her full power. That’s when Queen completely panicked, and even after Big Mom fell asleep he never stopped being terrified, chaining her with Seastone and rushing her to Onigashima until Kaido showed up.
And Queen wanting to fight Big Mom means very little. We’ve seen characters like Ulti, Franky, Jinbe, and Brook step up against her—does that suddenly mean they’re stronger than Katakuri? Big Mom still overpowered them with little effort. And let’s not forget the time Queen actually wanted to flee Onigashima while Kaido and Big Mom were fighting. If he were truly that strong, why wouldn’t he stay and wait to see the outcome instead of trying to run away?
Stefano4444
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That belief is entirely based on the idea that Post-Udon Base Luffy is superior to the Gear 4th Luffy who fought Katakuri at Whole Cake Island. This is something I’ve also come to no longer believe.
The story itself implies that during Luffy’s first fight against Kaido, he wasn’t using Future Sight. At that time, he was simply too angry—thinking his crew had died—to properly make use of it. Similar to how Katakuri, when enraged after his face was revealed, allowed Luffy to land hits on him.
On Onigashima, however, we actually see Base Luffy utilize Future Sight in the fight, which allowed him to partially dodge the same Thunder Bagua that had one-shotted him before. Kaido even complimented him for not being hit by the same attack again.
And Thunder Bagua isn't just any regular Haki attack, as Luffy did say that Kaido was using Advanced Conqueror Haki all this time, and there should be a guidebook that It confirm that he using it against Early Wano Gear 4th Luffy.
Also in terms of pure raw strength there’s little indication that Post Udon Base Luffy had got stronger than WCI Gear 4th. He had to rely on his Advanced Armament Haki to harm Kaido and survive is attacks (via Emission and Internal Destruction). Even the Anime, during the scene where Kaido performs his second Thunder Bagua, we see through Luffy’s Future Sight perspective—yet he still gets one-shotted just like before which again indicate that despite the training.
On Wano the only genuine power cliffing that did trully occurred for Luffy was after unlocking Advanced Conqueror Haki (and then Gear 5th to a less degree).
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No, it makes 0 sense literally. billion of times stronger than dressrosa zoro still makes sense even if you don't believe that's 100% accurate (the problem only being the gap/values and not the actual scaling)
you can't scale a character who is several times one shots level above you, their actual strength would just be unknown... Upscaling only works if you are somewhat still relative to that person's strength
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That's why we have "At least" qualifiers. If you're several one-shot levels about character X then you are "at least" stronger than Character X. You don't have to describe them as Unknown.
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Yes you do, "At least" only works if you're relative but still above...
The lowest of Kaido is still several times stronger than early wano Luffy's strongest form
Eminiteable
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Yeah, funnily enough, we scale all the Scabbards in their base forms to Dressrosa Zoro at his absolute strongest, despite the fact that we see them witness this same attack in shock, with Kin'emon (arguably one of the strongest among them) claiming he couldn’t believe his own eyes at the feat he had just witnessed.
This isn’t even inconsistent, since people are raising doubts about the supposed power creep. Back in early Wano, when Zoro had no real reason to experience significant growth in strength, he was already more than capable of holding his own against the Scabbards and even fought Killer.
This isn’t meant to call into question the Scabbards or Killer's scaling justifications, since looking over the profiles they seem fine. Rather, it’s the value they end up scaling from that doesn’t really make sense.
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Because of multipliers in the scaling chain the value on Kaidou's page would still end up several times higher than Zoro's rating anyway.
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B-but Hody vs Prime Whitebeard...
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Doesn't matter, as there's still no scaling that works between them to begin with
As it literally says, the At least rating is for someone's weakest to scale... Kaido's weakest is still way above, Meaning there's nothing to scale or upscale, making him unknown in strength
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That's not how that works on the wiki. Vegito's combat speed scales far, far above beginning of series Piccolo's speed in Dragon Ball - but we don't rate him as unknown, we give him a value based on a scaling chain + multipliers.
Kaidou would get a value based on a scaling chain + multipliers too.
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That is how the wiki works... It legit says it right there when At least rating are meant to be used
Idk much about Vegito but his rating isn't accurate then if he's many times blitz levels above said rating... He would first be scaled to Unknown and then possibly at least rating (if necessary)
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I must just have a different interpretation of what that means then. A couple years ago Kaidou previously scaled to Country level; so it's not a big deal anyway.
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Via whitebeard not via dressrosa Zoro, that wasn’t and isn’t a scaling problem from back then…
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Just found this wild Enel calc on the moon, it has not been evaluated, though.
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Lilybitdun/One_Piece:_Moon_Explosion_Alt_Methods
https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Lilybitdun/One_Piece:_Moon_Explosion_Alt_Methods
Lilybitdun
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Huh, I wonder who did that
Ghostimuscrime
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How funny would it be to loose EVERY tier 5 stuff and jump straight to tier 4
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Out of curiosity,is Enel's stuff still valid even if no one else scales to it?
(I wonder if you could get the Quake and Magma fruit to upscale from it).
(I wonder if you could get the Quake and Magma fruit to upscale from it).
