Revision: Clarifying the distinction between Mid-High and High-Mid Regeneration

[VYNxKryos]

Hello,


I would like to open a discussion on the consistency of regeneration levels, particularly between Mid-High and High-Mid, since the current distinction often causes confusion.


As of now:


- High-Mid: Regeneration after the destruction of organs or vital internal structures.
-Mid-High: Regeneration from vaporization, liquefaction, and similar forms of near-total physical erasure.

The issue is that the logic of classification can feel reversed:


- A being that regenerates from vaporization (being almost erased) seems more impressive than one that restores only organs.
- Yet in the current hierarchy, High-Mid is ranked “above” Mid-High.

This leads to confusion in debates and in character evaluations.


Proposed revision:
Explicitly clarify that Mid-High should be understood as regeneration against quantitative destruction (massive loss of matter), while High-Mid represents qualitative survival (restoration of vital internal systems).


Open question:
Do you think the definitions should be rewritten to more clearly reflect the difference between “quantitative” (mass erasure) and “qualitative” (organ restoration), in order to avoid contradictions in classification?


Thanks in advance for your input.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

This is not true?
It goes Low<Mid-Low<High-Low<Low-Mid<Mid<High-Mid (destruction of organs)<Low-High<Mid-High (regeneration from vap, liq or similar)<High<Low-Godly<Mid-Godly<High-Godly.
Unless I'm completely wrong in which case wtf lol, Mid-High is TWO LEVELS ABOVE High-Mid in terms of regenerative abilities.

 

[Zabazab]

Yeah you've misread the regeneration page, pack it up.

 

[Crobatman44]

Ah sniped,was also gonna post the Regen page plus the descriptions.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Just to make this a bit easier to understand, there are three modifiers which come first (Low, Mid, High) with four tiers of regeneration that comes second (Low, Mid, High and Godly). The fact that they both use similar terminology is a bit confusing, so if it's still difficult to visualize, you could replace it with - and +.

Instead of High-Mid or Mid-High, you can have Mid+ and High. That would make the chain look like this: Low-<Low<Low+<Mid-<Mid<Mid+ (destruction of organs)<High-<High (regeneration from vap, liq or similar)<High+<Godly-<Godly<Godly+.

Basically, organs is Mid+ and full biological regeneration is High. So for anyone who's still confused how regeneration is done, this may be easier to understand.
In addition, the most important part is not the first word, but the second. When you see a regeneration ability indexed, look for the second word which is the type of regeneration, then the first word which is the modifier.

Hope this helps!

 

[VYNxKryos]

Just to make this a bit easier to understand, there are three modifiers which come first (Low, Mid, High) with four tiers of regeneration that comes second (Low, Mid, High and Godly) with. The fact that they both use similar terminology is a bit confusing, so if it's still difficult to visualize, you could replace it with - and +.

Instead of High-Mid or Mid-High, you can have Mid+ and High. That would make the chain look like this: Low-<Low<Low+<Mid-<Mid<Mid+ (destruction of organs)<High-<High (regeneration from vap, liq or similar)<High+<Godly-<Godly<Godly+.

Basically, organs is Mid+ and full biological regeneration is High. So for anyone who's still confused how regeneration is done, this may be easier to understand.
In addition, the most important part is not the first word, but the second. When you see a regeneration ability indexed, look for the second word which is the type of regeneration, then the first word which is the modifier.

Hope this helps!

Hello,


I have to admit that I got a bit confused with the regeneration hierarchy, and the lack of clarity caused some misunderstanding on my part. After reviewing your explanations, it seems that the distinction between Mid-High and High-Mid, as well as the use of similar terms, can be confusing for many contributors and readers.


It would probably be wise for the staff to consider simplifying this hierarchy, for example by using a more visual system like + and -, to make it easier to understand and prevent misinterpretations in the future.


Thank you for your clarifications and for all the work on the wiki.

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Hello,


I have to admit that I got a bit confused with the regeneration hierarchy, and the lack of clarity caused some misunderstanding on my part. After reviewing your explanations, it seems that the distinction between Mid-High and High-Mid, as well as the use of similar terms, can be confusing for many contributors and readers.


It would probably be wise for the staff to consider simplifying this hierarchy, for example by using a more visual system like + and -, to make it easier to understand and prevent misinterpretations in the future.


Thank you for your clarifications and for all the work on the wiki.

Yeah, maybe. Whether or not they would want to replace to current modifiers with something like + or - is up to them, but I can at least understand the confusion regarding current tiers.

What it's supposed to mean (I think) for something like High-Mid is that it's a high level of mid/mediocre regeneration, while Mid-High is a mid/mediocre level of high regeneration. To be completely clear, someone with Mid-High regeneration should be capable of regenerating ANYTHING someone with High-Mid/Mid+ regeneration can regenerate, unless the specific ability says otherwise (which would be a case by case issue).

After my first post, I realized that it might still be a bit confusing so I made the second one with the + and -. I'm glad to see it was helpful.

 

[VYNxKryos]

Yeah, maybe. Whether or not they would want to replace to current modifiers with something like + or - is up to them, but I can at least understand the confusion regarding current tiers.

What it's supposed to mean (I think) for something like High-Mid is that it's a high level of mid/mediocre regeneration, while Mid-High is a mid/mediocre level of high regeneration. To be completely clear, someone with Mid-High regeneration should be capable of regenerating ANYTHING someone with High-Mid/Mid+ regeneration can regenerate, unless the specific ability says otherwise (which would be a case by case issue).

After my first post, I realized that it might still be a bit confusing so I made the second one with the + and -. I'm glad to see it was helpful.

Thanks for your detailed explanation, it really helped clarify things for me. I understand now the intended meaning behind High-Mid and Mid-High.

I’m glad the + and - system seems useful, and hopefully it can help make the hierarchy clearer for other contributors as well.

Do you think it would be worth suggesting this to the staff officially, or just leaving it as a clarification in the thread?

 

[DragoZeroNova]

Thanks for your detailed explanation, it really helped clarify things for me. I understand now the intended meaning behind High-Mid and Mid-High.

I’m glad the + and - system seems useful, and hopefully it can help make the hierarchy clearer for other contributors as well.

Do you think it would be worth suggesting this to the staff officially, or just leaving it as a clarification in the thread?

Honestly, feel free to do either. You could ask staff to make this into a staff-only thread and revise the OP with the + - system and/or the proposal for a new system to replace the modifier one if you want.

 

[Treeztarz]

Honestly, feel free to do either. You could ask staff to make this into a staff-only thread and revise the OP with the + - system and/or the proposal for a new system to replace the modifier one if you want.

i doubt it would pass since its a pretty simple naming scheme

 

[Qawsedf234]

It would probably be wise for the staff to consider simplifying this hierarchy, for example by using a more visual system like + and -, to make it easier to understand and prevent misinterpretations in the future.

For regen, the page is set up as "Prefix - Rating". With the prefix adjusting the rating.

So Mid-High is "Prefix: Mid - Rating: High" while High-Mid is "Prefix: High - Rating: Mid". The second word is what really matters, which is why all "Highs" or "Godly" will be higher than any "Low" or "Mid".

If anything, the ratings should be more like Low-Low or High-High rather than just leaving them without a prefix, but that's for another discussion.

I don't see the need of a staff thread, since once the terminology is understood, the rest falls in line.