XSOULOFCINDERX
They/Them- 26,478
- 12,381
It's literally in the cutscene leading into the first Monitor boss fight in Halo Infinite.
-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Halo General Discussion Thread
- Thread starter VersusJunkie54
- Start date
-
- Tags
- halo
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
He/Him- 5,382
- 1,149
Oh. I'm kind of a noob at very new Halo. Is that his Gen 2 or Gen 3 suit?
XSOULOFCINDERX
They/Them- 26,478
- 12,381
That's his most recent set of Mjolnir.
- 34,639
- 41,967
Getting stronger indeed, but all the way to 8-B melee has yet to be proven. Not to mention, most of the Sentinel Beam calculations range from 9-A to 8-C, with one particular being in the High 8-C to 8-B range but only low end was accepted for that one. And it was clearly one of those "Mostly heat not much overpressure."
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
He/Him- 5,382
- 1,149
Halo AP is so consistently 8-C that I feel the only way we'll remotely catch up to Doom is through hax and hax resistance.
- 34,639
- 41,967
Also that would be his Gen 3 suit yes.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
He/Him- 5,382
- 1,149
By the way, I'm also trying to get a lot of scans for already mentioned stuff added to MC's page, so if you have scans for him that aren't on the page, send them all my way.
XSOULOFCINDERX
They/Them- 26,478
- 12,381
He got blasted by the High 8-C one and just shrugged it off, his shields didn't even flicker from it unlike the Harbinger feat.
- 34,639
- 41,967
But as I said, that would be High 8-C via shields + against pure heat. But surviving pure heat =/= durability against overpressure + no evidence it something he withstands unshielded. Scene not showing a shield flicker doesn't mean it wasn't activated.
Speaking of which, the High 8-C example was the Ghost of Onyx laser, the rest of the Sentinel beams are more consistently 9-A to 8-C range.
XSOULOFCINDERX
They/Them- 26,478
- 12,381
I'm talking about when Guilty Spark vaporized a massive chunk of a Hunter, Chief survived a shot like that from another Monitor and it didn't even do anything to him.
- 34,639
- 41,967
Oh yeah, saw something about Hunter vaporization, but the pure heat =/= overpressure/blunt force trauma argument still stands.
XSOULOFCINDERX
They/Them- 26,478
- 12,381
Then why do the ratings on the damn energy weapon calcs even matter if they're basically all hax? Even then you're wrong because Guilty Spark's laser could send Chief and Arbiter flying while borderline one-shotting them through their shields, meanwhile the same attack barely makes Infinite Chief react more than just moving his arm to block it on instinct and he didn't even take any damage from it, let alone go flying like Guilty Spark did to him.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
He/Him- 5,382
- 1,149
Miranda Keyes got me acting strange
- 11,638
- 21,057
Outside, now.
- 34,639
- 41,967
Hold up there. I never said heat feats are hax; far from it. Hax is derived from "Hacks" and named after something used in hardcore gaming community for using glitches or cheat codes. But in the case of battle boarding, it's basically any ability to sneeze a fight that potentially can even do so against foes with much higher stats. Heat does not negate durability; quite the opposite. It's AP because it still involves Joules of energy, much like how environmental destruction is still AP even if it doesn't damage anyone or anything by default. But, unless there is UES stuff involved and/or proof that it has just as much overpressure as it does thermal energy, we not assume 1 to 1 scaling. Fragmentation explosions and nukes are 50/50 ish normally, but super heated lasers or combustion of flammable chemicals are mostly just thermal energy with little to no actual overpressure.
None of that proves anything of what you're saying. That only proves it has some limited overpressure, but there is no proof that the overpressure generated equals the thermal energy generated. In Halo 3, if you want to calculated the launch velocity of which it launched John, Thel Vadam', or Johnson, I doubt you'll calculate any results exceeding Wall level. A bucket of warm water contains 9-A amounts of thermal energy, but that doesn't mean splashing it and pushing some pebbles or sand particles equates to 9-A levels of overpressure. Though the opposite is true that a 9-A punch would typically generate at least as much amounts of thermal energy via friction. And yes, I am aware that going from Mark VI (Halo 2-3) to Gen 2 (Halo 4-5) and then to Gen 3 (Halo Infinite) are both upgrades to his strength, plating durability, and even better shielding. And I even said I was fine with up to City Block level energy shields against stronger projectiles. But shields are still known to have other notable weaknesses and are ways to bypass it with attacks below that level; especially with melee combat.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
He/Him- 5,382
- 1,149
Right now I'm trying to discern the toughest thing that Master Chief can oneshot with a hit to the back, since I'm going to push for a far higher rating for when Master Chief gun bashes/punches someone in the back.
Right now I believe the strongest thing he can oneshot like this is Cethegus.
Right now I believe the strongest thing he can oneshot like this is Cethegus.
XSOULOFCINDERX
They/Them- 26,478
- 12,381
That's a gameplay mechanic. The only thing that even vaguely supports that mechanic is the assassination feature they put in Reach, 4 and 5 where Spartans (and Elites in Reach) have combat knives that clearly upscale their physicals by a noticeable amount since it one-shots basically everything they use it on, including each other in Wargames which are canonically simulation training on the Infinity. Hell, as much of an outlier as it is Chief even used his to stab the Didact in the eye despite the massive stat gap between them and that was while he was wearing his helmet.
- 34,639
- 41,967
Yeah, the game is just punching almost anything in the back or getting punched in the back is treated like a OHKO. It makes sense scientifically speaking as back of the head is where the chip that enhances Spartan reflexes are concerned, but they aren't THAT vulnerable in canon. And especially if the same effect happens when punching them in the back of the foot.
Last edited:
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
He/Him- 5,382
- 1,149
There are things he can't oneshot in the back obviously, like Hunters or combat forms of the Flood.
XSOULOFCINDERX
They/Them- 26,478
- 12,381
Which again is gameplay mechanics stuff. The back punch is not an in-universe power, though the assassinations are so maybe you can argue a higher rating with those since those Combat Knives are unironically OP even when ignoring the Didact feat.
- 34,639
- 41,967
Using knives would also mainly be listed as higher via penetration.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
He/Him- 5,382
- 1,149
Gross.
- 1,255
- 866
Jokes aside, classic Halo sure could get as tense in the music as it could get awesome. I think that horror element was a major advantage over other space-marine shooters of the time. It's one thing to face a scary monster, but it's another when the presentation is this potently atmospheric.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
He/Him- 5,382
- 1,149
Would it be physically possible to upgrade the Spartan Laser? Is there anything it cannot destroy?
XSOULOFCINDERX
They/Them- 26,478
- 12,381
It couldn't one-shot Guilty Spark so we know it has a limit.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
He/Him- 5,382
- 1,149
Why does all the OP stuff in Halo get destroyed and never scale to any of the characters
- 34,639
- 41,967
Halo tries to be down to earth compared to other Science Fiction verses while limiting science fantasy stuff as much as possible. They're attempting to portray the setting of what a RL 26th century would probably be more like. Even most of Halo's lore tends to message "Science over superstition" which is shown throughout almost every war. Human-Covenant War and Human-Forerunner War are literally wars consisting of a war between evolutionists (Humans) and creationists (Covenant and Forerunner respectively)
While not entirely overboard and not as weak as Call of Duty or Battlefield cast; superhuman Spartans exist (Almost most argue cybernetics/power armor do heavy lifting), Aliens with superhuman strength exist (Though obviously not Superman level + no unassisted flying or shooting energy blasts from bodies), interstellar plagues (The Flood) exists, and uses hypothetical scientific studies such as cryogentics and Hyperspace. But there's no such thing as FTL through sheer flight/KE which in universe basically confirms that's impossible, no confirmed cases of deep back in time travel, and every in universe organism still has some vulnerability/mortality level of one well placed bullet or blade in their vitals causes death.
Last edited:
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
He/Him- 5,382
- 1,149
Never have I met a more annoying and uptight fanbase than I have when I’ve debated Doom fans.
XSOULOFCINDERX
They/Them- 26,478
- 12,381
Clearly you've never debated with the Undertale fanbase five years ago.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
He/Him- 5,382
- 1,149
I was IN it and they weren't that bad. The downplayers were worse.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
He/Him- 5,382
- 1,149
I'm making GREAT progress on the Master Chief CRT! Is there anything anyone wants to add to it?
XSOULOFCINDERX
They/Them- 26,478
- 12,381
Are those calcs I sent you in it? I'd really like to add the Mjolnir Self-Destruct to every Spartan profile that has Mjolnir armor so it can be a side section for your CRT.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
He/Him- 5,382
- 1,149
The ones that pertain to Master Chief and are better than the stats he already has, yeah.
XSOULOFCINDERX
They/Them- 26,478
- 12,381
Cool, cool. We're gonna have to mention all the cross-scaling too so anyone who scales to Chief (and Arby since he's equal to Chief in every metric up until Halo 5) should be getting these updates too.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
He/Him- 5,382
- 1,149
To be honest, Arbiter needs a CRT just as badly. And shouldn’t it be 4, since that’s when he gets the GEN 2?
XSOULOFCINDERX
They/Them- 26,478
- 12,381
I no, he gets Gen 2 in 5. His armor in 4 is the exact same armor he had in 2 and 3, just with some minor updates via nanobots. It's never implied that his armor in 4 is noticeably superior to himself from the previous two games.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
He/Him- 5,382
- 1,149
Huh. Mandela Effect, I could've sworn he got GEN 2 in 4. Kinda sucks that his profile is segregated that far by suits, though.
XSOULOFCINDERX
They/Them- 26,478
- 12,381
Well Chief himself without armor doesn't get any stronger than he did when he first started wearing it aside from the extra strength he got from becoming an adult. The only buff Armorless Chief got was the Librarian editing his genetics to resist the Composer.
Super_Ascended_Sean_Pazdera
He/Him- 5,382
- 1,149
I heard somewhere that that also improved his physicals, so by how much would be a good thing to find. The Mark VI is worn for 3 different games where Master Chief is at heavily varying power, for example melee attacks basically don't work on the Flood even from the back in 2, but in 3 he can literally punch them apart.
XSOULOFCINDERX
They/Them- 26,478
- 12,381
He literally does not get stronger from 2 to 3 with maybe a slight boost from the updates he gets in 4. Anyone who says otherwise has no idea what they're talking about because the Flood have insanely inconsistent durability.
