Establishing Elements/Layers in Extra's Death | New Verse addition

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

No matter how much times you multiply an ability's potency, it doesn’t make for a layer. Not even aleph infinite multipliers are enough

I mean you're just wrong here, especially when potency and layers are taken to be two entirely different forms of "better hax" that can be argued to interact the same with each other. I've even sourced my claim with DT saying that layers arent necessarily better than potency and that layers arent the end all be all. So I'm gonna ask you to stop with this since it's derailing.

 

[ItsMeat]

What's the difference between layers and potency?

Layers are qualitatively superior to anything lower, potency simply is how powerfull an ability is.

Let's say I have fate manip and you have fate manip resistance. If I simply bypass your resistance, I have 1 layer of fate manip. But if I, let's say, double the potency of my fate manip and only then I am able to bypass your resistance, it only means you had limited resistance. Multipliers don't make for layers

 

[ItsMeat]

I mean you're just wrong here, especially when potency and layers are taken to be two entirely different forms of "better hax" that can be argued to interact the same with each other.

Potency is measured trough various means such as the amount of people affected, the range and the effects. Layering is measured trough bypassing resistance. They are absolutely different

I've even sourced my claim with DT saying that layers arent necessarily better than potency and that layers arent the end all be all.

Don't see where(I also didn't read the comments, just the op and the blog, but at least while talking to me you didn't bring any source)

So I'm gonna ask you to stop with this since it's derailing.

I am just stating my opinion about the proposal

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Infinite potency, but there's layers above infinite potency. Infinite potency also would technically bypass an arbitrary finite amount of normal layers since potency isn't inherently inferior or superior to layers.

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[ItsMeat]

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Appeal to authority

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Ice stuff is part of the Water element iirc, and here is one of the feats where a Water Element produced Ice (and also another feat where they froze opponent but I can't find it for the life of me)

Got to include that on the page.

Mostly because it is the 2nd strongest element in combat, since it can enter Elemental Clash with majority of elements. Here is what Elemental Clash is. Granted I can't find the scan of it being the 2nd strongest, but I can remove it if that's needed. Though we do have showcase of the Fire element later on (albeit higher ranked) being able to burn attacks and stuff.

That's not power nullification, it's Type Advantage.

We haven't been shown much about the wind Element, but here is one of the feats (casual one not meant for attack, iirc).
As for Metal Element, here is one of the feats where they can conjure liquid metal and turn it into weapons, among other things.

Got to include these on the page.

Life Manip page states that one of the uses of it is healing and other stuff, which the Life Element is mostly used for at the beginning. I believe it still qualifies since it is using the Life Element (Concept of Life) to do these shenanigans, ie increase the Life Elementals and stuff.

It still needs a direct scan, though. Otherwise, there is no point in it being there if all its uses can be covered by other abilities.

The Madness one was supposed to be for Darkness, my bad. As for memory, there are a few, such as this, and this. There are more but they are mostly about seeing memories, digesting/devouring them, etc...

Gotcha, just fix that and add the memory stuff to the page.

MGQ already provided one of the scans above.

That's fine then, just make sure to add it to the page.

There are quite a bit, such as using the Space Elementals to open up portals in space, and a direct statement of being able to manipulate space (and other characters could "kill"/destroy space, albeit they used different elements)

Got to include that on the page.

There is this one about fateweavers with direct statement of being able to manipulate fate to some extent. Those with fate affinity can affect the threads of fate (be it fortune, death. life, space, etc...), and it's a bit weird, but here are three scans showing one of the cases: This, this, and this.

Got to include that on the page.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Appeal to authority

welcome to vsbw

 

[ItsMeat]

welcome to vsbw

No

 

[Rikimarox2]

Snip

Added all the scans and justification, and removed Power Null for Fire Element, and Life Manip for Life Element.

I believe that should be about it?

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

Added all the scans and justification, and removed Power Null for Fire Element, and Life Manip for Life Element.

I believe that should be about it?

Yeah

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Yeah

could you ping vietthai with your reply about layers and stuff? I don't think they gave their vote on that yet.

 

[Vietthai96]

If Spaceman is fine with Layers , then i'm fine with it too, though the potency vs layer still puzzling me

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

If Spaceman is fine with Layers , then i'm fine with it too, though the potency vs layer still puzzling me

Pretty much how I feel.

 

[Rikimarox2]

The CRT has been pretty much accepted. Thanks everyone for the input!

I believe this can be closed, then.